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Kyrpa: You don’t see any benefit of staying in constant tension after cyclic stretches for ensuring that cooldown with newly stretched length is complete?

Example: Cyclic stretches 10 sets + extender 4-5 kg for 15min.

Originally Posted by ShadowGains
I have a fairly straightforward question for Kyrpa, and anyone else who has followed this same protocol.

My question is, do we know that this method is actually lengthening the shaft/tunica, and not lengthening the ligs?

What I mean is, has anyone actually measured this and can say for sure that this lengthens the penis and not just the ligs or something else?

I ask because I’m not keen on stretching my ligs much further, and if there is genuinely a way to lengthen the penis shaft, I think that makes more sense to almost everyone (unless you have super tight ligs)

Cheers.

I can confidently assert it is shaft gains with the device I use. Mine anchors off the pubic bone and the entire strain is felt within the shaft. There is no perceptible strain at the ligs

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
You seemed to find some answers already, hopefully it helped you getting forward.

I saw you picking the line out of the context, “Cyclical strain beyond the proportionality limit “.

Be careful with that phrase as it contains a situation we are not going to reach with our approach.

We might have debated it at the start with Tutt and to some extension with Manko but I am sure we have mutual understanding that we are nowhere near it with our efforts.
By we I am meaning the whole scene.

Proportional limit lays on the top end of the elastic region and we are operating at the very start of the same region. We have barely past the heel region where the tissue stiffens against the applied load. All of us.

Just in recent reply Tutt talked about the newest studies confirming that we are not even going need to reach such a strain.
Growth triggering responses starting to happen very early with a strain enough we are reaching with heat.
This has been my approach the whole time.

Yes, despite the early debate, Kyrpa was correct. We do not reach the proportionality limit. Recent research after 2018 has put the question to rest. We are actually at the very beginning of the elastic region and are leveraging the viscosity of the tissues to induce permanent elongation.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Kyrpa: You don’t see any benefit of staying in constant tension after cyclic stretches for ensuring that cooldown with newly stretched length is complete?
Example: Cyclic stretches 10 sets + extender 4-5 kg for 15min.

I would strongly caution against that high load during cooldown. If you do increase load during cooldown, it really shouldn’t need to be more than 25% greater than the heated load. I’ve demonstrated this repeatedly with my equipment. If the penis is locked when the heat is removed, it feels like a dramatic increase in load, but it is typically around 20%. A backwards way of stating that for those using a hanging type device… if you want to maintain the induced strain during cooldown that you achieved with heat, the load will need to be increased by 20-25%.

I very strongly suspect that loads of 4-5kg during cooldown will induce a tissue level stiffening and densification response. In my own tests I haven’t seen any need yet for loads beyond 3kg. If you aren’t getting results with 3kg, I would focus on the heat. Unless you have like 7” MSEG, in which case somewhat higher loads might be justified.

Originally Posted by Tutt
I would strongly caution against that high load during cooldown. If you do increase load during cooldown, it really shouldn’t need to be more than 25% greater than the heated load. I’ve demonstrated this repeatedly with my equipment. If the penis is locked when the heat is removed, it feels like a dramatic increase in load, but it is typically around 20%. A backwards way of stating that for those using a hanging type device… if you want to maintain the induced strain during cooldown that you achieved with heat, the load will need to be increased by 20-25%.

I very strongly suspect that loads of 4-5kg during cooldown will induce a tissue level stiffening and densification response. In my own tests I haven’t seen any need yet for loads beyond 3kg. If you aren’t getting results with 3kg, I would focus on the heat. Unless you have like 7” MSEG, in which case somewhat higher loads might be justified.

In the trials I went through with the extender and load cell setup, the stress increased indicating load from 3.5 kg to 4.2- 4.5 kg during cooldown.
A greater increase ( ~28%) can be up to the fact the tissue at the boundary of the heel to an elastic region stiffens up in exponential fashion when cooling down.

So if I were to stay at 3 kg the increase should have been lower as yours was.

If using a stress relaxation extender increasing the load before the cooldown is not justified.
For typical hanger setups or spring load extenders the 25% suggested sounds valid.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Kyrpa: You don’t see any benefit of staying in constant tension after cyclic stretches for ensuring that cooldown with newly stretched length is complete?
Example: Cyclic stretches 10 sets + extender 4-5 kg for 15min


Not in my protocol.

But if I understand correctly you are suggesting to perform cyclical stretches under heat and then going in a cooldown stretch with static( ?) extender.
It would be beneficial to adjust the loading relative to the load used in the sets as described above.

Working cold or under the therapeutic heat temperature, the 3 kg is already in limits to be too much, with heat it should be on the spot or within the optimal range if the therapeutic heat is present.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

Working cold or under the therapeutic heat temperature, the 3 kg is already in limits to be too much, with heat it should be on the spot or within the optimal range if the therapeutic heat is present.

