Finding xeno: a penis tale

Xeno, just to add to your thoughts..

You do not seem to be like a “metal guy” but a not too popular metal band I know called “Forevermore” released an album called “Integral” which is all about Spiral Dynamics(stages of human mind development), where each track represents one stage, from a primitive mind to the most developed one.

I read your thoughts and remembered of it, It goes like the “Alpha and Omega” stages of the human mind, with the Alpha being “reproduction/survival” - the first track of the album “Nascent”, and the Omega being the “Exploration/Journey” - the last track “Integral”

Some lines from the last track “Integral” - “The journey never ends, Unless you stop seeking, Never stop searching” and the breakdown goes like “”The very moment you stop asking “What else could be made of this life?”
You’re already dead”“

Hehe.cheers!

I laughed out loud :) …pretty much the opposite of a “metal guy”. But that’s illustrative of the nature of truth; it applies irrespective of conditions.

Gonna need to take a little time to reply to your protocol questions…but I will…can tell you now though that your IR light setup looks just like mine…and that the chair is from one which the Force runs strong in…

xeno

So maybe you can tell me some of your music preferences, what genre it is? Hehe

Idk if I got what you mean(not native English), but what I understood about spiral dynamics is that no matter what stage manifest the most in you now, all stages had/has presence in you, some stages were more stronger on certain periods/conditions of your life.. And the most developed mind state is the one we talked about, the explorative mind, always seeking, always searching.. :)

Anyway, you’re some serious smart guy, I did not had that perspective on this theory/album, before read your thoughts, and then “snap” suddenly everything made more sense and I change my philosophical perspective on life itself =OOO

Take all the time you want, oh, the big dick guru

I build the lamp I think 2 months ago, and saw a picture of you doing pumping, saw a red light coming from under what seemed to be a desk and in that moment I knew I was on the right track with the idea ;)

I also fixed a piece of wood under the desk, and tied the lamp support with a electric cable to it, so that way I can push the lamp back and forth(attach photo) ..
Obs.: that little black piece closer to the camera(fixed with a white pin) is the lamp light switch

That chair is really good, strong and comfortable..
The only thing I would look forward to is to have another chair with high/down adjustment, and I would have one more variable to use when wanted - to put the IR lamp heat right on where I want it to be - and leave this one to use when I wanted to hang S.D within the hole - anyway I think it is not on the top of my priority list now.

Bad word; and untrue; let’s not use it.

xeno

Legend is a good word. Like legendary DIY skills. Every hanger in the history of PE has imagined that chair. And the sliding IR lamp is brilliant as well. Good gains to you bigzin!

You will find DIY gold buried throughout these forums.

Ok, Master! (A person who is very skilled in a particular job or activity:)

I used the word as someone who has a vast knowledge about a specific topic, I did not take in account the literal meaning of the word.
But as I know you like some philosophical reflections, I read recently a line that helped me deal with some situations:
“Words are just words, it’s the intention behind the words that matters”

Sure, I think Legend do some justice to his accomplishments and collaborations

Haha, that’s funny I thought that was already done and proved somewhere on this forum.. The sliding lamp work so fine, I can push it back sooo easily if it’s getting too hot. Using the IR heat on hanging or extending sets, what’s in your opinion is the best option?

A. Use heat through the whole set - leave the heat for 5 minutes while resting - Restart
B. Use heat middle of the set and turn off the other half - leave the heat for 5 minutes while resting - Restart
C. Use heat middle of the set and turn off the other half - rest for 5 minutes - Restart

Everyone has imagined it, few have built it.

If you read through this entire thread, you will find some very worthwhile DIY projects for hanging.

Heat throughout, or half and half, either is fine. Turn the lamp off when it feels too hot, and your testes are safe.

bz, I agree that ADS alone is not productive; in fact, it may be counter-productive, as when not implementing I-Phase or P-Phase work, we should be implementing R-Phase not work. And without an I-Phase, there can be no P-Phase. Having stated that, your Cock Coils ADS presents stress to ligaments primarily…which are connective, cartilaginous tissues that don’t conform to the IPR tissue remodeling hypothesis as well as do the soft tissues of the CS and CC…ligaments can “telescope” under longitudinal stress in a way that Bib described long ago. Soft tissues can’t do that; they need rest during which cellular differentiation and proliferation can take place.

