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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Hi djrobins,

The 1.5 cm is all new growth from the last months worth of US assisted PE. As mentioned the first week gave quite an increase on BPSFL.

I wouldn’t say stalled, however I felt I needed to keep increasing the weights to a point I didn’t feel comfortable.

BPEL increase on 1.9cm. I needed to take several measurements to confirm this number..
Might have been some alterations in EQ as well from measurement to measurement.

Cheers

I would recommend against continuing to increase the loads chasing the “optimal” strain rate. I’ve personally never seen much benefit to going beyond 3kg and that appears to be the tipping point where risk of injury accelerates rapidly.

IMO if you put in 3 days and proper heat + approx 3kg load is not producing more gains you have two options. Preferentially you would dramatically decrease your strain rate. In my experience strain rate has a higher correlation to absolute length than any other factor with the exception of achieving at least 40C temps.

Secondarily you could take an extended rest period of many weeks and allow the connective tissues to remodel themselves. If your temp is correct and your strain rate is optimal and your volume is right and you hit a wall, you gotta rest.

Originally Posted by waterman888
So I am now using my new K-type dual thermocouple thermometer - very useful to start gauging temperatures. I like now how I can now be more precise about everything. I’m following what others found to be good protocol (e.g. started today using PMP head but a bit more force in stress-relax phase - starting 2kg going up to around 2.5kg for 30 mins using my own contraption rather than the PMP extender apparatus itself, followed by US 1 MHz 1.6+ W/cm2 for between 12-14 mins with force 3kg to maybe 3.3kg, then 10 mins hard manual pull in all directions and over fulcrum in different directions). I think I might be on the right track now, as my dick feels really long and elastic when coming out of the US phase and I’m measuring some mm increments. But I’m learning as I go, still trying to tweak my set-up to be as effective as possible - strain is currently 2.2%. A few things that came to mind today that I thought I’d ask to optimise what I’m doing:

1. Previous days I used a rice sock under the shaft, measured temperature between dorsal side and rice sock - temperature was getting up to 44 deg C initially, settling down around 40-42 by the end of 12 mins. Today the rice sock felt too hot on my thigh, maybe I need to just microwave it a bit less next time, but as a result I left it off and just measured at the same points but this time between thigh and shaft… by around 10 mins it was starting to edge over 40 deg C, and at 12 mins it was 40-41 deg C. At this point, I wasn’t sure if the glans was feeling a bit odd, didn’t want a blister, so I came out - glans was all fine, but it got me thinking about the question of what is more important here - the amount of time when using US when it’s over 40 deg C with that 3kg+ stretch, or the post-US stretch after reaching 40 deg C regardless of how long you were stretched at that temperature for? As in, if you finally manage to get to 40-41 deg C, even if only for a couple of mins, and then you go into the hard manual stretches, is that what we’re aiming for? Or rather the more critical part of this process is having that US stretch at 40-41 deg C maintained for longer? Like I say today I pulled out because of concern of the glans, but if I could have kept going with US, perhaps I should continue longer until the point that Kyrpa found the internal temp regulation kicks in (around 15 mins). Next time I think I’m going to keep it there longer at that temperature, but wanted to know thoughts of guys on here… I know people tend to do US for 15-20 mins so I suspect now that it’s time at 40+ deg that is the key…. I had just thought before that it was only important to get it up to that temperature, and when you’ve got there that you get into that heavier stretch….Hope people can see what I mean. Anyway certainly the rice sock makes a big difference in getting to that temperature quicker.

2. Second thing that occurred to me, is how rapidly do we need to get into the 10 min post-US stretch. I’m using the PMP head with lube, and I’m starting to get quicker about the change from US stretch, getting out of that thing, wiping off everything, adding liquid chalk and starting the manual pull. Other days it was maybe 2 mins, today I sped it up and maybe 1 min interchange. What is the experience of others?

Thanks

From my data…

Even the best vacuum head setup risks blisters above 3kg once heat is applied. Heat makes the glans MUCH more prone to blisters at higher loads. I could handle 5kg+ cold without injury, but not with heat.

