Finding xeno: a penis tale

This may have meaning for only Bearded Dragon, as as far as I know, he’s the only other Seminal Kung Fu practitioner on the Forum; clamped edging really means cycling chi through the Microcosmic Orbit…tapping off the jing energy and dispersing it as chi through the body. Depending on how I’m feeling, I sometimes indulge in a Crown Center Orgasm/Awareness.

xeno

Aspiring SKF practitioner anyway, and I’m sure there are others lurking. Recently I have tried the KSMO method and found it good for dispersing jing.

Illustrates the truth that utility is in the mind of the beholder; I found it useless.

Whatever works to facilitate that dispersal is…well…what works. Glad you have a mechanism.

xeno

What’s the ESL hanging cup size you use? does it fit nice for you? whats your girth?(on esl40 website they ask for girth I presume it should be the flacid girth near the coronal ridge/circumcision scar)

Just to take note, I’m currently learning how to wrap and hang correctly.

Sorry for the delay in responding old boy, I’ve been absent of late.
I totally agree with you Xeno. We must enrich our minds with quests into the unknown, to keep the fire stoked. No matter how big or small those journeys are, be they external or internal.
I’m doing like you say, I’m on my life saving dick, mutating quest.

P.s glad someone made the connection. :)

Jiu Jiu Shen Gong Practitioner here Xeno.

Well being a cat lover is also an adventure!

Ah, very good to know. If I may offer where none was solicited, I recommend using a BIB Hardcore, modified in this manner: BeardedDragon - Finding xeno: a penis tale for your qi gong hanging instead of the silk scarf attachment…far better circulation with no loss of firmness of attachment. I humbly offer that I’ve used my modified BIB Hardcore for routine lifting in the 50 to 130 lbs. range and have used it for dead lifts above 200 lbs.

Comfort is such that the hanging “endorphin bloom” is unattenuated by any sensation on the discomfort to pain spectrum…thereby making meditation easy and natural while hanging. This is what propelled SKF progress beyond the Sacral Pump for me; conversion of Qi to Shen and Shen body excursions on Indra’s Web followed.

Best Wishes for a Human Life nourished by inquiry.

xeno

Just to say many thanks for all this info! Just got to the end of this thread, plus have read your other contributions elsewhere (e.g. on ADS, CC etc).

I’m restarting PE myself again, and will adhere to your IPR strategy. So from what I can conclude from everything I’ve read, all parts of IPR are crucial - i.e. you need to stress the penis past it’s normal dimensions (but for not too long), then do a fair amount of ADS followed by a lot of rest. Actually the great news - apart from it actually working - is that it’s a really do-able routine, based on my work schedule and knowing how previously my PE has faltered based on the fact that due to other commitments some routines were just not possible to follow.

So I’m just starting now since a few days ago - if you have any comments on this routine, would be great if you could let me know. Otherwise I’m just putting it down for the record:

- I’m currently in first “I” part where I’ll limit it to 14 days max. Am doing something like 15-20 mins manual stretches to start (already included a variation of the BB stretch). I’m planning stretches every day rather than micro IPR on/off routine… don’t know if that’s right. Followed by 4+ hours of an ADS (about 2lbs PE weights, maybe reducing weights over the day to end with the 1lb cock coil I made some time ago). I’ve thought I’ll also throw in some pumping here and there to stress tissues (but maybe just based on PIs). Will probably buy a BIB starter hanger for next cycle to create extra time-limited stress.

Plan will then be to proliferate in the “P” phase for 4-6 weeks, using only an ADS for 4+ hours/day (again 2 lbs or so). Followed by rest in the “R” phase for 2 months.

You’re very welcome waterman; thanks for the kind words.

That looks pretty good waterman, but I think the words of Jaybomb in this post: Jaybomb - Finding xeno: a penis tale, are prescient with respect to it:

I think that it’s important for PE practitioners to keep in mind that tissue conditioning is counter productive for purposes of enlarging one’s penis. All that does is make it so that future force applications, applied obviously, for the purpose of enlarging one’s penis, will have to be larger…which induces further, deeper, harder conditioning…which then obligates even larger forces in subsequent applications…you get the idea. Once initial newbie gains are exhausted, what I think every PE practitioner should…no, needs to…incorporate into their efforts in order to realize further gains is some sort of discretized force application…which, practically speaking, means either multiple cable clamp clamping or a Tiger Trap. These methods allow for discrete force application to tissues. This important for at least two reasons: 1) genuine tissue deformation is achievable, and 2) that deformation is highly localized. The importance of the first should be self evident, but in my experience of reading on this forum of what other PE practitioners do, I have to conclude that it isn’t to many practitioners…as indicated in my opening sentence to this paragraph…if one is not generating genuine tissue deformation, then all they are doing is conditioning their tissues…highly counter productive for purposes of enlarging one’s penile tissues. Simply put, if there’s no tissue deformation, then no I-Phase has taken place…therefore no P-Phase can take place, i.e. there’s no point to using an ADS if the tissues that the ADS generated forces are applied to have not been deformed. So yea, achieving genuine tissue deformation is important, and very difficult for a non-newbie PE practitioner to generate manually. Thus, the utility of cable clamps and the Tiger Trap. It’s important to point out that PeForFun style pumping (high vacuum/low duration) also produces genuine tissue deformation, and does so over the entire penis, so it is NOT discretized, which, in my experience, makes it significantly more difficult to control at and above the point of deformation, and therefore, more dangerous…big glans blisters in particular. Point being, multiple cable clamps and the Tiger Trap are much safer, which ultimately equates to more effective. As always, in my experience, your mileage may vary.

