Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US

The pads are all the same basically. With only 2 850nm LED’s every few cm(+1 660nm), leading to a low mW/cm²(milliwatts!). Some beauty products have higher but very expensive.

Ordered now 12 pieces 10Watt 850NM" that have 9 LED’s on a 2x2 cm platine. I plan to put 4 on the top and bottom sides of the Pump and 2 on the left right sides, along the length of 20cm. I put the calculation into chatgpt and it gave me 477 mW/cm². Don’t know if its correctly calculated.
I paid ~85€ for that. The smaller the stretched length the less someone will pay lol. If I need more I can just add more platines to cover the whole pump.

It’s a brilliant idea! I’d like to give it a try as well, but I’m not very skilled in electronics. Still, I’d love to experiment with building a vacuum pump that incorporates red infrared light using LED diodes. I think the power calculated by ChatGPT might be slightly overestimated, but I’m not sure how wise it is to exceed 200W/cm². I imagine it could lead to excessive overheating.

Can I contact you privately to ask a couple of questions?

I have been reading some of this thread and finally decided to order IR heat pad on Ali, quite simple, combination of 660 nm and 850 nm.
My initial idea was to use it for water pumping, however, I am not using water as of now and the head pad is covering with dust.

Is there any know/how for using it directly into penis? Should I use some sort of material between the pad and the skin of the penis? Any specific "routine" for heating up/down with the pad? Time frames?
As heat up and heat down I use simple cup of hot water, every one minute changing water for warmer one. I know it heats quite decent but right now I am thinking, that maybe internal shaft is not so well heated as it could be with IR

Would love to receive some guidance how to use it and what to look after. Water seems safer for me but IR seems more promising.

Hi Galander,
Yes, there are a few precautions to follow. You need to place the pad directly on the penis, wrapping it around, but be careful not to damage the LEDs. If you wrap the pad too tightly, you could risk breaking them over time. After that, use the layer (if provided with the NIR device) to create a separation between the LEDs and the skin. Remember to wash it before use!

I recommend using it for 30 minutes at level 5 (if the device has levels) at 850 nm, which promotes angiogenesis. Be cautious about the heat, especially since I don’t know exactly what type of NIR device you’ve ordered from Aliexpress. If you can, send me the link: I have several NIR devices from Aliexpress, so I can give you better advice!

If the NIR has already heated the penis to a high temperature, avoid further heating to prevent overloading it. Otherwise, warm up with hot water before using the NIR.

If you need anything else, feel free to ask!

Appreciate the answer!

https://pl.alie xpress.com/item … ayAdapt=glo2pol
That’s what I ordered,

Two things I didn’t get precisely:
1) You mention to use it directly on the penis but later say, that I actually need a layer over a penis and a heat pad.
2) Do you recommend using it for 30 mins before and after PE routine or as an addition, outside the routine? 2x 30 mins sounds excessive

The NIR device you ordered from AliExpress already comes with a built-in protective layer that separates the LED diodes from direct contact with the skin of the penis. You don’t need to do anything special: just clean it carefully before each use. I recommend using a paper towel soaked in alcohol, making sure to avoid touching the LED diodes.

Don’t worry about the thickness of the protective layer, which measures 0.2 mm: infrared light at 850 nm penetrates tissues without any issues. This layer primarily serves to protect the skin from excessive heat and prevent potential damage, as the LEDs in your device can reach temperatures above 45°C after about 20 minutes of use.

As for the therapy method, there are no definitive guidelines: the only general recommendation is not to exceed 30 minutes of exposure per day. Personally, I always use it before workouts and take two rest days per week. Some prefer to use it during vacuum pump sessions for 30 minutes, others split it into 15 minutes pre-workout and 15 minutes post-workout, and some use it exclusively after training. In short, experiment to find the routine that works best for you!

Excellent, really appreciate the accurate explanation, nothing more than start using it finally!

Glad I could help!

However, I’d like to recommend a better NIR pad that you can purchase for the same price: NIR - AliExpress .

Why is it better?

1. It allows you to choose the type of therapy (660nm or 850nm) separately, avoiding the combined mode that uses both wavelengths at the same time. This is why the pad you’re using gets hotter compared to the one I’m suggesting.
2. It has 5 adjustable power levels, allowing you to customize the intensity of the therapy and, if needed, expose yourself to the light without generating excessive heat.
3. It comes with a removable protective layer, making cleaning safe and easy, while preventing direct contact with the LEDs.
4. It has a power output of over 100W/cm², ensuring good performance.

Here, however, I’m showing you the results of the temperature test I conducted for this pad, which are significantly lower compared to those of the pad you purchased (yes, I accidentally bought it on Amazon without checking AliExpress first):

For more information, I recommend checking my post in the Italian section!
Il mio primo dispositivo NIR: foto e recensione

Have a nice day Gala!

I’ve been trying the vertica for radiofrequency. Has anyone have any tips on using this for decon in lieu of shockwave?

I use it for preheat but I don’t gain any more BPFSL strain% from doing a diy phalback method. Hoping tutts will give his 2c

Interesting thought on radio frequency itouchedyou69. Never heard of shockwave, could you be talking about ultrasound or is that really a "thing"?

I got into NIR/FIR because of this thread.. By the way, I’ve done NIR/FIR full body for nearly a year now, and it’s fantastic for improving the look and tightness of my skin, and for workout recovery & I believe it’s helped PE recovery as well. Nothing crazy, but I’ve made solid gains that at least for me, are faster than my historical length gains without NIR/FIR, possibly twice as fast (as far as length gains go, I seem to be a hard gainer & grow more slowly than most others).

Tutt has been experimenting with radiofrequency. It is its own thing.

I use both the radiofrequency, totalman or the Chinese pad for warmup and I get all the same strain %.

I’m thinking to best use the radiofrequency for collagen turnover during decons instead of warmup. But I’m not the most knowledgeable on it, I also bought it for EQ benefits during decon.

There’s another user who recently started a post about radiofrequency, inspired by Kyrpa, who is undergoing a therapy with Vertica. Do some research, you should be able to find it. He also seems open to discussions and answering questions in his post!

I am he. I found out through support that I have not been reaching a consistent 39-42c with the app.

Rather reaching temps I can easily get thru the Fir pad. It’ll be a learning curve.

Still unsure if I want to use such temps as a warmup to my interval pumping, Phalback style.

Shockwave, more accurately known as low intensity extracorporeal shock wave therapy (Li-ESWT; sometimes just Li-SWT) is a proven treatment technique to combat ED. It is not ultrasound and it is not a TENS unit. There are many commercial applications of this, Gainswave being just one of them. There are several threads from members who discuss their treatments, many of whom have purchased their own eswt unit, myself included.

Some have postulated eswt could be beneficial as a PE tool, but I am unaware of anyone having success in that application when eswt was the sole tool or technique being used. I think you might find a member posting PE success using eswt along with other traditional methods (jelqing, stretching, pumping, hanging, etc), but was it the eswt or the stretching?

My strong belief based on hundreds of eswt applications and reading other member’s experiences is that eswt is singularly a tool for ED.

Note also that there are scams and junk equipment on the market so do your research before spending any money in this space.

I think kyrpa was using it during decons to promote collagen turnover. To cut the decon time in half.

He lost BPFSL which he was okay with. But he disappeared soon after.