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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Hello Kyrpa! Let me start off by saying I am immensely grateful for your dedication to pioneering this new avenue of PE.
Now to my question: is there any real reason why US couldn’t be used for regular routines, to properly heat the tissues when performing stretching? I imagine jelqing would get problematic, but simple stretches seem like they would benefit from the superior heating.

Thank you in advance!

US Pro 2000 2nd Edition

As a follow up, this article on 1MHz versus 3MHz is informative: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC522144/

Seems the 3 MHz unit would be best for our purposes, though there has obviously been good success with the US Pro 2000. Is anyone out “there” using a 3MHz unit?

Originally Posted by Stricken
Hello Kyrpa! Let me start off by saying I am immensely grateful for your dedication to pioneering this new avenue of PE.
Now to my question: is there any real reason why US couldn’t be used for regular routines, to properly heat the tissues when performing stretching? I imagine jelqing would get problematic, but simple stretches seem like they would benefit from the superior heating.

Thank you in advance!

Thanks for the compliments Stricken,

I am pretty sure there will be guys using it in each every way they possibly can imagine, that is not a problem.

The biggest concern is that guys using ineffective daily routines end up using ultrasound in excessive and uncontrolled fashion at daily basis.

Then some of them end up hurting them selves despite not gaining anything. Then they end up whining all over the TP about their situation and the moderators start to put disclaimers on every ultrasound thread they can find because of the potentially hazardous content. At that point I would get that frustrated about all the stupidity earning myself a ban in the end of the day.

I don´t know , though it may turn out to be just fine as well. If the user has his brain working then why not.

If adding a tool such a ultrasound, there need to be some change in attitudes if so. It seems that majority of the regular routine practitioners are sleepwalking through without a much of control on either their routine effectiveness or the periodization of the process.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Sensei891
Hi djrobins,

Yes.
The initial expansion happens with a heated pump during stress relaxation, and remaining expansion are forced with clamps.

My last measurements have been fluctuating between 0+3mm. However as there has been fluctuation I can’t confirm any EG increases. Flaccid seems to keep up though.

But as mentioned, this protocol is probably not viable with my current setup. Still needs development and inputs from other forum members.
For my next protocol I will either go for bundled stretches or invest in 3MHz equipment to understand if that could benefit the process.

Cheers

Sensei891,

Do you have additional feedback regarding integration of US heating and Clamping? All of the information regarding US heating is regarding going after length gains such as hanging, extender and manual stretching. We don’t have any details on integration of the US heating device and clamping.

Also you pointed out a greater than .5” BPEL gain in your application. There are a couple of other users who on reported back the quick .5”,.6” or .7” BPFSL spurt where they had been previously stalled on length gains. However those users didn’t report any BPEL increase…

Ok I have read through the entire thread and I think I have an idea of how this works now. Something like, 40 minutes pre workout stretching under non US heat to get the penis soft and relaxed, then 30 minutes stretching under US heat, then a 10 minute stretch after heat has been removed to cool down. Makes sense and isn’t too complicated. Although at this point I’m probably going to stick with the infrared heat lamp for now as it’s very convenient and seems to work at least OK. I do have a question about the cool down period though. Is the idea specifically that we need to have the tissue elongated while the penis returns to regular temperature, or is it just that an extra 10 minutes of stretching after the maximum US time is beneficial? I ask because with IR heating lamp, I can just leave the lamp on for those ten minutes, and then go “cold turkey”, but I’m wondering if there’s something special about the time when the penis is cooling that makes it important to have it stretched as that process occurs.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Ok I have read through the entire thread and I think I have an idea of how this works now. Something like, 40 minutes pre workout stretching under non US heat to get the penis soft and relaxed, then 30 minutes stretching under US heat, then a 10 minute stretch after heat has been removed to cool down. Makes sense and isn’t too complicated. Although at this point I’m probably going to stick with the infrared heat lamp for now as it’s very convenient and seems to work at least OK. I do have a question about the cool down period though. Is the idea specifically that we need to have the tissue elongated while the penis returns to regular temperature, or is it just that an extra 10 minutes of stretching after the maximum US time is beneficial? I ask because with IR heating lamp, I can just leave the lamp on for those ten minutes, and then go “cold turkey”, but I’m wondering if there’s something special about the time when the penis is cooling that makes it important to have it stretched as that process occurs.

The heat allows to stretch the tissue to a extend otherwise impossible. Some portion of that extra elongation remains permanent.
According to couple of studies after the tissue has been stretched to these new dimensions via therapeutic heat, the percentage of the permanent elongation is significantly better if the tissue had been left to this stretched length to cool down. So there is speciality on having the tissue elongated while the penis returns to regular temperature.

I personally have been able to extract additional 1mm elongation during excerises via manual stretches as a cooldown procedure. Which can be used as a alternative to fixed length cooldown.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by djrobins
Sensei891,

Do you have additional feedback regarding integration of US heating and Clamping? All of the information regarding US heating is regarding going after length gains such as hanging, extender and manual stretching. We don’t have any details on integration of the US heating device and clamping.