Regarding 2), by applying deformation inducing forces in a discrete manner, tissues are able to undergo the I->P->R process in discrete parcels at the same time, so that some tissues can be in the proliferation phase while others are being inflamed…it’s obviously not practicable to also have tissues in the recovery phase…WHICH IS WHY IT’S SO IMPORTANT THAT TISSUES ARE RESTED after an I-Phase campaign…that’s when cellular proliferation and tissue remodeling…otherwise known as gains…occur. Soooo, by using discretized force application, we can have multiple, localized IPR processes taking place at the same time. It’s been my experience and that of others before me, Shiver and MX in particular, that, given a sufficiently effective at generating tissue deformation routine…and that is a non-trivial accomplishment…one can effectively generate the IPR process over the entirety of one’s penile tissue in about 2 weeks. Then it’s off to P and then oh so sweet R…

Gonna go smoke a bowl and chill with mrs. x for awhile; later dudes…

xeno

Interesting, thanks for the insights.

For the manual stretching at the mo, I’m using a wooden bar in different places as fulcrum, so hoping I’m getting some localized deformation, but it may well not be enough. Maybe I should make one of the Tiger Traps and add that in along with the pumping part. Do you still think that 1.25” wavelength and height is about right (for you)?

My pleasure; it’s good to think, and to help.

Oh, well in that case, I should think that would be much more effective than without it.

That’s near state of the art for PE practice as far as I’m concerned…but I am biased. I do think that PE logic will lead every practitioner to this sort of practice eventually.

Great question! No; I now think that the current 1” wavelength is just fine, but that the current 0.5” height should be at least 0.75”, and 1” would really put a stretch on. Now that you make me think about it, it’s time that I built a new one…thanks for the motivational question waterman! I’ll post my shopping list and document the build with photos.

Thanks again and Good Luck!

xeno

OK thanks, I’ll set about making one in the next couple of days.

Just to be clear waterman, I’m not suggesting that you should use a TT now, just that I think every practitioner, given enough experience, will eventually end up needing to utilize something like the TT to achieve further gains…whether you’re at that point yet?…I have no idea.

I just know that I am.

Anyhoo, it is good to see you back; best wishes for a successful campaign…and please let us know how it goes.

xeno

Yeah thanks - sure, any technique or routine has got to be adapted to whoever is doing it.

I think for me though, I’ve got to the point where I need a bit of something new to crack through and cause growth. I had originally wanted to restart my PE using an ADS-only approach with a bit of manual stretching in there, since it seemed that some guys have gained significantly that way. But others were saying that ADS was only really effective after some more stressful stuff (I’ve read about combining ADS with jelqing, pumping, hard manual stretching, heavy-ish weights using the BiB, and now the TT). Having read how you got on through the IPR strategy which has ADS as a major component, and combined with my previous slowed gains during previous PE efforts, I think I’ve concluded that I need to ensure that I have the techniques right that will stress the tissues enough during the 2 week period. It seems that the techniques to cause the deformation/stress can be varied, and maybe should be as well - so in future it could include all of those things I mentioned above I’d imagine. But right now I only have manual stretching and a pump at my disposal, but have ordered a BiB starter and want to make a TT to have in my arsenal…!

A few other things I was thinking about in bed last night and also this morning when doing stretches:

- For the tiger trap, I understand that you use it when clamped & erect, so in this case I can see that the penile tissues are then squashed/stretched intensely at certain points. But what happens if you go in flaccid? Does the fact that you’re flaccid mean that there is more inherent flexibility and therefore less intense stretch? What would happen if you lined the rows of teeth with theraband/swim cap material, then clamped down when pulling out and flaccid - presumably there would be good grip at each end and then you’d get the intense stretch along the shaft in this case too. Just an idea.

- When you were hanging weights during the “I” phase before, I think you’d mentioned going very heavy. For me I’d need to figure out what range to aim for - was thinking between 4 and 8kg, somewhere in that range. Also regarding the timeframe, you said you did that in the morning, but for how long do you think in general one should aim for? Might be good to have your take on this before I dive down the rabbit hole of the hangers forums and threads. Initially I was thinking something like 3 x 20 min sets, then put on the ADS. But from my notes I made some years ago, it seems that hangers experience is that 10 hours/week should be the minimum to create enough stress, so in this case if during one week you’re doing an on/off routine, that means perhaps 3 hanging times per 7 days, so if keeping to that 10 hour rule it would be something like 3.3 hours per day. So interesting to know how long you think the hanging part should be before reverting to the ADS.

- About a proper ‘stretched’ feeling - I’ve had this question in my mind for a long time actually. When doing manual stretching with fulcrum, I sometimes get a burning feeling especially in certain positions especially pulling up in the bucking bronco type of position. I’d thought before that it could just be skin stretch, especially since the harder you pull and/or when your thighs descend, the fulcrum moves up the shaft and this is when the burning starts. But if it was just skin stretch then presumably I’d feel it when doing the stretch over and down over the fulcrum, but I don’t get the same sensation there. Anyone has an idea on when we really know (by feeling) when the important tissues (tunica et al) are being stretched?

Otherwise just ordered/paid for the BiB!