Buckfever's Post Collagen Remodeling Theory Journal

5/21/2021

60 minutes @ 100% session tension at 15 minutes

Continued improved glans condition at end of session and session well tolerated. This was a good week with 4 continuous days at 100% tension. Right now it’s looking real good to wrap this up next Friday and switch to maintenance and start the long deconditioning phase.

The goal will be to keep the extender length fixed at the point that has been gained now, with the least amount of volume. As indicated I expect that process to remain active for sometime as further stress relaxation effects are realized in the short run as this extender stretched length has only been recently achieved. With the position fixed over time the tension in the system will diminish and the decrease in volume will allow more thorough healing.

I’m largely convinced that an extended period of remodeling will allow additional gains, however I am also suspicious that there are limits, or diminishing returns, which are genetic structural limitations. But that is an intuitive assertion and I don’t really know one way or the other.

But it is hard to ignore that there is no incidence of a rate of gains that is indefinite here where I suppose the interest could not be higher.

If again after ~ 8 months of deconditiong another 1-1.5cm of max stretched extender length are quickly realized, then maybe the case for diminishing returns or at least the rate of diminishing returns is undermined.

At this point it’s a curiosity and it’s one of the reasons that while I do want to explore VED for the potential improved health effects, I’m going to wait till after the next campaign so as not to introduce another variable to this experiment.

Got a date night lined up tomorrow and I got some ideas LOL. The anticipation is as good as the getting.

5/23/2021

60 minutes @ 100%, session tension at 19 minutes.

I got distracted so was delayed in adding tension. The cradle broke when we got started today, fortunately I had bought back ups. At some point I should look into a more robust cradle offering.

Some will notice that this thread is back on the public side. I’m going to be forthright here. I practiced taking pictures and with the extender in the lowered position which is what I have been monitoring, the penis looked ridiculously long. I think in that max stretched position and with the angle that is needed to capture the full base to tip picture, it exaggerates the appearance of length and I was just not comfortable posting that up.

I will be taking pictures for my records here as we conclude this campaign to record an accurate end point and will report the findings here soon.

Some of you know my feelings that I think that today’s society has an anti-masculine bias and that the current gender neutral narrative that is being promoted, IMO is severely flawed. I see most of my friends suffering greatly in their relationships, in being able to attract women and in being able to have the kind of sexual relationship they desire and IMO it is completely unnecessarily. And I don’t see that it has worked out so great for my female friends either.

All these false narratives do not change the underlying hard wiring of attraction. And we don’t actually have to take a stand against it, we simply have to not yield to it. I think it is a worthwhile discussion to have.

However with that said, I’m not going to engage in these discussions anymore outside of this thread. It seems that I have a talent for being misunderstood and I have no interest in inciting reactions of any sort.

5/24/2021

39.5 minutes @ 100% session tension at 17 minutes

5/25/2021

48 minutes @ 100% session tension at 15 minutes

5/26/2021

37 minutes @ 100% session tension at 15 minutes

Glans tissues started complaining, maybe a bad attachment, didn’t want to take any chances so I shut it down. If all goes well will get a final measurement on Friday.

I’m including a PM here that captures my plan for the following year:

“So I’ve been thinking about your question regarding the ultrasonic. The cost is really not an issue at all so it’s something that I would find interesting to explore but it would be a matter of timing. I have this theory that once whatever accommodation available is realized, if we allow for remodeling of the tissues without using too much force so as to strengthen the structure, more accommodation should be available, up to whatever the structural genetic limits are.

So I have 3 theories here, a genetic structural hard limit, the need for remodeling before further accommodation and that there is a strengthening response that is realized when there is too much load applied.

I am just about done with the current campaign and will transition to maintenance although truly I sort of am there already. In order to further validate the remodeling theory I need to wait the 6+ months to run another campaign to see if more accommodation is available and the degree of diminishing returns to get a qualitative confirmation of a hard limit.

Now at that point it would be very interesting to apply the ultrasonic treatment to the structure and see what happens. It’s very tempting to do that right now BUT I don’t want to add variables to my inquiry.

After that based on all the research I’ve read it’s very hard to not believe that the use of the VED is nothing but helpful for penis health when used conservatively.

So my expectation is that a year from now. both the ultrasonic and the VED(pumping) will be explored.”

5/27/2021

60 minutes @ 100% session tension at 15 minutes.

