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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
There are affordable four channel thermometers with k-type thermocouples available. The downside is the accuracy.
Putting a little bit more on price you can have two channel versions with a better accuracy.

Hi Kyrpa

OK so I had a look around, I think you’re right from the reviews and Youtube vids, seems the 4 channel ones might have accuracy issues sometimes. The 2 channel ones on Ebay or Amazon also are cheap (£20 or so) making me wonder about accuracy, but when I find a recognised brand (like Hanna Instruments) it’s something like £160…. Have you found a brand/model that is accurate and worked for you? £160 might be too much for me, but I don’t want to get something that is cheap and inaccurate since we need to know quite precisely the temperature for our specific application.

Also - with the k-type sensors, I’m wondering how people attach that on the shaft at various places, or do you guys just trap them between shaft and thigh?

Thanks


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Hello everyone

So I think I’m going to try to sell on the first Indian ultrasound 3MHz unit that I bought - if anyone here would like it please let me know. It cost me about £180 before custom import charges and I’ve used it a few times. Thinking if someone wants it for say £50 + postage I’d be happy to let it go.

About its quality - I wasn’t sure it was the best quality at the time, plus wasn’t sure what I should be feeling (re. heat in the shaft) so at the time I had also invested in a reconditioned machine (Dutch made) which I’m using now. I’d say probably the Indian machine is OK, just not the best quality, but perhaps good enough for someone starting out on a budget? I’m not sure how big the actual ERA is for example, and also the guys I bought the reconditioned unit off had mentioned that they had tested some of the Indian units and found that they weren’t the best quality. But having said that, if anyone feels they could use this unit, please let me know.

The actual unit on Ebay is here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264564616157

Hi everyone

I still have my Indian Delta 3 MHz unit - I used it a few times but at the time I wasn’t sure about its effectiveness. So I had bought a reconditioned Dutch machine with a larger transducer head which I’ve used since, which has info on the screen that tells me how much power is being used at any particular moment - so much better.

The guys selling it to me had mentioned that some of the Indian units had variable outputs and weren’t the best quality. I think perhaps it can work OK if you would use a secondary heat source like a rice sock to lay under the shaft, which would also stretch the shaft thinner for the 3 MHz to work better.

Anyway, if anyone wants this unit please let me know. I’d bought it for what I stated above, but actually now I’m happy to let it go to someone on this thread who doesn’t yet have a US machine and wants to start out - after all we’re all helping each other here. Or maybe I can swap it for a thermometer!


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Hi Kyrpa

OK so I had a look around, I think you’re right from the reviews and Youtube vids, seems the 4 channel ones might have accuracy issues sometimes. The 2 channel ones on Ebay or Amazon also are cheap (£20 or so) making me wonder about accuracy, but when I find a recognised brand (like Hanna Instruments) it’s something like £160…. Have you found a brand/model that is accurate and worked for you? £160 might be too much for me, but I don’t want to get something that is cheap and inaccurate since we need to know quite precisely the temperature for our specific application.

Also - with the k-type sensors, I’m wondering how people attach that on the shaft at various places, or do you guys just trap them between shaft and thigh?

Thanks

Found this one from a reputable supplier, what do people think: https://www.yorksurvey.co.uk/dual-k…ter-c2x22590885


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Hi Kyrpa

Also - with the k-type sensors, I’m wondering how people attach that on the shaft at various places, or do you guys just trap them between shaft and thigh?

Thanks

Maybe I´ll return with the specific thermometer later. But in general accuracy costs. For accuracy of (±0.5 % +1 °C) you can found equipment with price tag under 80$ going for (±0.2 % +0.5°C) more than 150$ and to allow better than K - or J-type thermocouples the price jumps steeply upwards.
Thermocouple type dictates the accuracy as well , the type I am using enables ±1.10C measuring.
Putting two channels(or 4) showing average you can get better absolute accuracy.

https://thermocoupleinfo.com/thermo…-accuracies.htm

About the attachment of the wires, I use surgical tape. It sticks like glued still allowing the ultrasound pass with the gel.
And I do tape them on my thigh below not into shaft at all.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Found this one from a reputable supplier, what do people think: https://www.yorksurvey.co.uk/dual-k…ter-c2x22590885

