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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
At the moment I feel one us is enough, otl with rice sock between shaft and leg and penis twisted so you use the device head on the ventral side so it’s reaching the cord on the dorsal side. This seems to give a better heat and faster for me personally.

When using a fulcrum I find irl superior for this. The shaft is spread so thin across the fulcrum I feel the irl penatrates realy well.

Which US device you have?
I have a US Pro 2000 second edition and I am finding very easy to reach 40-41 degrees steady with just one transducer and no rice sock. I do use an IRL over to heat the environment but not specifically to heat the tissues.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by igigi
Which US device you have?
I have a US Pro 2000 second edition and I am finding very easy to reach 40-41 degrees steady with just one transducer and no rice sock. I do use an IRL over to heat the environment but not specifically to heat the tissues.

I have the same device. Regarding otl, For some reason I can heat the base of my penis very quickly without the sock but with the sock my entire exposed shaft heats very quickly, it’s also acts as a fulcrum and have the feeling that’s what’s causing the rapid heating too.

Regarding straight down fulcrum hanging, I use a metal pole or wooden rolling pin and find my shaft spreads extremely thin and the irl heats the tissue very fast using it this way.

At the moment I feel like I have perfected my routine after many attempts.

fulcrum hang (vac) for 60mins with 2kg (irl heating for about 30mins)
Otl hang (bib) for 20mins, for 1-3 sets. I heat with us for first 10mins then cool for 10mins

My conditioning hang is not pure stress relaxtion as practiced here but I get the biggest strain this way and feel this is causing stress relaxtion.

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
I have the same device. Regarding otl, For some reason I can heat the base of my penis very quickly without the sock but with the sock my entire exposed shaft heats very quickly, it’s also acts as a fulcrum and have the feeling that’s what’s causing the rapid heating too.

Regarding straight down fulcrum hanging, I use a metal pole or wooden rolling pin and find my shaft spreads extremely thin and the irl heats the tissue very fast using it this way.

At the moment I feel like I have perfected my routine after many attempts.

fulcrum hang (vac) for 60mins with 2kg (irl heating for about 30mins)
Otl hang (bib) for 20mins, for 1-3 sets. I heat with us for first 10mins then cool for 10mins

My conditioning hang is not pure stress relaxtion as practiced here but I get the biggest strain this way and feel this is causing stress relaxtion.

What are your stats?
I ask because within all these scientific data we still have in the air the question of how these variations in protocol affect different sizes. As I have spoken with other members before, for example a penis that is BPFSL 14cm and EG 4.1, will be affected by this therapy in a different way compared to a penis that is BPFSL 23cm and EG 16.5cm applying the same therapy. So in this process we are still playing with many variations that work better for each one of us. Eventually the ideal scenario would be to have a table with variations catalogued to each range of size.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
In physical therapy the expected temperature raise applies to area of 2-3 times the ERA of the transducer.

With penis it is similar as well. Treating larger areas you need to put lot more time on it.

Also you need to understand that it is not dead solid you are heating. It is temperature regulated living body part which by the nature is finely designed cooler. At about 10 minutes in the cooling kicks in with accelerated blood flow.

In this thread you find plenty of answers to your questions in detailed fashion.
Especially the temperature graphs, you should look in to those.

Hey Kyrpa,

I’m about to buy this device: US Pro 2000 2nd Edition:
https://www.tenspros.com/us-pro-200…und-du3035.html

This is the right one ? Correct me if I’m wrong. I am buying this one now and the next month I am buying the 2nd US device to be able to better heat the shaft.

I don’t understand clearly what you mean with “phantom medium” at the backside of your dick shaft. Do you mean the other side of the dick shaft? Not the top side ?

And when you hang straight out or straight up, one can measure dick skin temperature with a
Thermometer right ? And that temperature is the same as the internal temperature correct ?

I am planning on applying ultrasound heat while hanging light weights with my Sili Stretcher. It has a silicone sleeve that covers the glans and a bit of the shaft.. Is this a problem? Like can I just apply gel on it and heat it like normal dick shaft ?


Last edited by DutchAthletic92 : 08-11-2020 at .

Originally Posted by igigi
Which US device you have?
I have a US Pro 2000 second edition and I am finding very easy to reach 40-41 degrees steady with just one transducer and no rice sock. I do use an IRL over to heat the environment but not specifically to heat the tissues.

Did you bought this one:

https://www.tenspros.com/us-pro-200…und-du3035.html

How do you measure your dick temperature? Just with a digital thermometer placing it on the dickshaft skin? That way we know that the internal temperatures are about the same temperature as the skin temperature right ? Correct me if I’m wrong.

Also do you do hanging ? Or manual exercises ? What is your current routine?