I was able to get the picture of the steel tape measure at the glans as I have been monitoring the length with the extender in the down position and it clearly posted 22.5cm but also clearly short of 23cm which is a tight enough measure to gauge future progress. It is no easy thing to take a picture that is for sure, keeping everything stable with one hand and trying to get the focus and the right angle with the other hand is not easy. But I emailed myself the picture so I have it for future reference.

This campaign lasted ~ 200 days and IMO was way longer than it should have been. Some of that was sorting out obtaining a more secure attachment, some of that was with pushing too high a tension with multiple daily sessions and compromising the the condition of the glans creating set backs.

There is no question that the relationship between volume and tension needs to be modulated and that controlling the variables is very important in consistent progress.

This campaign yielded ~ 1.5cm of additional gain, my initial campaign which included a preponderance of newbie gains or the regaining age related lost length was a gain of ~4 cm for a total of 5.5cm of gains of max stretched length in the extender as measured in the down position from the end of the base to the tip of the glans with the exact same steel tape measure. As a reminder this measurement scheme was an intuitive decision prior to arriving at Thunders and knowing anything about proper measuring or anything about PE for that matter.

I’ll switch to maintenance in earnest tomorrow. And all I’m looking to do is to maintain the 22+cm with as little tension as possible and with as little volume as possible. My thinking is to keep sessions right at that 30 minutes of time under tension for the same 6 sessions a week OR 40 minutes of time under tension for 3 sessions a week.

The plan is to do another campaign after allowing 6+ months for remodeling.

This concludes this campaign.

I will check in from time to time to respond to answer questions and to return PMs.

Wishing you all the greatest of success in all respects!

Congratulations on completion of a successful campaign. I’ll be interested to know if your intended maintenance routine retains your gains over the next 6 months.

Enjoy summer!

7/29/2021

Just a note. Here during the maintenance period I have been experimenting with different protocols and have been unable to replicate the strain achieved with 2 sessions with at least a 30 minute break in between, with any combination of duration and tension for a single session.

I’ll continue to experiment however my thinking is towards figuring out the most efficient combination of 2 sessions.

So I finished comparing the various 2 session protocols. And discovered that in order to achieve the same terminal strain after 2 sessions the first session needed to be 100% tension for 45 minutes or alternatively the first session at 75% tension needed to go for 60 minutes. In both cases a second session of 50% tension for 45 minutes produced similar terminal strains. All other protocols in which the tension/duration of the first session was reduced produced lessor terminal strains after 2 sessions.

And 2 sessions produced a greater terminal strain than one. Although in fairness a single session was never held for more than 60 minutes total.

My completely anecdotal conclusion is that 2 sessions separated by a rest period lead to greater terminal strain at least in the case where heat is not used to relax the tissues.

My conclusion also is that tension needs to be towards the higher end of what is available in an extender at least for the first session. It seems that the first treatment prepares the tissues for further relaxation in the second session.

The other conclusion is that IMO it takes very little for maintenance as I can take many days off and return to previous max terminal length. Something I may further explore but I imagine 2-3 treatments a week would suffice.

The other thing that I would mention is how much I prefer maintenance over the active periods as the EQ and condition of the tissues rapidly improve in a very satisfying way. We’ll see come December probably take a final run at it.

Ok back to hibernation and maintenance.

Thanks for sharing Buck!

All feedback is positive for all of us.

An interesting read and the Restorex study was interesting also but I can’t help but think 2x 30mins at high tension is essentially just the same as a couple of hanging sets per day and the general consensus with hanging is 10+hrs per week is best, or am I missing something here?

No you’re not. On the Peyronies forum a Dr. Trost email exchange which was shared with permission, disclosed that when it came to length gains the 90 minute group had slightly greater results which would put that at over 10+ hours/week. He said he could not comment as to whether additional time would lead to additional length gains as they did not test it and he noted that based on their sample, compliance would be challenging.

That said there is a limit to the max load that can be generated in an extender even the Restorex. My completely anecdotal opinion is that too much load can be used with hanging.

10/11/2021

Maintenance had been minimal, 12 sessions total for August and September.

But some interesting observation none the less.

The lowest load that achieves the maximal terminal strain in an hour, has resulted in enhanced EQ that is almost painful as is the climax. Like when we were young.

Feels like a good way to approach finding the treatment that maximizes EQ, but I suspect also marks the point that needs to be slightly breached for therapeutic effects.

I think you are correct.