The datasheet is similar to mine.

https://www.yorksurvey.co.uk/Files/125209/320940.pdf


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Maybe I´ll return with the specific thermometer later. But in general accuracy costs. For accuracy of (±0.5 % +1 °C) you can found equipment with price tag under 80$ going for (±0.2 % +0.5°C) more than 150$ and to allow better than K - or J-type thermocouples the price jumps steeply upwards.
Thermocouple type dictates the accuracy as well , the type I am using enables ±1.10C measuring.
Putting two channels(or 4) showing average you can get better absolute accuracy.

https://thermocoupleinfo.com/thermo…-accuracies.htm

About the attachment of the wires, I use surgical tape. It sticks like glued still allowing the ultrasound pass with the gel.
And I do tape them on my thigh below not into shaft at all.

OK great thanks for this, I’ll see if I can buy it and have a go like that.


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

Gentlemen!

During my first 4 weeks of US assisted I reached all in all 1.5cm increase in BPFSL (first week with quite the increase, other 3 weeks around 1mm pr 3 days). However I’m only reaching optimal strain rate in two of 16 sessions. I’m reaching needed temperatures(external).
Should I be worried for future gains? Any thoughts or comments are much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Gentlemen!

During my first 4 weeks of US assisted I reached all in all 1.5cm increase in BPFSL (first week with quite the increase, other 3 weeks around 1mm pr 3 days). However I’m only reaching optimal strain rate in two of 16 sessions. I’m reaching needed temperatures(external).
Should I be worried for future gains? Any thoughts or comments are much appreciated.

Sensai891,

Thanks for the valued feedback. This 1.5cm BPSFL is all new growth? Were you stalled on length gains before the US heat? Have you done a BPEL measurement after measuring 1.5cm additional BPSFL?

Originally Posted by djrobins
Sensai891,

Thanks for the valued feedback. This 1.5cm BPSFL is all new growth? Were you stalled on length gains before the US heat? Have you done a BPEL measurement after measuring 1.5cm additional BPSFL?

Hi djrobins,

The 1.5 cm is all new growth from the last months worth of US assisted PE. As mentioned the first week gave quite an increase on BPSFL.

I wouldn’t say stalled, however I felt I needed to keep increasing the weights to a point I didn’t feel comfortable.

BPEL increase on 1.9cm. I needed to take several measurements to confirm this number..
Might have been some alterations in EQ as well from measurement to measurement.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Hi djrobins,

The 1.5 cm is all new growth from the last months worth of US assisted PE. As mentioned the first week gave quite an increase on BPSFL.

I wouldn’t say stalled, however I felt I needed to keep increasing the weights to a point I didn’t feel comfortable.

BPEL increase on 1.9cm. I needed to take several measurements to confirm this number..
Might have been some alterations in EQ as well from measurement to measurement.

Cheers

For many of us that have been around even the 1.5 cm BPEL increase would be greatly appreciated. “They” are also saying with addtional time and therapy under the US heat or IR heating that you gain a stronger vascular system in the cock, a better flaccid, and better EQ.

Originally Posted by djrobins
For many of us that have been around even the 1.5 cm BPEL increase would be greatly appreciated. “They” are also saying with addtional time and therapy under the US heat or IR heating that you gain a stronger vascular system in the cock, a better flaccid, and better EQ.

Thank you for the feedback, djrobins!

Please don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t be more thrilled over the sudden increase. And in just a months time. I couldn’t have done it without the data and knowledge you guys are providing.
I wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t for reading up on the forums posts regarding the use ultrasound as an tool.

I’m not asking for more, just worried that I’m not reaching the optimum strain rate and are doing something wrong that would cause inflammation over time.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Thank you for the feedback, djrobins!

Please don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t be more thrilled over the sudden increase. And in just a months time. I couldn’t have done it without the data and knowledge you guys are providing.
I wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t for reading up on the forums posts regarding the use ultrasound as an tool.

I’m not asking for more, just worried that I’m not reaching the optimum strain rate and are doing something wrong that would cause inflammation over time.