I plan on doing ultrasound heating with Silistretcher hanging on low weights (6-8 kg)

Originally Posted by DutchAthletic92
Did you bought this one:

https://www.tenspros.com/us-pro-200…und-du3035.html

How do you measure your dick temperature? Just with a digital thermometer placing it on the dickshaft skin? That way we know that the internal temperatures are about the same temperature as the skin temperature right ? Correct me if I’m wrong.

Also do you do hanging ? Or manual exercises ? What is your current routine?

I plan on doing ultrasound heating with Silistretcher hanging on low weights (6-8 kg)

Hey Dutch, I can answer for Igigi, he uses a digital and places it inbetween the shaft and his leg. He has his own thread detailing his log

Originally Posted by DutchAthletic92
Did you bought this one:

https://www.tenspros.com/us-pro-200…und-du3035.html

How do you measure your dick temperature? Just with a digital thermometer placing it on the dickshaft skin? That way we know that the internal temperatures are about the same temperature as the skin temperature right ? Correct me if I’m wrong.

Also do you do hanging ? Or manual exercises ? What is your current routine?

I plan on doing ultrasound heating with Silistretcher hanging on low weights (6-8 kg)

Before you start on US I recommend you to read the complete Kyrpa’s thread and Manko’s thread. There is an incredible amount of science involved that you need to know in order to manipulate the tissues the correct way. This is not a matter of having a routine and throwing in between some US. That is internet bro science. This US therapy has been approached in a complete scientific way based on existing literature to provide the best results.

To answer your questions:

- Yes thats the device I have,

- No, I place the thermometer between leg and shaft tight against the septum to measure septum temperature. I do not care about other structures temperatures, I am only concerned about Septum temperature.

- Currently no, no other exercises besides the US therapy.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by igigi
Before you start on US I recommend you to read the complete Kyrpa’s thread and Manko’s thread. There is an incredible amount of science involved that you need to know in order to manipulate the tissues the correct way. This is not a matter of having a routine and throwing in between some US. That is internet bro science. This US therapy has been approached in a complete scientific way based on existing literature to provide the best results.

To answer your questions:

- Yes that’s the device I have,

- No, I place the thermometer between leg and shaft tight against the septum to measure septum temperature. I do not care about other structures temperatures, I am only concerned about Septum temperature.

- Currently no, no other exercises besides the US therapy.

Thank you for your answers. Why are you only applying US heat and not doing any exercises? Or am I mistaken? Correct me if I’m wrong but what are the benefits of heating your dick without any exercises ? No length exercises? Are you just practicing applying the US heat ?

I am going to read kyrpa’s and manko’s logs. I have read this one so that’s a start.

Originally Posted by DutchAthletic92
Thank you for your answers. Why are you only applying US heat and not doing any exercises? Or am I mistaken? Correct me if I’m wrong but what are the benefits of heating your dick without any exercises ? No length exercises? Are you just practicing applying the US heat ?

I am going to read kyrpa’s and manko’s logs. I have read this one so that’s a start.

Because remember that when you apply the US, the penis is under tension the whole time, after being under stress relaxation for a fixed amount of time. That’s the protocol. If that protocol yield positive results, there is absolutely no need to add more stress to the tissues. Why? Because that could potentially create inflammation, and inflammation over time toughen the tissues even more.

In this approach less is more. It is like dealing with a prescription drug. The objective is to find the lowest possible effective dosage. In this case is the same. You find the lowest amount of stress in the tissues, yet providing positive results. If the protocol alone does not provide positive results, then you play with variables such as more time for stress relaxation, less tension, more time under US, or more tension, etc. THEN after that you consider adding manual exercises or other kind.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by igigi
Because remember that when you apply the US, the penis is under tension the whole time, after being under stress relaxation for a fixed amount of time. That’s the protocol. If that protocol yield positive results, there is absolutely no need to add more stress to the tissues. Why? Because that could potentially create inflammation, and inflammation over time toughen the tissues even more.

In this approach less is more. It is like dealing with a prescription drug. The objective is to find the lowest possible effective dosage. In this case is the same. You find the lowest amount of stress in the tissues, yet providing positive results. If the protocol alone does not provide positive results, then you play with variables such as more time for stress relaxation, less tension, more time under US, or more tension, etc. THEN after that you consider adding manual exercises or other kind.

I understand. Thank you for your explanation. What do you think about taking vitamin C 1000mg per day and a collagen protein supplement? For connective tissues, joints etc to heal faster or better? Or would it only lead to more extra collagenous tissue build up on top of the tunica? Like extra tissue which means it gets even harder to lengthen the tunica?

Any thoughts about this?