Also you pointed out a greater than .5” BPEL gain in your application. There are a couple of other users who on reported back the quick .5”,.6” or .7” BPFSL spurt where they had been previously stalled on length gains. However those users didn’t report any BPEL increase..

Hi djrobins,

Unfortunately I have no positive feedback regarding US assisted clamping yet. I have however just purchased an old Delta Intelect 3MHz machine. Need to run some tests to see if its viable and figure out how a girth protocol would look like. That won’t probably happen before January as I would like to run another length protocol, and having a hard time getting some privacy to execute it.

For the BPEL increase it came as a surprise for me, as I weren’t expecting any. Lets see if it reproduces during my second campaign.

Cheers

It looks like one can use just about any gel type liquid with this, and not just gel specifically made for US. Sex lube, all kinds of lotions, hand sanitizer, oil, etc. Is that right?

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
It looks like one can use just about any gel type liquid with this, and not just gel specifically made for US. Sex lube, all kinds of lotions, hand sanitizer, oil, etc. Is that right?

Not just anything you can grasp. There are differences on the conduction as some materials have different acoustic properties. Phonophoresis is possible as ultrasound can be used to deliver substances through the skin. There for we need to know what we are using as a conductive vehicle. Secondly conductive medium should not be contaminated and we need to take care of the hygiene during the treatment. I would stay away from oils for instance or anything prone to feed bacteria or fungus.

Another problem is the conductive medium drying out. The gels provided with US PRO has not been the best there is, drying out and not conducting after few minutes. I have been using german made clear ultrasound gel PINO, which has very long lasting moisture and conductivity.

Under water operation would be the best. Water is a great conductive medium. If used under/ with water the transducer should not be in skin contact at all.
Thats because air bubble induced implosion possibility between skin texture and the transducer.

And we need to take care the transducer is water proof some how. Slipping it inside a condom for instance.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Very Interesting!

How is the experience about using Ultrasound during pumping or clamping?

a few questions..

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(1) Using US while hanging “BTC” straight down between the legs while sitting in a computer chair. Probably wont be able to put the applicator on the bottom of the shaft, but will hit the top and the sides. Any problems here? How necessary is it to have something on the opposite side of the shaft while applying the applicator? If it is vitally important, could a finger against the shaft suffice?

(2) Longerstretch says he doesnt advocate heat during the warm-up and I saw elsewhere that heat applied when the tissue is not stretched could even be counter-productive. Is this the right idea? No heat while doing the stress-relaxtion warm up? And for the warm-up, would cyclical 15 second stretches be best, or just hanging with 2.5lbs or so for 10 minutes be better?

(3) The routine only calls for 20m of stretching under US heat. I have seen a couple of places mentions of something about achieving maximal elongation within this time frame and that additional time wouldnt achieve more elongation. Is this right? Whats the data on that.

(4) Other hanging routines call for 20m sessions several times a day, spaced a few hours apart. Could this be beneficial here too?

(5) I thought at first you guys were keeping the weight very low, like 2.5-5lbs only, but then I say longerstretch’s “low” was actually around 10lbs. What do you recommend in terms of weight and weight increases over time? Should I be trying to increase weight every couple weeks?

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
(1) Using US while hanging “BTC” straight down between the legs while sitting in a computer chair. Probably wont be able to put the applicator on the bottom of the shaft, but will hit the top and the sides. Any problems here? How necessary is it to have something on the opposite side of the shaft while applying the applicator? If it is vitally important, could a finger against the shaft suffice?


Straight down you are putting you testicles on the line very easily. That is the biggest not do to aiming the ultrasound beam towards. For what I can think of it might be the worst position for using the ultrasound.
Many have been running with the fingers on the opposite site. It is crucial for temperature control, firm contact for transducer to skin pair and most importantly to terminating adverse sound reflections which are attenuating the heating effect.
Ultrasound gel pads are great for this. I recently purchased a synthetic medical gelatin for $50 and it is working wonderfully with extender setup.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
(2) Longerstretch says he doesnt advocate heat during the warm-up and I saw elsewhere that heat applied when the tissue is not stretched could even be counter-productive. Is this the right idea? No heat while doing the stress-relaxtion warm up? And for the warm-up, would cyclical 15 second stretches be best, or just hanging with 2.5lbs or so for 10 minutes be better?


Not to use ultrasound (not mentioned heat in other forms) without applied stretch.
It goes down collagen fibril orientation aligning for the direction of force more pronounced under US. Without applied stress in longitudinal direction the internal ECM stress being multi axial US might be forming a fibrillar mesh down there.

After you know the load you will need then you can apply another variable such a heating of some sort. Prefer not to use the ultrasound at this stage.
As far as my understanding goes you can produce similar strain with cyclical manuals as you can have with the hanger. But done correctly you utilize stress relaxation and the strain comes in shorter time a it comes with continuous pull of hanging weight.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
(3) The routine only calls for 20m of stretching under US heat. I have seen a couple of places mentions of something about achieving maximal elongation within this time frame and that additional time wouldnt achieve more elongation. Is this right? Whats the data on that.


