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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by S.N.R
Kyrpa, I wanted to say that everything above 43 degrees is felt as if some tissue begins to melt, there is a specific pain that is difficult to convey in words. If I’m not mistaken, the idea of denaturing new collagen bonds was prompted by Tutt’s reasoning.
From interesting things, for users. After overcoming the threshold of 41 degrees, the further increase in temperature in the real scenario is very fast, I can jump from 41 degrees to 44 in just 30-40 seconds, if the concentration is on a relatively small area of the penis (~2x2 cm). And at a high temperature, pain is very clearly felt. After such concentrated, hot workouts, I have ~3% deformation on average always.

Yeah , we are cool with it . It just that there being much more on it we can´t go that deep confirming anything about the mechanics we have no actual knowledge of.
I am not going deeper on it at the moment.

The pain can be felt at above 43C , definitely at 44C. This can be confirmed.

Now what we need to take into concideration is that with the urethral probe concentrating on small area like you described, the local temperature raise can be false alarm. The probe is reflecting the waves and heating the surroundings indicating the sudden peak temperatures .
Both Manko and I have found this happening as well.

The urethra is very pain sensitive for some reason and some of the feelings can be from the local temperature peaks described above.
But even without the urethral probe high temperature pain can be felt but reading from thermocouples between shaft and the leg, the peak temperatures develop much smoother.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by djrobins
“Pain”, is it worse than rice sock being too hot? Thought the US heats inside more? How long does it take to get to 44C? How much length of the shift is heated to near 44C?

Pain is not felt at the skin. For me the peak temperatures can be felt probably at the point the dorsal nerves heat to a certain point.

You meant shaft? Not more area than the tranducer ERA at the time. From all the graphs attached you can see it doesn´t last long. As soon as the transducer moves on, the temperature drops couple of degrees in just 10 to 15 seconds.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Iaintliein
Has anyone used one of these 3mHz units?
https://dupuytrens-contracture.com/…ntracture-hand/

The specifications lack all necessary information.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by S.N.R
My test for measuring the temperature inside the penis during therapy.

Everyone is already familiar with the results of temperature measurements of manko007 and Kyrpa’s, so I will do without further ADO. This will just be another confirmation of the results of these guys.

Method.
The room temperature was set to 24°C on the thermal sensor of the Underfloor heating and maintained for 3 days to stabilize, and accepted as the average, comfortable room temperature. An ultrasonic transducer with an intensity of 1.6 W/cm2 is used as a heating device. The area of the transmitter head is 4.0 cm2. Initially, tests with temperature measurements were already conducted for themselves, but they were not documented. The end of the steel thermocouple was insulated with heat shrink on Kyrpa’s advice. The incoming K-type thermocouple signal was displayed on a multimeter with a temperature processing error of ± 0.1%. The measuring point is located at a distance of 9 cm from the edge of the head, medially on the trunk of the penis. In the heating experiment, the penis was placed in a Penimaster Chrome extender for stretching and a support was created for the entire if in the form of the hand of my mistress assistant. The test procedure was carried out as a demonstrative copy of a typical heat cycle, however, this is just a copy of the results of Kyrpa’s-the penis is stretched out to the sides, laying on the naked, shaved flesh of the thigh. The transducer head is applied ventrally, sending deep-penetrating ultrasonic waves with a frequency of 1 MHz to the dorsal side. To document the results, we used two fixed cameras on a smartphone in video mode (for safety reasons). During installation, the measurement results were read and entered into the table every 5 seconds from the start of therapy.

Results.
Test results are documented at 5-second intervals. I always start my heating from the place that I need, I do not heat the entire trunk at once. Initially, the temperature rise is low both on the multimeter display and on subjective feelings. Struggled to exceed the 39°C threshold as did Kyrpa’s in its test. I was hampered by many things: problems with equipment, gel and assistant. The therapeutic level was maintained from the 8th minute, this is a very fast speed and is close to the studies of the other two. When the transmitter is removed from the heated hearth for 10 seconds, temperature drops are visible. There are also peak temperatures that mean the delay of the transmitter in one place near the tip of the thermocouple, otherwise you might already know this.

Conclusion.

It is obvious that moving the transmitter or a sharp change in the beam path can cause sharp temperature drops of up to 1-3°If you don’t follow the technique, I can confirm it for myself. In fact, you need to keep all your concentration on the penis and the device. Maintaining the entire trunk at a therapeutic temperature throughout the session is challenging. Using a secondary heat source may help, but it still doesn’t rule out instantaneous drops, as other studies have shown.
The results point to similarities found in the Manco and Kirpa tests. The heat produced at a frequency of 1 MHz in the penis shaft tended to fluctuate greatly in the guys, and I went quite smoothly, but I gave myself as much as possible to the surface of the penis. Peaks and lows occur for the effect and heat distribution. Also, at 43+°C, pain is constantly present, protein denaturation and destruction of the incipient covalent bonds of young collagen obviously occurred. Similarly, the resting temperature of at least my if is 32.5°C, which means that therapeutic temperatures for me are reached by gaining as much as 9-10°C additional degrees. But to be honest, all my limbs were cold from some fear.

From 0 minutes to 08:30 minutes the temps are from 32.5 C to 40.0 C, from 08:30 Minutes to 12:15 Minutes the temps are from 40.0 to 44.6 C. From 12:15 to 14:55 temps from 44.6 C to 42.3 C. What was going on with the transmitter head? I assume you left the head still during the 0 minutes to 08:30 minutes, possibly mostly still between 08:30 minutes to 12:15 minutes, and moved it around a bit from 08:30 minutes to 14:55 minutes to stay around the thereputic tempuratures?

Do you know how much of the shaft length was heated to a thereputic tempurature?