There isn’t an optimal time at target temps directly. I suspect that the 8-10 minute observations reflect the amount of time necessary to ensure that a maximum volume of connective tissue has maintained target temps long enough for the majority of maximal plastic deformation.

Indirectly… time under heat requirement has a causal relationship with the act of straining. That is, they must be simultaneous. So if you have a very slow strain rate like me, the strain takes longer and the heat must be maintained longer. Alternatively, most here have a very fast strain rate the reaches max load in less than 60 seconds. In that case you must maintain the target temp for the majority of the relaxation because as soon as you remove the heat, the tissues begin to contract.

For perspective, I’m now using a strain rate of 0.5% per minute which is in the realm of 1mm per minute. I start at a load around 0.5kg which coincides with a BPFSL well below the starting point that Kyrpa refers to as the baseline after the conditioning stretch. It takes me about 30 minutes to reach max load. I start heating about 10 minutes in and maintain the heat until I hit max load, so about 20 min. The data suggests that there isn’t a measurable benefit to heating at very low loads and I really don’t want to maintain high temps for too long.

I cool down at fixed max strain which causes the load to increase/decrease cyclically. I’ve seen no benefit to a slow release of tension, so I just completely deload at room temp for 5 minute then repeat the process one more time. Total time under heat is about 40 min. Whole process takes about 70 min.

I would love to be able to do 5 cycles but my data says that the benefits of cyclic straining are not as great as the benefit of slow strain rate. I could go for 2.5 hours and get both, but the literature suggests an increase in cell apoptosis which is not what I’m after.

Very intriguing and well documented, impressive!

I’ve been doing PE for several years now and seem to have gotten to a point where the returns have definitely diminished.
It appears that the steel cord also applies to me, I think my growth almost ground to a halt when BPEL caught up with BPFSL.

I’m a bit fearful of cooking my parts though with ultrasound + it sounds cumbersome to have to use the gel.
I am thinking to try making a warming ‘mantle’ with warm water for easy temperature control to 41-43C for example, which can be wrapped around while stretching.
If it would not suffice to reach the required internal temperature, US is probably a better option but I’m fearful to make a mistake with it and cause damage.
I think external heat could work as long as the source covers the entire length and provides a constant temperature. Especially in a stretched state, the cross section lowers a lot when stretched so heat transfer should overpower the ability to cool.

Have people tried ultrasound with clamping? Would it offer any benefit?

Hi guys, there’s great piece of information in this thread.
I was looking at the US Pro 2000 2nd edition user manual, and had a doubt: https://www.tenspros.com/assets/images/manuals/US-Pro-2000-DU3035-Manual.pdf

When Kyrpa says the device must be used in continuous mode and not in pulsed mode, is he referring to the waveform or to the duty cycle? Because in the US Pro 2000 2nd edition manual, it says waveform is pulsed.

I need some clarification because I’m a little bit confused.

Originally Posted by findskeen
Hi guys, there’s great piece of information in this thread.
I was looking at the US Pro 2000 2nd edition user manual, and had a doubt: https://www.tenspros.com/assets/ima…3035-Manual.pdf

When Kyrpa says the device must be used in continuous mode and not in pulsed mode, is he referring to the waveform or to the duty cycle? Because in the US Pro 2000 2nd edition manual, it says waveform is pulsed.

I need some clarification because I’m a little bit confused.


Duty cycle 100%.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Duty cycle 100%.

Would it be possible for somebody to make a YouTube video showing the techniques involved in using ultrasound?

Additionally, I now have some money together to buy a good device. I’ve heard some bad things about the US Pro 2000, is there a better selection of devices?

Thanks

Originally Posted by 7by5
Would it be possible for somebody to make a YouTube video showing the techniques involved in using ultrasound?

Additionally, I now have some money together to buy a good device. I’ve heard some bad things about the US Pro 2000, is there a better selection of devices?