So…translation: your soft tissues are probably well enough rested by your CC only use that you could initiate a new gains campaign any time.

I need to correct you regarding my soft tissue gains; I’ve had good soft tissue gains. The easiest gains, both length and girth, have been since utilizing a “toothed” compression devices; the Tiger Trap and the Tunica Tenderizer, with the former being much more effective for length gains and the latter being outstanding for girth gains. The cool thing about the Tiger Trap is that as the device is tightened, it stretches the impinged upon tissues over a set of fulcrums on both sides of the device, effectively “discetizing” the shaft into segments that each get stretched. For those that have read the strain ellipse mechanics thread, you already know that, at least hypothetically, that impingement alone imposes radial deformation, from which girth gains come.

So, some good ligament stretches with some good soft tissue work and well applied ADS work…

Here’s a brief protocol outline:

1 day on/2-3 days off for 2-3 weeks; then wear CC for the first 2-3 weeks of a 2-3 month rest period
after warm up and all under IR lamp:
-clamped stretches and squeezes (force applied gently but progressively with the goal of achieving a state of “limberness”).
-seconds to minutes of Tiger Trap compressions (force applied gently but progressively with the goal of achieving strain…it feels like the “fatigue” of hanging but more intense)
-seconds to minutes of PEFF Pumping (high vacuum/short duration)
-repeat above for one or two more sets with the goal of increasing applied work (= force x time)
-clamped edging
-wear CC as much as you’re comfortable with between I-Phase sessions
-Oh, and a very important part: Bucking Bronco stretches and Sumo stretches as often as you can…remember, ligaments don’t need the rest that soft tissue does. At least do them on I-Phase work days.

Anyhoo, that’s the sanest approach to PE gains that I’m aware of as based on my experience.

And I second BD’s comments regarding your chair…and your testes :)

Cheers! And Good Luck!

xeno

Heck of a protocol. I was looking at that lamp set up and saw this post (definitely intrigued) and I’ll have to read the entirety of this thread when I’m at my computer.

While I’m no fan of compression, I’ve seen stalled length gains for quite some time and you seem to have a detailed system in this thread (Heavens knows you’ve been at this longer than me) that is definitely worth looking at. I’ll see if I can learn something from your techniques I can implement.

I definitely appreciate your attention to detail I’ve seen here, and in other posts of yours.

Xeno, I have already read this protocol of yours maybe at least 3 times, but is good to reinforce it again, even more having it said towards on me, thank you for having the patience and time to write it again.

Since I’ve been looking forward to this protocol some months ago I couldn’t find some nice guideline for B.B. and S.S.(I know I must buy a “axe handle” kinda of wood)… if you have the time to informe me more…

Also, I will revive some posts of you about the build of the TTr and TT, looking forward to that, also I have the cylinders and ribbon stoppers on my cart to do build your PEFF Pumping device.

I think that this is my “priority list” before I start a routine for real, also having your protocol in mind

Regarding the CC as ADS, as I told you some months ago when I build 4 CC, maybe I did not thought clear before entering on this project, because “CC’s is not for one that sits alot”… as you said to me… and I pass at least 8 hours of my day sitting on a chair…so my ads system is a Phalosan Forte, that push the dick by the glans using vacuum and have a comfort ring that goes with the base of the penis, that acts like a counterforce on the oposite direction.

About this principle, I wanted to give you some insight even about your new approach on more TIME, less FORCE… do you thought about incorporating extender sets under IR heat? Why I’m saying that, as I came to a conclusion(maybe I’m wrong, I’m not a physicist), but the extender do the pressure 1/2 on the glans and 1/2 on the pubic area(with some variation depending on the position)…

Let’s say I’m doing vacuum hanging with 5 lbs, and my set goes to 25 min, before I start to feel too much discomfort and need to take it off…
Using the extender with the same 5lbs, traction force(same cylinder,cup,comfort attachment as before), I’ll probably will be able to reach 50 min before start feeling the same discomfort I felt on the glans, because the pressure is divided between pelvic area, and the glans.

