Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I just read through old threads and thought that “man, that’s medieval shit”. Hard full force manual stretching and hard jelqing. Many reported about 1” gain and then nothing more no matter what. And many report injuries also. Me myself being one of them going that high force route. It’s great to see that knowledge has improved and PE approach developed. I actually intuitively thought that under proper heat slow and suprisingly low force can achieve results IF tissues have not been toughened with high force shit.

Sorry to ask more basic stuff in midst of this advanced pe talk. If one does extender session, lets say 2h with 2kg and with max heat tolerable to skin and gets some micrometer magnitude gains from it. Would it be useless to use ads with very low 1 kg or lower tension for 8-10h without heat in addition to that 2kg extender session? My thought behind that is to cement those minor gains “heal in extended state” that were possibly gained from session with heat and slightly higher force.

My opinion is that this is one of the biggest misconceptions in PE. It seems intuitive at first, and I actually agreed with the concept at one point. However, the literature suggests that the result of ADS and attempting to heal in extended state is that of toughened up the tissues. If permanent elongation is largely due to fibril sliding, one must recognize that the bonds that released to allow the sliding are reformed nearly immediately as the tissue cools.

The idea of using ADS to cement gains is actually then just applying non-physiological stress to the pens in continuous fashion. We already know what happens when you do this; increases tissue density and tissue stiffening. That is exactly opposite what you want to happen. My advice is to get yourself a US device and complete a smart treatment and then leave your penis alone until the next treatment. The biggest problem with PE to this point is that people are overworking the tissues. Guaranteed plateau.

Nothing to add. The concept is to produce a displacement during the heat, cool it while extended state. Then leave it alone.
Doing this as infrequently as possible for three months would be optimal. Then you leave the PE for couple of months and start all over again.

Thanks a lot for answers. That explained it completely. It seems that before many have been overworking a lot. And heat is critically important for gains.

What about suspensory ligament stretch. Is there different rules and more time under tension can give some extra gains? Like wearing extender 12h instead of 2h. Or hanging 1h instead of 20min. Or is it the same that in one session, gains are made quickly and more in that same session is just useless or even counter productive? I assume we are talking totally different mechanism with susp lig gains and real shaft lengthening. Different kind of tissues.

What if we used a rod extender with heat all day? Would that be better than extending alone?

There is substantially no difference between ligaments and the TA in the shaft. They have the same physiological response to stress. The difficulty with the ligs is that they are hard to heat thoroughly while avoiding the prostate, testes, etc. Also, the ligs are crazy thick compared to the TA. For me, I don’t even worry about the ligs. Shaft growth is the focus. Excessive lig stretch results in things like turkey neck, shaft hair, and potentially floppy erections. That said, for someone who starts below average at just 4-5” BPEL, I can understand if they want to pursue whatever gains they can get. It’s pretty easy to get 1/2 to 1” inch out of the ligs. But keep in mind, stretching the ligs by pulling from the glans will cause your future shaft gains to plateau faster, because it takes a fairly high load to stretch the ligs compared to what we are using for the shaft. If you really want lig gains, you might try techniques like fowfers that can be done in a way that there is very little stress on the shaft.

Thank you again for answer.
What I had in mind asking about lig gains and if it has different mechanism than real shaft length gain, was that many people have gained length +1” with quite different methods. Extender, hanging and manual stretching. And if real shaft length gain is quite difficult to get without proper heat and proper amount and speed of force. Are vast majority of length gains with old methods actually ligament gains and are lig gains easier to get even without +39c heat? Because I doubt that majority of extender users don’t use heat at all and if hangers use they don’t have +39c in tissues and still gained up to 2”.

And example with extender there seems to be better results if one can use it for longer time per day, example 10h vs 2h. And hanging bib said had noticed that over 10h a week and “riding the fatique” produced better results than under 10h. Is this just like you said that at first more time under tension can produce faster gains, but quickly leads to hard gainer state because of tissue toughening?

There is actually some data that over 4h extender use was associated with greatly diminished returns, almost nothing was gained 10h vs 4h. But I don’t know how valid is that. Someone had collected that data from forums.

Consider it this way. Your penis is actually like double the length that you see. Since most manual PE is pretty violently stretching the inner penis, outer, ligs, and pelvic floor, it isn’t particularly difficult to achieve an initial 1-2cm of gains. This is especially true because of how most men masturbate. A huge majority of men contract the pelvic floor while masturbating and don’t ever stretch it back out. So between loosening up the pelvic floor and ligs, the inner and outer penis are able to slide out a bit further from the pubic bone, which is where we measure from. So this would be better referred to as increased range of motion, because it isn’t really gains in the truest sense of the word. I suspect that those unable to get even newbie gains just didn’t have bound up pelvic floor and ligs to begin with like most do.

But the point still remains. The ligs are just like other ligaments and tendons. Pull on them repeatedly, especially while cold, and within 2 weeks the body will begin a response to start toughening them up. This response takes about 8 weeks to fully materialize and after that time it becomes much harder to gain. This is why the newbie routines promoted here only last 8-12 weeks. After that, the tissues have stiffened and densified and much more force is needed to get any results.

Literature suggests that with fast cold strain, about 2-3% is typical, which along the entire average penis is gonna be about 0.5-1.0cm. Throw in some increased range of motion and a total of 1-2cm is typical newbie gains. And within 12 weeks the person has just likely ensured they won’t be able to get any more gains without at least a 6 month decon. It’s highly counterproductive.

Very well explained. Thank you.

I am sorry to ask these basic questions. It’s quite big thread and I am at page 40/123. There is term cyclic stretching or “cyclical strain beyond the proportionality limit”, that is done under high heat after reaching elastic limit with lower force. What does cyclic stretching mean in practise?

Another question about penile bodybuilding / kegels against stretch.

How you do this cyclic fulcrum stretch? I know and have done constant manual fulcrum stretches. Example 1 min constant stretch.

Would there be any benefit to kegel against known load and trying to progress in load. Example with elastic bands?

I found it early on thread. I had missed it. Sorry.

Cyclic stress in general: Stressing the tissues with series of loading and unloading patterns in a determined frequency with a chosen load.
When using this with stretching it means we will be producing strain on the penis in cyclical fashion.

What I mean with cyclic stretching is that :
- I stretch the penis applying the load in a controlled fashion during 15 seconds ramp.
- Then I hold the stretch for another 15 seconds.
- Then I release the stretch completely for 15 second.
I repeat this pattern for 10 minutes and/or minimum of 10 loading and unloading phases.

So there is nothing new, it is what manual stretching is by nature.

These I yet did not find answer.

The answer to above question was there. Thread is so long that most questions have been answered, just have to search hard enough.

I have a fairly straightforward question for Kyrpa, and anyone else who has followed this same protocol.

My question is, do we know that this method is actually lengthening the shaft/tunica, and not lengthening the ligs?

What I mean is, has anyone actually measured this and can say for sure that this lengthens the penis and not just the ligs or something else?

I ask because I’m not keen on stretching my ligs much further, and if there is genuinely a way to lengthen the penis shaft, I think that makes more sense to almost everyone (unless you have super tight ligs)

Cheers.

It needs to be confirmed with a before and after dobbler scans. Nobody have done that.

But yes, several guys having really tight restricting “steel cord” putting all the heating efford on this portion have succeeded already.
So I am positive we can gain actual shaft length gains with a deep heat application.