Hanging with FIRe

No.. THANK YOU! It hasn’t fallen on deaf ears on my part.

-EightInchEnvy

I looked at both Glossaries and didn’t find any definition for US. What is US?

Thanks,

-EightInchEnvy

Ultrasound

Thanks! Maybe we can get a Mod to add that to both Glossaries?

-EightInchEnvy

I read this thread and 5.5squared’s log twice, and I have a few questions

5.5^2 suggests starting with 18oz cold, 36oz heat, 48 oz cooldown, so I’ll start with that.

I’ll add 6oz whenever strain gets below 2% and both pre and post BPSFL stagnates.

How does the .1MPa and .17MPa from the load calculator factor in?
My numbers are pretty much the same as 5.5^2
.1MPa = 3.4lbs (54.4 oz)
.17MPa = 5.8lbs (92.8 oz)

I see that 5.5^2’s suggested starting weights are below the .1MPa threshold.

Does that mean that whenever I load .1MPa (3.4lbs) or higher, I should have the heat on, but it isn’t a waste of time to see what gains can be had with lower weights and heat?

And is .17 MPa the maximum weight I should ever load, even for cooldown?
I was confused on why we look at .1MPa and .17MPa, when the load calculator says that .17MPa is the start of the elastic range.

.1MPa is your non heated max, and .17MPa is your heated max. Ideally you would begin adding weight once you are brought up to therapeutic temp (40C+ I believe, maybe 42C+). So what 5.5 did was turn the pad on after I think the 10 minute mark to give it 20 minutes to get heated up, and then he began incrementally adding weight until he reached his .17MPa weight. For cooldown, add another 20% - 25% of your .17MPa weight.

The non heated step is not a waste of time as that’s allowing your tissue to go through stress-relaxation to accumulate strain. Adding the heat is what allows your tissue to strain further, without going into the plastic deformation zone I THINK. I’ve read all these links at least 5 times, and I think I understand it. The steps I do, but the reasons I may be off a bit.

As SCK mentioned the steps are something like this.

1. Start at .10 MPa low figure
2. Add weight till .10 MPa high figure
3. Begin heating
4. Add weight till .17 MPa low figure
5. Add weight till .17 MPa high figure
6. Remove heat and Add 20% to 25% of 17 MPa high figure weight for cool down.

I believe that’s correct at least.

So, if someone could help me out and break it down like it’s my first time in class and I don’t know anything. (I didn’t do well in school, and I understand some of the concepts, but my brain really hurts after reading all this and trying to put it together. Lol)

So I used Kyrpa’s Load Calculator. My FG is 11.5cm or 115mm. My calculator looks like this after just inputting the 115mm number:

C1 115 mm
C2 87.7 mm
A1 1052.9 mm^2
Stress 0.17 MPa
A2 179.3 mm^2
F 30.5 N
L 3.1 Kg
L 6.8 Lbs
TAs 2.04 mm
A3 179.8237697 mm
F 30.6 N
L 3.1 Kg
L 6.9 Lbs

1. So does the 6.9lbs mean that is my max weight to attain at the end of 1 year?

2. If #1. Is true, what would be a good way to divide the weight out? Considering 5.5Squared Decon break schedule?

3. @5.5Squared - When you said Decoy weights, were you talking those Duck Decoy Weights/Mushroom Weights that you can hang onto the TotalMan Nylon Plate Hanger with fishing wire/zip ties? Lol

-EightInchEnvy

The weight returned at .17Mpa is your heated max. You need to change the .17MPa to .1MPa to get your non heated max. Then follow the routine outlined a few posts up.

The reason you see 6.8lb and 6.9lb is two different methods of calculating the weights.

Okay.. Here’s what it says now:

C1 115 mm
C2 87.7 mm
A1 1052.9 mm^2
Stress 0.1 MPa
A2 179.3 mm^2
F 17.9 N
L 1.8 Kg
L 4.0 Lbs
TAs 2.04 mm
A3 179.8237697 mm
F 18.0 N
L 1.8 Kg
L 4.0 Lbs

** 1.) Also one of my initial questions didn’t get answered re: the above calculator: So does the 4.0lbs. Mean that is my max weight to attain at the end of 1 year? I’m not understanding.
** 2.) I’m also seeing an above post with 0.10Mpa. I’m not understanding that either. Perhaps I’m not grasping the whole MPa concept and how to figure which number to use when. (I.e. 0.1, 0.10, 0.17MPa)
** 3.) Which might be answered based on what you said a moment ago: “Then follow the routine outlined a few posts up.” (Forgive me for asking [I hate it when my brain is so damn friggin’ literal], “Which post from today and what time?”)

Thanks,
-EightInchEnvy

I wouldn’t be stressing the load calculator too much, it is great work but there is lots of estimation in there. Best to start light as described at the start of this thread and gradually build up. You will find what works and take it from there.

Ahhhh.. The voice of reason! Don’t overthink it! Lol

Thanks scienceguy!

-EightInchEnvy

But don’t expect gains if you hang 1 kg even if you use heat.

I understand that this is a marathon, not a race. Here’s my immediate goal right now. I am new. I don’t get most of the whatever calculations. That’s fine. But I can’t figure out my pre, mid, and post workout weights. I don’t know what the mid and post workout weights should be.

“Assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups” However, if I am reading the threads right.. 5.5Squared sez, “Add 6oz to 8ozs/0.37lbs-0.50lbs.every 2-3 weeks”

So, lol, does this mean to use:

1.) 0.75lbs.throughout for the first 2-3 weeks?
- 15 mins @ 12oz/0.75lbs. Cold
- 30 mins @ 12oz/0.75lbs. **heat
- 15 mins @ 12oz/0.75lbs. Cool down

Or

2.) Add 6oz-8oz. @ the 30, 15 minute marks and do that for 2-3 weeks?
- 15 mins @ 12oz/0.75lbs. Cold 0.75lbs. + 6oz/0.375lbs - 8oz/0.50lbs.
- 30 mins @ 20oz/1.25lbs. **heat (0.50lbs. Difference added @ 8oz.)
- 15 mins @ 28oz/1.75lbs. Cool down (w/ Thermal pad removed) (diff. Of 0.50lbs added @ 8oz.)

Also there is the question of the ADS. The TotalMan package I bought came with the ADS stretcher that you can attach the vacuum cup to it. The following question I would have based on reading everything so far is (directed @5.5Squared or @Kyrpa:

3.) If perhaps what I read is correct, if you had already went to fatigue using the start of Cycle 2, are you already done for the day?
3a.) Or do you put yourself in the vacuum ADS afterwards?
3b.) If 3a. Is true, then for how long (how many hours) in the ADS?
3c.) How much tension do you use in the vacuum ADS?
3d.) If you are in the ADS, do you use heat with it, or do you ADS cold?

-EightInchEnvy

EightInchEnvy, I would recommend you also read 5.5Squared’s log.

5.5Squared Log

And it wouldn’t hurt to re-read the first page of this thread as well.

The answers are there.