Cheers

This is awesome news. Many of us hit a brick wall with the septum. After enough time into the PE game there were really no more gains to be had, even though we were happy with the gains we had to this point. I believe Kyrpa has achieved 2.5cm BPSFL increase, although he has not yet recorded a new BPEL measurement. All in all it sounds like this technique will work for those who had stopped gaining in length due to the septum being the limiter. It’s amazing that this new gain happens so suddenly. I’m looking forward to adding my US device to start a period of new growth.

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Gentlemen,

First of all I want to thank all the contributors on this forum for giving me the tools to push foward with PE.

I’ve been lurking around these forums for quite some time, especially surrounding the threads regarding US as an aid for PE. And I finally decided to create an user and now putting out my first post. Hopefully some of my data would help the process further and for me to receive some guidance on my further process.

My setup for the moment is quite simple. I’m running on 2pcs US2000, analog fishing scale tied to a desk, Pmpro vacuum bell, outdoor thermometer for temp control, Rice sock for stress relax.
The session itself are :Stress relaxation 15 min external heat (1.5kg), US heat 20min (3kg), cold stretch 10 min.

I’ve attached my progress, as there were some issues with copy/paste excel data.

So based on the numbers my strain rate are nowhere near the suggested optimal level on 2.3%? Strain. However I’m ticking in an increase after each session. Total lenght increase are BPFSL +1.5cm and BPEL +1.9cm after 14 sessions with the US assisted PE.

Lessons learned so far:
- invest in a proper vacuum bell for the glans(Ebay copies provides slippages, edema and pain)
- Use more gel than you think is necessary
- Be sure to control temperature
- cold stretch should not be done with vacuum attachment

Upgrades to my existing setup would be the following:
- Thermometer and data logger to provide constant condition updates and historical figures.
- Rebuild vacuum bell to be used with vacuum-press with gauge.
- Digital scale to improve load control

Now to my questions:
- What might be the issue regarding the strain rate? Each US-session last 20 minutes, whereas 12-13 minutes of the session I’m averaging on 41 degrees Celsius. If I’m going over 3.6-3.8 kg there are development of edema just below frenulum so increasing weight is probably not correct for me at this stage. If I’m not mistaken the optimal strain rate are based on data from some of the forum members? Such as Kyrpa, Manko, etc. Would it be wise trying to chase these numbers at all?
- Should I spend more time during stress relaxation? Not showing too much of an alteration in pre-heat vs post stress relaxation.

Thank you all again, and please forgive my English as this is not my native language.

Sensei891,

I’m sorry for so many questions. Is your stretching done with your hand or is it done via hanging or an extender?

Originally Posted by djrobins
Sensei891,

I’m sorry for so many questions. Is your stretching done with your hand or is it done via hanging or an extender?

No worries, djrobins!

I’m doing manual stretches for the 10 min cooldown window. I definitely feel that its room for improvement getting a proper stretch throughout the entire cooldown phase.

The other phases of the session(for now) are done with vaccum bell attached to analogue scale.

Cheers

Originally Posted by djrobins
This is awesome news. Many of us hit a brick wall with the septum. After enough time into the PE game there were really no more gains to be had, even though we were happy with the gains we had to this point. I believe Kyrpa has achieved 2.5cm BPSFL increase, although he has not yet recorded a new BPEL measurement. All in all it sounds like this technique will work for those who had stopped gaining in length due to the septum being the limiter. It’s amazing that this new gain happens so suddenly. I’m looking forward to adding my US device to start a period of new growth.

DJ,

Actually more. You can see it easily in my stats if you take a look. Overall BPFSL incerease has been 5.9 cm over the one and a half years course. BPEL 4.5 cm.
I lost approximately 1 cm on both during the 5-6 months decon. Now I have started all over again after the reset.

You are right only partially, the technique works for the guys who have found the limitations. But the case like me, the bar was set naturally very low as I had found it decades ago having gained whopping 1 cm on BPFSL/BPEL on my attempts in history. The “cord” as they have name it, the upper triangular shape formation of the inner layer of the tunica, septum can be already that restricting for some that there is no hope of any gains at start with. In my case it has been always presented itself as a thick tendon like feature when palpating flaccid penis.

This application and the passionate study behind which I have done has emerged from the fight against poor genetics for PE. I label myself between hardgainer and no gainer without it.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 10-10-2020 at .
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