I would like to know your opinion about this, what I know is that the extender use under the IR heat can be very good, IR heat helps soften pubic area, and you able to reach long set durations, 50min~1:30hours, of course depending on the traction level used.(I do not like to let the heat on the glans as seems to accelerate the process of discomfort, sometimes)

Maybe this article I found may help. The book it comes from seems to be current .

I can’t copy the text but it states that "low force, long duration stretching at higher temperatures favours permanent plastic deformation."

If that’s correct, then what I assume what you had practiced early on with the ADS in the hot tub was working until you ran out of rod.

It also stated that "the mechanism of a combined application of temperature and load affected the viscous flow properties of collagen."

That could explain why some don’t see gains if they are not using heat.

The article also states that "higher force, short-duration stretching at normal or lower temperatures favours recoverable elastic deformation."

Which in turn could explain why some see gains temporarily and then lose them.

I don’t know if its true or not but these are some educated guesses I’m making and I’m going to test this infrared hanging out and see what happens. I got nothing to lose right? If it works my dick gets bigger, if it doesn’t it stays the same size. Hehe

I think the hardest thing is finding a way to keep a consistent therapeutic temperature (39 degrees-45 degrees C) through out the shaft while stretching the skin of the penis at the same time.

For the infrared hanging:

I did manage to purchase an at home venture infrared heating wrist wrap on ebay for around $60 which runs at around 110 degrees on the yellow setting to test this theory out.
I wrap that around my flaccid penis while hanging about 3.5lbs with the esl40 hanger cup.

I will let you know the results, since this ADS discussion has perked my interest.

I do have to say though, I have to sit at my desk for this. And it is very time consuming and leaves me immoblile to do things around the house.

Anyways ill let you guys analyze and overthink this as much as I’ve been doing.

Here is the link for article reference.

A Practical Approach to Musculoskeletal Medicine: Assessment, Diagnosis … - Elaine Atkins, Jill Kerr, Emily Goodlad - Google Books

I’m also looking at this approach on PE, I know this is not knew, this has already been said before along hundreds of posts on this forum, but, maybe we can start a thread to document our experiences,(about the routine we’re using, with photos and such)

I can suggest you about the heat, that if you build a IR lamp setup similar to mine, you can archive super high temperatures and still being comfortable, I also have a IR therapeutic wristband like yours, and the IR lamp is just another level, I can assure you

About what you said about “trying to hard on ads”, using too much force on normal temperatures, leave me wondering that we need to build a routine where the real training is done under the IR lamp, and if you going to use an ADS after, you must do it GENTLE, LOW FORCE, or it can turn into COUNTERPRODUCTIVE exercise.

Also, I was already looking forward to silicon cups and some other cylinder shapes to go better with my extender(at the moment I use monkeybar cylinder), I will give ESL hanging cup a try.

The thread sounds like a good idea.

I will look into building a lamp set up. My original intent for the heating wrap was because running an extra bath everyday costs a bit more monthly and the water temperature fades over time.. So I would have to add more water to bring the heat back up. I would also occasionally have the esl 40 cup slip out of the extender in the water. Their was a lot of frustration trying to achieve what I wanted. I found the infrared wrap and hanging to be alot simpler and less demanding on my body. Sitting in 110 degrees for extended periods of time is dehydrating; where this hanging is simple, easy and convenient.

I also thought of the idea of taking Xenolith’s Cock Coil and merging it with a rechargeable venture infrared elbow wrap. The elbow wrap is longer then the wrist wrap I use. The venture heat items are expensive though but the idea of a rechargeable heat source coiled by Xenolith’s original creation could be a great mobile infrared heated ADS device.

I understand about the trying to hard. Teaching myself to slow down in PE at times is another thing, versus wanting everything now.

I think you will enjoy the esl 40 cup, I did. It was a cheaper idea then scraping the jes xtender out of frustration and looking into something like a penimaster just for the head piece.

Session 1 of new campaign went well; used the protocol referenced in post #579; 2 sets. Took it fairly slow and easy. Gains from last campaign have remained.

By the way, “clamped edging” is meant to connote not ejaculating.

xeno