Working cold or below the therapeutic heat temperature, the 3 kg is already in limits to be too much, with heat it should be on the spot or within the optimal range if the therapeutic heat is present.

below not under. typo


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Trapezius
With Extracorporeal shock wave therapy, are you referring something you do with same device you use for heat? Light intensity pulsed ultrasound?
Could only using US for heating 3 x week, 20 min with stretching be beneficial for EQ?

I have different machinery for the ESWT, Ginha 1602, one of those cheap ones.

I suppose the heating practices may have beneficial effects on EQ in long term. But honestly saýing if it were to be the ultimate cure I would have ditched the viagra already.

In short term, the protocol can hinder EQ. It can go down for workout days and cures back during the rest.

Overall my penis is much healthier now than in 2018 before starting this all.
By the looks, skin is much smoother, no discoloration, veinier, and the cold glans is gone.
The deflated flaccid look of the glans has improved and the thing is not stone-cold all the time when flaccid.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by train spot
How do you feel about cock rings when pursuing length?
I, for example, don’t get my max bpel measurement/highest erection quality and hardest erection with the ring on, but I get serious base girth increases and glans expansion, glans expansion only ocasionally, but I never get my max length measurement.

Do you think it’s a little like length restricted pumping, when we edge with a cock ring? Could it hinder length gains?
I am only talking about a cock ring btw, not behind the balls, because I don’t do that anymore because it doesn’t turn me on for some reason, it used to but now it doesn’t.

During manual expansion work, it has its use for sure.

No, I don´t think that the exercise itself will hinder length gains. For BPEL gains this kind of exercise may be beneficial indeed.
More than else excessive total workout load can hinder all gains, present, and future.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by fdersby8
What if we used a rod extender with heat all day? Would that be better than extending alone?

Thermal Effects Safety

The safe exposure of temperature vs. time, table applies to all forms of heating.

Extender studies vary the time up to 6 hours a day when using really light loads.
Depending on the load the extender applies, for six hours with for example with 4 kg (found in many extenders) is already too much.

Any heating is better than no heating. Heating the skin for hours is not.

If you choose to use an extender with any heat, I would suggest you finish the set with no heating at maximum extension.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I have different machinery for the ESWT, Ginha 1602, one of those cheap ones.

I suppose the heating practices may have beneficial effects on EQ in long term. But honestly saýing if it were to be the ultimate cure I would have ditched the viagra already.

In short term, the protocol can hinder EQ. It can go down for workout days and cures back during the rest.

Overall my penis is much healthier now than in 2018 before starting this all.
By the looks, skin is much smoother, no discoloration, veinier, and the cold glans is gone.
The deflated flaccid look of the glans has improved and the thing is not stone-cold all the time when flaccid.

Ok. So completely different kind of device than Us Pro 2000 2nd.

There is some evidence that LIPUS could be beneficial. But with using H setting 100 % duty for heating I believe long term some positive could be achieved from more vasodilation.

Efficacy and safety of novel low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) in treating mild to moderate erectile dysfunction: a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, sham-controlled clinical study

Low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) is a form of pulse ultrasound that is delivered at an intensity lower than 3 W/cm2. The energy is delivered in a pulsed fashion to reduce the thermal effect of ultrasound that might induce local tissue damage. Previous studies have demonstrated that LIPUS has beneficial effects for connective tissue regeneration, inflammation control, and neovascularization

The novel ultrasound pulse duration - pulse interval ratio is 1:4 (200 µs:800 µs) at 1,000 Hz and frequency of 1.7 MHz.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Not in my protocol.

But if I understand correctly you are suggesting to perform cyclical stretches under heat and then going in a cooldown stretch with static( ?) extender.
It would be beneficial to adjust the loading relative to the load used in the sets as described above.

Working cold or under the therapeutic heat temperature, the 3 kg is already in limits to be too much, with heat it should be on the spot or within the optimal range if the therapeutic heat is present.

My US device has not yet came but I am practising sessions with electric heating pad.
I understand you did 20min US heat with stretching left and right with 3 kg. Then removed all heat and did those cyclic manual stretches with higher force, somewhere I see 9kg or higher and then at some posts you talk 5-6 kg.

What I have been doing is
1. 30 min extender without heat 2kg.
2. extender with electric heating pad ramping up to 3 kg and duration 30-40 min so heat becomes unbearable to skin
3. Removing heat and doing 10 sets of cyclic manuals with scale 5 - 6,5 kg.
4. There would be that extra static extender usage to ensure cooldown is completed in newly extended state.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Ok. So completely different kind of device than Us Pro 2000 2nd.

