Hanging with FIRe

Again, you are missing the nuance in this routine. It isn’t just add heat. Read 5.5’s post, all the links within, and come back. Otherwise I’m ignoring you.

It is alright to be uninformed. But this does not help anyone.
Please understand what Kyrpa has said regarding therapeutic heat range.
And then I am excited to see how you get to 42C urethral heat with a rice sock.
I am thinking you may be trolling us here because your claim is that outrageous.

I would go as far to say that in this routine, heat is secondary. It accelerates growth, but I think the meat of the routine is the measured load and decon breaks. The collagen proliferation longerstretch talks about. And it’s all based off of established science of connective tissue. And then kyrpa found a study on the actual tunica, not just rat tail tendons, and the study ALIGNED WITH EMPIRICAL DATA HE ALREADY PLOTTED. And then he came up with the load calculator, and 5.5 put his numbers and guess what, it returned the weight range he was already using and having success with.

“Just add heat” is not the answer here. In fact, this method goes AGAINST adding heat as a warm up. Yes, guys have had success with already established routines. So what? Is exercise science not a thing? Are body builders not much more efficient today than in the past?

I very politely disagree, StrangerComeKno. If you read all of Kyrpa’s posts you will see therapeutic heat is absolutely critical.
It can deliver the significant mm of the additional stretch between not gaining at all and gaining. Besides, the heat alone leads to permanent elongation of the tissue while under the right load.

Kyrpa again: “Increase of tissue temperature shifts the oxygen-hemoglobin dissociation curve to the further which means releasing more oxygen for tissue repair.Hemoglobin releases twice as much O2 when tissue temperature is 41C (106F), than at resting temperature.”

I used Kyrpa’s method as one of the first guys and my switch from IR lamp to ultrasound is the sole and only reason why I still gain as a hardgainer.
There a dozens of additional quotes, but I think I made a point.

Fair enough. I agree heat is very important to the effectiveness of the routine. My main point was we now have a tunica based study to calculate required load off of. Add that to the science behind regular decon breaks, and seems like you have the recipe for gaining. The progressive overload method (which is what I followed for a year under BIB’s guidance), is just strengthening the collagen as it continues to proliferate in the direction aligned with the load. Yeah, you can add more weight to overcome that, but once I got to 15lbs my wrapping and hanging technique just could not accommodate that. I know that’s a me problem, and other guys have better technique, but reading these forums it seems to be a pretty common problem once you get to higher weights.

I am not trolling anybody. Look, I have made 2 inches in gains since I started (2018) and I can honestly tell you I have tried just about everything. My point after reading multiple threads from some of these authors is that they put out multiple variables.

is it the heat?
is it the longer TUT (time under tension) with lower weight?
Is it the days off?
Is it the decon?
Or how about all this is just newbie gains?

Most of these authors have been around for a year or two. That to me is newbie gains. Funny how each one had their gains drop off (slow down) after a few months.

I am not trolling and you can do what you want with your junk. I am just saying maybe, just maybe, you don´t have to heat your penis to the point it hits 42C in your urethra to make gains. Just saying.

Some guys are easy gainers, some guys are hard gainers. No one single PE technique works for everyone - if one doesnt work for you then try another. The US technique as described by Kyrpa et al seems to be a game changer for those guys who are hard gainers. It may even work for someone who has gained but then plateaued using another technique. Time will tell.

Spot on. Just because someone has gained the most does not NECESSARILY mean he has the best strategy.
gomitadelimon, you can be incredibly happy for your tremendous gains. Most people will never ever reach 2 inches of gains, let alone in this reasonable time frame. Let alone with the strategy you used.
Be assured I would not even reach 1 inch if I did what you did. Funny thing is I did EVERYTHING exactly the same but used an IR lamp instead of US. and guess what. Did not gain anything in months and months, even after a decon. Now with US the gains are exactly like Kyrpa predicted and I am currently gaining.
I understand why you think the way you do. But you have to take an outside POV. From your great genetics away to the people who have it hard to gain at all.
I will make one final point and then I think everything is said so far.
The science supports Kyrpa and tutt. Everything they say is reasonable and logical. I am not a fanboy. If you read what they propose objectively, it makes sense. So, the theory is on their side. There never come arguments with their depth of understanding of the subject.
I want to say this in the nicest way possible, but from a neutral POV your argument is very subjective.

See, here we are talking a completely different thing when you talk about US (ULTRA SOUND) as compared to a IR lamp or infra red heat pad. Anybody that has had to do some PT for any joint or muscle injury knows that they use a US machine to break up deep scar tissue in the deep muscle. That makes more sense. That is not what the OP of this thread is promoting.