Thanks

Apparently not in the same price tag. Triple the budget or more there are plenty of choices.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I haven’t read this entire thread so excuse me if this was already discussed. But I was wondering if anyone has used this method with clamping or other girth type exercises with different levels of erection? And would having a 100% erection level alone lead to possible gains in both girth and length? Especially when combined with Kegels and clamping.

Originally Posted by 7by5
Would it be possible for somebody to make a YouTube video showing the techniques involved in using ultrasound?

Additionally, I now have some money together to buy a good device. I’ve heard some bad things about the US Pro 2000, is there a better selection of devices?

Thanks


Be sure to check eBay. I found a used Omnisound for less than an US Pro 2000.

Originally Posted by jos29
Very intriguing and well documented, impressive!

I’ve been doing PE for several years now and seem to have gotten to a point where the returns have definitely diminished.
It appears that the steel cord also applies to me, I think my growth almost ground to a halt when BPEL caught up with BPFSL.

I’m a bit fearful of cooking my parts though with ultrasound + it sounds cumbersome to have to use the gel.
I am thinking to try making a warming ‘mantle’ with warm water for easy temperature control to 41-43C for example, which can be wrapped around while stretching.
If it would not suffice to reach the required internal temperature, US is probably a better option but I’m fearful to make a mistake with it and cause damage.
I think external heat could work as long as the source covers the entire length and provides a constant temperature. Especially in a stretched state, the cross section lowers a lot when stretched so heat transfer should overpower the ability to cool.

Have people tried ultrasound with clamping? Would it offer any benefit?

No answers on combining US heat with clamping?

I would think the changes in collagen on a molecular level while erect might allow for pressure from the blood in the SS to influence expansion/gains there and the tunica. I’m new here but I tried PE years ago and made some gains (originally 6 1/2 BPEL 4 7/8 MS EG before any PE ) but went WAY overboard and toughened up my penis. That was around 2006 to 2010/2011. I just started again and have been looking at the less is more theories, PI’s and adding heat. I had lost what little gains I made 10 years ago, but after starting back about a month ago now I’ve got back up to 7 BPEL 5 MS EG. Maybe this is just regaining what I had 10 years ago, but I think warming up for 15 to 20 minutes minimum now and even on rest days has helped. I think the US has some great possibilities for gains and wondered if anyone had done anything with it in conjunction while erect.

I don’t think I’ll be investing in one soon but might eventually after more research. It looks like everyone here is experimenting with it with stretching devices, but I’ve been turned off from past experiences with extenders, hanging and anything that limits blood flow. I’ve always gotten cold glans and like I said I toughened up. Thanks to everyone who has shared here and good luck.

I meant CC Not SS

I am glad to see this new pioneering in pe. Have you tried to clamp or pump immediately after US?

Originally Posted by djrobins
No answers on combining US heat with clamping?

Hi djrobins,

Kyrpa have done some trials for girth-specific workouts. Including US heat with clamping.

As per now it seems bundled stretches have provided the best results so far.

I have done a couple of weeks trial with US clamping(dual setup with US2000 1MHz)
Aprox 106-107% expansion. But unfortunately the temperature are not consistent above therapeutic levels during the session.

I’m uncertain if there are any trials with 3MHz equipment.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Hi djrobins,

Kyrpa have done some trials for girth-specific workouts. Including US heat with clamping.

As per now it seems bundled stretches have provided the best results so far.

I have done a couple of weeks trial with US clamping(dual setup with US2000 1MHz)
Aprox 106-107% expansion. But unfortunately the temperature are not consistent above therapeutic levels during the session.

I’m uncertain if there are any trials with 3MHz equipment.

Cheers

Yeah. There are few guys on girth protocol already and lets see how they respond .
I believe they are also on the protocol of using US pre heating while under bundled stretch, followed immediately with clamping / pumping exercise.
Several heat cycles are expected for the best outcome.

This is new territory for each of us. For me it provided restart for stalled gains but not in the spectacular magnitude I am after.
The temporary expansion rate was stupendous though, so following the protocol there should be positive results in longterm anyway.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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