There is some evidence that LIPUS could be beneficial. But with using H setting 100 % duty for heating I believe long term some positive could be achieved from more vasodilation.

Efficacy and safety of novel low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) in treating mild to moderate erectile dysfunction: a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, sham-controlled clinical study

Low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) is a form of pulse ultrasound that is delivered at an intensity lower than 3 W/cm2. The energy is delivered in a pulsed fashion to reduce the thermal effect of ultrasound that might induce local tissue damage. Previous studies have demonstrated that LIPUS has beneficial effects for connective tissue regeneration, inflammation control, and neovascularization

The novel ultrasound pulse duration - pulse interval ratio is 1:4 (200 µs:800 µs) at 1,000 Hz and frequency of 1.7 MHz.

Unfortunately, the US PRO has only one setting, close to replicate the LIPUS research treatments. But the L is close enough.

Ultrasound therapy in general will enhance the healing a lot, in relation to soreness, tissue exhaustion etc.
There is pretty much none.

If the tissue is worked it is better to do it in a well-oxygenated environment, which is provided by the ultrasound use.
The pulse detected in the shaft during the heated stretch is a good indicator this happening.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Trapezius
My US device has not yet came but I am practising sessions with electric heating pad.
I understand you did 20min US heat with stretching left and right with 3 kg. Then removed all heat and did those cyclic manual stretches with higher force, somewhere I see 9kg or higher and then at some posts you talk 5-6 kg.

What I have been doing is
1. 30 min extender without heat 2kg.
2. extender with electric heating pad ramping up to 3 kg and duration 30-40 min so heat becomes unbearable to skin
3. Removing heat and doing 10 sets of cyclic manuals with scale 5 - 6,5 kg.
4. There would be that extra static extender usage to ensure cooldown is completed in newly extended state.

So the fourth step was your addition.
Unfortunately, there is nothing to cool down anymore at that stage. It takes only minutes to drop back into resting temperature.

You should consider doing either 3. or 4 only. And you can scale down the load at step 3 to 4 - 4.5 kg

I have come down on the loads at step 3 (4) and recommend following that line. You will find it out reading further.

For the results to come excessive loading is not needed, and for the continuity of the future gains going too far will have consequences.

As Tutt suggested the loading after the heated set does not need to be elevated more than 25%.
If using the static extender stay at the heated stretch load. If you have achieved strain enough you can see the load rising up in the load cell during the cooldown.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Tutt
I would strongly caution against that high load during cooldown. If you do increase load during cooldown, it really shouldn’t need to be more than 25% greater than the heated load. I’ve demonstrated this repeatedly with my equipment. If the penis is locked when the heat is removed, it feels like a dramatic increase in load, but it is typically around 20%. A backwards way of stating that for those using a hanging type device… if you want to maintain the induced strain during cooldown that you achieved with heat, the load will need to be increased by 20-25%.

I very strongly suspect that loads of 4-5kg during cooldown will induce a tissue level stiffening and densification response. In my own tests I haven’t seen any need yet for loads beyond 3kg. If you aren’t getting results with 3kg, I would focus on the heat. Unless you have like 7” MSEG, in which case somewhat higher loads might be justified.

I got that 4-5kg from my loads with cyclic stretches 5,5 - 6,5 kg, to keep possible strain increase gained by those cyclic stretches. Cyclic stretches 10min done after heat source removed and penis is cooling down.

When I read your posts I got picture that you don’t do cyclic stretches with higher load?
But very slow increase 1% strain / min with heat 38-39 and then when BPFSL is achieved introduce heat +41c and stretch +2,5 % beyond BPFSL. Not exceeding 3 kg (or 4kg?) ever.
Is the force during higher heat same as before heat is increased?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
So the fourth step was your addition.
Unfortunately, there is nothing to cool down anymore at that stage. It takes only minutes to drop back into resting temperature.

You should consider doing either 3. or 4 only. And you can scale down the load at step 3 to 4 - 4.5 kg

I have come down on the loads at step 3 (4) and recommend following that line. You will find it out reading further.

For the results to come excessive loading is not needed, and for the continuity of the future gains going too far will have consequences.

As Tutt suggested the loading after the heated set does not need to be elevated more than 25%.
If using the static extender stay at the heated stretch load. If you have achieved strain enough you can see the load rising up in the load cell during the cooldown.

Ok. Thank you very much for answering. I really appreciate it very much to take your time.

I will continue reading after every post 1874 posts in this thread is read. And follow that line where loads are not elevated more than 25 % after heat. Coming from backround where I have pulled my dick with furious force (no results) and hanged heavy, it’s still learning to keep loads quite light. Devil in head whispers “go heavier, it will produce more”, but what I’ve learned it’s very detrimental to go heavier. And I will try out if I can achieve strain enough with static load only.

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