The routine calls for minimizing the use of ultrasound. It is not like taking a hot shower as a warm up. It is a powerful tool and excessive use forming a possible health risks.
Data and reasoning are on the 1500 post thread on the progress log. A compromise of the time under unnatural heat combined with an efficient stretch with a correct load.
Surely it is possible to have more strain for longer hang.Would it be certain is another thing. The individual stretch has been limited to 30 minutes with 20 min heated stretch in combination of 10 minutes cooldown stretch. It is optimized by several different aspects, that´s all.

If you can collect precise data of the temperatures and times you are putting your penis under then you might prolong the session if you see it relevant
There is a guidance on this thread of the times under given temperatures being healthy to go with.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Other hanging routines call for 20m sessions several times a day, spaced a few hours apart. Could this be beneficial here too?


You don´t need anything like that with these tools.
Maximize the effort in one session that’s all you will need.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73

(5) I thought at first you guys were keeping the weight very low, like 2.5-5lbs only, but then I say longerstretch’s “low” was actually around 10lbs. What do you recommend in terms of weight and weight increases over time? Should I be trying to increase weight every couple weeks?


We should keep the load as low as possible.
It should be individual and should be tested where are the threshold loads for each one´s penis. It is s simple procedure which everyone despite the form of their approach should do.

Not going blindfolded and loading progressively if it is not needed.
I think it has something to do with the fact Longerstretch has been elongating his penis whopping three (3) inches already with very abusive methods and loads during his long PE history. That is before he ever heard anything about US.

For me it is clear I can´t use no more than maximum of 2.5kg at phase 1 before the tissue starts to stiffen and resist to strain longer. Pretty sure the same strain percentage should come with lower load as well put the time needed for it should be longer too. There are reasons not to prolong single stretch longer than 30 minutes.
You should find the lowest possible load bringing you the best strain. We are building this on monitoring the strain. At each phase the elongation should be the main target and it should be measurable.

For the heated phase the 3- 3.5 kg is enough to yield the best result grip not slipping and not being un-tolerated to bear.
Done everything with the same loads the whole two years now, still producing similar strain in every exercise.
Progressive loading is for bodybuilding, we should avoid it as much as possible. It will lead to a stiffer connective tissue in the penis making it harder to stretch and grow.

We are looking for maximal strain within the compromised time under the heat using as least load and sets as possible.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa thanks so much for answering my questions

I am on the verge of going ahead and buying a US machine I just have a couple more questions

(1) is this a decent gel? https://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-U…Ct/124237167026

(2) you’ve talked about hanging over the thigh, but even though I’m at a BPFSL over over 7 inches now, I still don’t think I’m anywhere near long enough to hang in any position other than BTC. Can you describe what you suggest?

(3) when you talk about US gel pads, are you talking about placing one of these on the applicator itself, and putting your finger on the opposite side, or using the pad instead of your finger on the opposite side? I’m not sure what you are suggesting. And is this an example of one… https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-Lab…AAOxydl5SKM7 A

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Kyrpa thanks so much for answering my questions

I am on the verge of going ahead and buying a US machine I just have a couple more questions

(1) is this a decent gel? https://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-U…Ct/124237167026

(2) you’ve talked about hanging over the thigh, but even though I’m at a BPFSL over over 7 inches now, I still don’t think I’m anywhere near long enough to hang in any position other than BTC. Can you describe what you suggest?

(3) when you talk about US gel pads, are you talking about placing one of these on the applicator itself, and putting your finger on the opposite side, or using the pad instead of your finger on the opposite side? I’m not sure what you are suggesting. And is this an example of one… https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-Lab…AAOxydl5SKM7 A

Regardless of your size, you are perfectly fine doing it OTL. You dont have to literally have a snake going over your quad to the other side. It just means resting your penis on the leg so you can use that tissue as backing medium for the sound waves. In other words, it replaces the gel pad or the fingers on the other side of the penis. For this of course, you twist your penis so the dorsal side rest on the leg, and you apply the heat on the ventral side which in this case will be facing up towards you.

The gel pads Kyrpa is referring to, is a pad that you put on the opposite side of the penis. (opposite to the heat) in order to receive those sound waves on the other side the proper way. With a pad you dont need fingers or leg on the other side.

The reason why the penis is heated on the ventral side is because we are using 1mhz transducers. 1mhz has an effective depth of 2.3-5cm while a 3mhz device has a shorter superficial span depth of 0.8-1.6cm. Technically you can use a 3mhz machine and heat the dorsal side.

I personally do not engage into far experimentation such as trying a different machine, I go by what has been tried and tested. In this case Kyrpa achieved his results with a 1mhz device. Manko was experimenting with a 3mhz device, but we are yet to hear from him again. If it aint broken, why fix it.

I strongly recommend you to read Kyrpa’s log. It is massive, over 100 pages, but all your questions are answered there and you will learn all the details about this technology and therapy.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Forgot to mention the gel, I use the McKesson CLEAR gel. Never had a problem with it. It stays wet, it has the right consistency, easy to clean, last forever. That jug has 5 liters (a little over a gallon)


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

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