So have there been any appropriate 1/3 MHz devices found other than US Pro 2000? I read through the entire thread and couldn’t find any.

Originally Posted by magicman57
So have there been any appropriate 1/3 MHz devices found other than US Pro 2000? I read through the entire thread and couldn’t find any.

Yes there are, each of them on another price level. Cheap Indian manufactured models have not been getting great support at all.

SoundCare Plus Professional

https://www.tenspros.com/assets/ima…9275-Manual.pdf

Sonopulse by Ibramed

https://manualzz.com/doc/6562007/in…e-compact-3-mhz

https://shophysio.com/products/sonopulse-1-and-3-mhz

Therasound Evo by Richmar, high level quality. Low BNR.
https://shop.zonamedequip.com/colle…-evo-ultrasound

This is my pick number one having excellent BNR values as well:

http://www.itocoltd.com/products/us-751/


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Yes there are, each of them on another price level. Cheap Indian manufactured models have not been getting great support at all.

SoundCare Plus Professional

https://www.tenspros.com/assets/ima…9275-Manual.pdf

Sonopulse by Ibramed

https://manualzz.com/doc/6562007/in…e-compact-3-mhz

https://shophysio.com/products/sonopulse-1-and-3-mhz

Therasound Evo by Richmar, high level quality. Low BNR.
https://shop.zonamedequip.com/colle…-evo-ultrasound

This is my pick number one having excellent BNR values as well:

http://www.itocoltd.com/products/us-751/

I need to add that user needs to have rather girthy shaft using Sono Pulse. Having 7 cm^2 ERA the , the diameter of the wavefront is already 3cm and it has to be fully contacted with the skin.
For not to run into troubles using the wand , the ERA of 4- 5 cm^2 would be easier to use.

Also I would not recommend to buy any machine if the BNR value not documented.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Bnr

For the remainder the BNR which we keep on repeating is Beam Non-uniformity Ratio.

It is a ratio between the peak spatial intensity and the average beam intensity. Running with a 1.6w/cm^2 intensity the spatial peaks can be 8 w/cm^2.

It is taken as a standard that ratio staying less than 5:1 the transducer can be considered as a good one.

The lower the BNR the higher quality transducer and the more safely it can be used with higher intensity.

Purchasing a machine not knowing the BNR, you are putting yourself under risks. BNR higher than 8:1 can be classified as hazardous.

Attached links provides a picture of the wavefront with different BNR. The middle one is a reminiscent of the US PRO 2000 (5:1) . Using the spatial peak we can target the septum quite effectively as well.

https://www.minato-med.co.jp/en/pro…mg_sz100_01.gif


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Thats awesome thanks Kyrpa!

hat helps a lot to understand the specs.

I apologize in advance for the noob question, but I just received my unit (US PRO 2000 2nd EDITION) and I want to make sure I’m using it properly

It has a H, M, and L setting. Which is recommended for this application?

Originally Posted by The Dane
I apologize in advance for the noob question, but I just received my unit (US PRO 2000 2nd EDITION) and I want to make sure I’m using it properly

It has a H, M, and L setting. Which is recommended for this application?

Please read Kyrpa’s log for that. If you dont know the setting to be used properly, I assume you dont know also the method of application of the therapy, which can have some risks if you dont know about it. For your own safety go trough the complete log and learn the science and technology behind. It will also benefit you when it comes to tweak and troubleshoot.

August article in support

I was poking around and ran across this study that generally supports the propositions discussed in this long trail, albeit with regard to Peyronie. I studies and confirms some of the protocols developed here by members. https://www.rehabiljournal.com/arti…lled-trial.html

Interesting topic!

Originally Posted by newyorktexan
I was poking around and ran across this study that generally supports the propositions discussed in this long trail, albeit with regard to Peyronie. I studies and confirms some of the protocols developed here by members. https://www.rehabiljournal.com/arti…lled-trial.html

Interesting topic!

Though it is fully concentrated on calcified plaque reduction on penises suffering from Peyronies, which is another scenario than treating healthy tissue with ultrasound.
What we can take from there is the knowledge that treating penis with a ultrasound is concidered being low health risk approach when treating penis.

Even the penises of longterm PE abusers no longer gaining, are not restiricted by scar tissue formation of calcified plaques.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by djrobins
From 0 minutes to 08:30 minutes the temps are from 32.5 C to 40.0 C, from 08:30 Minutes to 12:15 Minutes the temps are from 40.0 to 44.6 C. From 12:15 to 14:55 temps from 44.6 C to 42.3 C. What was going on with the transmitter head? I assume you left the head still during the 0 minutes to 08:30 minutes, possibly mostly still between 08:30 minutes to 12:15 minutes, and moved it around a bit from 08:30 minutes to 14:55 minutes to stay around the therapeutic temperature?

Do you know how much of the shaft length was heated to a therapeutic temperature?


What happened to the head of the transducer?
Nothing supernatural, as usual, led the device under control, in a circle.
If I’m not mistaken, Kyrpa mentioned that once heated to a certain point, the heat begins to spread. It’s easier to maintain. I have a barrel that burns from the inside at 42°C. Here is an important condition, the penis must be very tight to the flesh that rests on. And not just a penis, but a thickening. I have it crashing into the support. With weak contact, even if you use a lot of gel-there is no such heat as if you pressed the penis harder.
The temperature was jumping because I was measuring it in a very uncomfortable position. The penis was in the Penimaster Chrome extender, the strap squeezed the urethra, but I do not complain much about this, my assistant, who is also my lover, caused the most problems. It has been with me for more than 5 years and has gone the way of my increase from 15 BPEL to 18.2. Therefore, temperature jumps are possible. I needed to make sure the right temperatures were visible.

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