Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Please read this entire thread from the beginning, those things were already addressed by Kyrpa over a year ago. Also if you have suggestions try them yourself and report back in a statistical way before you even post them here, or create your own log announcing your following tests and experiments.

Hey Kypra, Tutt, and the rest -

I’ve been on decon for the last 1-2 months so also took time off to think about other things. But am now getting back to it, and ready to start again with a more refined and effective system. I’ve caught up in the thread and am going to be re-reading it in my off-time just to make sure I’m not missing out on important discussions, but had a question regarding clamping that I don’t remember seeing before.

This is especially directed at Kyrpa but anyone can answer:

Would clamping have a negative impact on length gains in the short-term or long-term?

I feel like most of my girth gains have come from clamping/squeezes/etc. and I’d like to incorporate it in the last phase before I go into decon. I was thinking of doing 2 months pure length, 1 month length/girth hybrid, then 1-2 months rest. I only have about 3/4”-1” to gain in length and I will be satisfied there, so maybe I should just forgo clamping entirely for now, but if permissible to work it in a little I would like to.

A second question occurred to me:

How can I incorporate more fulcrums into my hanging/stretching?

I used to hang a lot and attribute a good amount of my gains to lig stretch. Fulcrum stretching seems to bypass the ligs for the most part, but how would I incorporate more fulcrums into hanging and stretching the way we do it with the conditioning stretch? Could I use a fulcrum during the conditioning stretch and just move around a little through the stretch to avoid over-working one? It adds a few variables to the stretch that I don’t fully understand.

I’ve considered keeping the conditioning stretch straight out like I’ve been doing and using a fulcrum for the cyclic stretches after the conditioning stretch. Thoughts?

And I just thought of a third question which is, is there an optimal angle for avoiding lig stretching? Should we all be doing our conditioning stretch SU or OTS?

Thanks!!

Another question I had, is how important is the cyclic nature of the stretch after the US heat is applied?

Why not just stretch straight out and hold for 10-15 minutes as the tissues cool?

I don´t think that any penis is undoable. There need to be precise tools when experiencing such a long-term non-gaining nightmare.

Mainly there have been detected three different kinds of restricting elements on healthy non-gainers.

Most obvious is the dorsal thickening, the tunica albuginea is at its thickest and strongest form on the top side of the shaft.
That together with the tightly connected Buck´s fascia made pocket enveloping the dorsal vein, nerves and artery combo can be the reason for most.

Then there is another type of restriction that has been easily palpated for many. Including me.
The septum in the middle of the cavernosal spaces can be that tight it takes all of the load when trying to elongate the shaft.
Keeping in mind it is part of the inner layer of the TA, then being naturally much harder to elongate than the outer layer. it is because the layout of the major collagen formations runs circularly, not longitudinally.

That means when stretching the septum there is not much elongation coming from fibril sliding or fibrillar elongation, lots of the gains need to come from the molecular level and cap openings between cells.
It becomes more about actual growth than simply elongation by stretching the structure longer.

Working with that kind of extension the way it is stretched comes really crucial. The harder it gets the more important it is not to use excessive loads or strain rates. Slowly with moderate load.
Even then there is not much to expect if the extracellular matrix is at resting temperature. Magic happens when the temperature is on the therapeutic level. It becomes malleable.

Some have even detected the ventral thickening being very hard to stretch. It is the collagenous formation on the bottom side of both CC cambers.
It has a signature feature other ones mentioned do not have. Thin BC muscle striations penetrate into it from the base of the penis.
How far the muscular striations reach must have significant individual variations.

Why some experience restricting septum, for instance, we don´t know for sure. Of course, individuals lucky enough to gain may have elongated and strengthened it to a level no longer gaining.
Then there are some born with the issue, including me for sure.

There are controversial explanations if the inner layer of the TA is connected to the pubic bone or not.
Some sources tell that the suspensory ligament is connected to, or being the outer TA layer´s continuation only.
Yet there are never studies finding the suspensory ligament not only attaching to the outer layer but penetrating trough to be attached into the inner layer as well.

Since the literature remaining uncertain, we may hypothesize there to be individual differences as well.
If so, some of us may experience the issue with the restriction of the septum only because it is tightly connected to the pubis.
Some do not experience it ever, because despite the gains they never elongate their septum as it loosely connected with elastic bonds to the outer layer.