Originally Posted by DutchAthletic92
I understand. Thank you for your explanation. What do you think about taking vitamin C 1000mg per day and a collagen protein supplement? For connective tissues, joints etc to heal faster or better? Or would it only lead to more extra collagenous tissue build up on top of the tunica? Like extra tissue which means it gets even harder to lengthen the tunica?

Any thoughts about this?

Check yourself. Too much Vitamin C is estrogenic. I didn’t know, but I was holding fluid and having hot flashes, and looked it up… Removed the excess Vitamin C and the estrogenic sides subsided.

Originally Posted by DutchAthletic92
I understand. Thank you for your explanation. What do you think about taking vitamin C 1000mg per day and a collagen protein supplement? For connective tissues, joints etc to heal faster or better? Or would it only lead to more extra collagenous tissue build up on top of the tunica? Like extra tissue which means it gets even harder to lengthen the tunica?

Any thoughts about this?

That is a whole different topic in which I dont get involved anymore. I do not take one vitamin for this or one mineral fo that, that goes against science. I follow the advice of Naturopathic Doctors whom are the experts in nutritional science and supplement myself with all the 90 essential nutrients plus diet every day of my life in order to prevent chronic symptoms and diseases. I am very big on health, medicine, and I completely reject and disagree with prescription drugs and mainstream medicine.

So with that being said, will taking loads of vitamin C alone plus collagen work? short answer NO. Reason is, all vitamins and minerals work synergistically with each there. And while one vitamin ro one mineral might be able to force some biochemical pathways, the lack of other nutrients might cause some sort of imbalance in overall health.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by igigi
That is a whole different topic in which I don’t get involved anymore. I do not take one vitamin for this or one mineral fo that, that goes against science. I follow the advice of Naturopathic Doctors whom are the experts in nutritional science and supplement myself with all the 90 essential nutrients plus diet every day of my life in order to prevent chronic symptoms and diseases. I am very big on health, medicine, and I completely reject and disagree with prescription drugs and mainstream medicine.

So with that being said, will taking loads of vitamin C alone plus collagen work? Short answer NO. Reason is, all vitamins and minerals work synergistically with each there. And while one vitamin ro one mineral might be able to force some biochemical pathways, the lack of other nutrients might cause some sort of imbalance in overall health.

I don’t want to go off topic here but a quick question:

Which Naturopathic Doctors are you following? Do you have a website for that information where I can also find the 90 essential nutrients and diet or is it easy to find in google ?
Like I found this link: https://venngage.net/p/56633/what-a…ntial-nutrients about the essential nutrients.. Is this okay ? Or do you have other nutrients that you use?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I would advice you to have more rest days between. Using ultrasound based practices three day a row is rather lot expose. Also it would be safer to cut the treatment time to half.
I would also suggest you to concentrate in one thing at time. Take a time frame of 8 weeks for example and divide it in two. First part for the stretching and hanging for the elongation and the latter part for the volumetric expansion and inducing growth responses with clamping. Then you take a extended resting period aka decon break.
It takes a lot of focus to run these protocols in productive way. But there will be results.

So this is something I’ve been wondering about for a while now - regarding the number of days on or off vs how much we can usefully stress cartilaginous tissues. I don’t know if any of you remember Xeno’s take on this (xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale) where he talked of ligament type tissues being able to telescope compared to soft tissues of the CS/CC which need rest to proliferate/grow? From what I can make out, after his soft tissue expansion cycles (which were high intensity ones done with devices like the Tiger Trap), he went into proliferation and rest phases that lasted months before the next expansion phase. But …during these rest phases he still continued with a daily routine of a short sharp set of BB / Sumo stretches (= high intensity stretches which targeted the base suspensory ligament) followed by his Cock Coil ADS system for 8 hours a day (so 1kg max)…. and it seems that his penis responded well to this system during the rest phase.

I guess what I’m wondering is what would be the disadvantage of doing a similar thing but using US? Why do we need to take days off if we mainly target tissues that may not need as much rest? I think in my mind I’m still trying to understand how the different parts of the penis grow under different stresses, and maybe it’s not as simple as just saying that ligaments do this and soft tissues do that, because with US you end up stretching everything together….


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
ULTRASOUND HEATING IN PE WITH EXTERNAL TEMPERATURE MONITORING
ABSTRACT
This test series is continuation for the earlier tests with urethral temperature probe.
The temperature management has raised a lot of open questions, whether or not, the external temperature should correlate with the urethral temperature.
This series of tests was run to evaluate the urethral temperature development the heating sessions being steered by monitoring the external temperature.

Superb work Kyrpa! I think I’m going to get a thermometer and check my own temperatures, might try to add in an IR lamp as well.


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

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