I am saying that a heat lamp or a IFR heat pad will do no better than a rice sock.

A heated rice sock may be about as good as a normal non FIR or NIR heating pad but I dont think you should be throwing out blanket statements about how they work the same when all you have is anecdotal evidence at best.

There are volumes of studies and data in the benefits of infrared. Even if its not directly relating to PE uses.

And no one is suggesting infrared is better than ultrasound for this proposed method but it very well seems to be more affordable and accessible.

Ultrasound > infrared/radiant > convection is my understanding of most to least effective.

You’re fortunate enough to have gained using a heat sock but exception =/= rule.

I am just going to copy/paste this from another forum.

“The most important priority should be safety. Because of the sensitive nature of the genitals, you’ll need to use just enough heat with enough duration to get the job done. As I stated in my last post of this thread, I think the hot soak (at constant temperature) would be the most effective way of doing that without getting too complicated and keeping safety in mind. An IR lamp and hot showers may get the job done, but they won’t be as effective as the how soak (or even the hot wrap). A well constructed rice sock will give you the ease of use while offering many of the benefits of the hot soak.

Ultrasound may have it’s benefits, but I wouldn’t recommend using it for PE warm ups unless you’re absolutely sure of the possible consequences.”-Big AL

I have been looking up ultra sound use on the penis and I think that DIY is not the way to go with something that can cause you damage if you don´t know how to use it properly. Lot worse things in this world than having what you think is a small penis. One that does not work is MUCH worse.

Which brings us around to infrared heating pads being arguably much safer than ultrasound even if not as effective. But still an infrared heating pad is going to be more if not much more effective than a heated rice sock.

I feel like you didn’t read the thread. This isn’t just about heating as hot as possible.

Its about reaching the ideal temperature and maintaining it for the heated portion of a stretch.

I have read the thread. 15 warm-up, 30 minute heat, 15 minute cool down. I get it. I also get the other variables such as the stress-strain, measuring the BPFSL, decons , 5/2 day split…etc

I guess when somebody says this is the BEST strategy it is normal to have others question that strategy and to see if it has any holes.

So what do we know? Really? You can try a rice sock. It is the least expensive if at all (old sock + some rice). If it doesn’t´t work you can go spend your $40-70 on the infra red heating pad. Just google “exposure to infrared radiation on skin” or “EMF levels from infra red heating pads” before you buy it so you are informed. Do you really think the guy making them in china cares about your health? BTW, have you read some of the reviews? Seems like they don´t last long so be ready to purchase multiple pads. If that does not work then you ultra sound. Not cheap by any means and probably a good reason since this type of machines should be operated by somebody trained in their use.

Hey, I am not trying to be a jerk, But I think it is fair that everything is put on the table. Pros and cons. As I have always said, you can do whatever you want with your junk. I hanged 20 LB off my junk and I know that is not normal.

I don’t think anyone is saying this is the best. A method that was worked for some people has been put forward for others to see. They can use it, take some ideas from it or ignore it. Same as all threads on here.

On heating. There are many pros and cons of each heating method. I started with a rice sock but didn’t like how it is really hot to the touch but didn’t seem to penetrate well also having to go to the microwave to heat it was a down side. I hang while working from home so I can’t move about much due to meetings so this lead me to use a pad. Everyone has their own pros and cons on what heating approach to use.
On the safety of infra read heating pads I haven’t seen anything to point to any dangers, they are recommended and used by woman on their abdominal during their periods. If you have some information on the dangers of their use send it on, it would be good to read it.

On what do we really know, the answer is very little unfortunately. There is no one approach that will work for everyone. If you look at the scientific studies in

The characteristics of the tunica albuginea revisited

You will see massive differences in the strength of the TA and therefore this translates directly to different approaches needed to influence it’s size and in some cases the TA my be too strong.

We just have to try things till we get something that works and see how long we can make it work.

Today was my first day using scienceguy’s setup.
Everything went really smooth straight from the beginning.
With the IR gun I was able to replicate the exact same data SG produced.
For 10 minutes I used the high setting (red), after that the medium setting (blue).
For the cooldown at the end, the lowest setting (green).
I reached 42C measured with the IR gun multiple times during the treatment.

I really hope StrangerComeKno can finally clarify how good these IR guns are,
but everything looks incredibly promising so far. If the IR pad SG proposed works better than Totalman
even, and I believe that, we should be good to go.
There is no magic to Ultrasound. The only magic is that it has been demonstrated to help us reach 42C.
But if we can also achieve that by IR, I prefer this passive and low-effort approach.