As you found out the seller Infos are not always trusted. Luckily there are user manuals online which show the precise info.

The air to the skin boundary on the opposite side is already a great reflector. Up to a level, the reflection interferes with the transducer. We end up having standing wave condition inside the shaft, still not heating the penis.

If any reflector is used it has to be designed the way it reflects away from the transducer, not against it. They are soundwaves we are talking about, easily interfered with another source, being it a reflection in this case.

This is crucial with the 1 MHz especially, we have reason to believe it won’t be such a major issue with 3 MHz.

Actually, we have two strategies to deal with it. Using our own flesh as a background medium, the thigh when stretching OTL.

Another one is to use phantom material having similar acoustic properties to the connective tissue and skin.
That way the wavefront propagates through the boundary and what is left from the absorption reflects back from the phantom medium to the air boundary.
Being the media thick enough the reflection is already attenuated and/or refracted enough not to interfere with the source wavefront.

Like igigi said using metal reflector will cause significant temperature raise at the skin to reflector boundary.

I didn´t check the accuracy of the equipment, but this or similar works.
The original thermocouple is too harsh for the urethra.
We need to cote it with either silicone resin or a heat shrink tube.

Don´t use solid metal probes inside the urethra during the US treatment. Soundwaves reflecting from it can cause local overheating of the tissue. They can also cause accidental injuries being rigid.

As the guys already told you, why don´t you try it.

I have looked into the topic and it seems that accurate enough thermal cameras are costly. We are talking about thousands here.

Literature does not recognize such processes. We are on our own here.

What the literature suggests for connective tissue is that singular exercise event raises the ECM markers for proliferation up to 3 to 4 days.

Repeating doing the exercise daily the tissue will adapt to the loading starting latest at 30 days and being fully adapted before 90 days.

3 + 2 has been taken as a minimum amount of time to show any gains, also it is the maximal amount of consecutive exercises still remaining the normal EQ.
For fighting against adaptation, we should even decrease the consecutive working days and increasing the resting days.

If you are keen to experiment I would suggest going either 2+3 or 3+4. Simultaneously taking maximum out of every practice.

Actually I did do clamping and pumping simultaneously with length work during the I believe P2(period2) .
When looking at the results, at that time it did not affect length gains a bit.

Now, talking about this concept only I would say it is safe to alternate the protocols between the periods.
Taking enough time-off between is the key. If using therapeutic heat it does not mean anything if the
girth has increased. If the increase is significant enough, you may need to increase the loading slightly.
How about 2 months length + 1 month purely for girth + 2 months off.

I would suggest keeping away from the fulcrum during the conditioning, it fights against the purpose of the exercise.

During the actual work sets with the heating method of local vigorous heating, it should work.
You won’t need to make sure the whole shaft is up to precise temperature all the time.

Actually, I have very rarely stretched below the SO angle during the conditioning.
During the manual stretches when cooling down for sure, circulating every possible angle.
Not going below the SO could be the thing. Maybe some experienced hangers have an opinion on this.

You can go either way. You can find me doing both variations as well.
For me, at the time it was problematic to use the vac attachment for such a long time at once. The blistering came as an issue.
After experimenting I found the manuals working in such a great way I could get rid of the vacuum at the end.

So keeping the static stretch works fine, increasing the load 20 % from the working set would be fine adjustment going that way.

That’s probably the best breakdown of the complicated inner penis structures some of us have! However are you suggesting that no matter how challenging the structure is (I was born with a cursed strong septum), everybody should be able to gain length?

Short answer… YES

There should not be any normal circumstance immune to the three modes of elongation. But if you can’t get the limiting tissues to a consistent 41-42C, then you are wasting your time and actually causing your penis to become more resistant to gains.

I just need to say something given where we are with this thread. There has really been such incredibly huge progress demonstrating the true fundamentals of proper PE on this thread, those here and new people joining really do need to just completely give up and throw away the old traditional PE concepts. No more clinging to the stuff that we know isn’t good.

We are still getting a surprising amount of… “What if I just use a heating pad, or lamp, or rice sock, etc?” “How do I incorporate traditional manual stretches into this routine?” “I’ve been hanging heavy, can’t I just keep increasing the weight?

Please, everyone joining here, just ditch the old methods already. Not only do they not work well, they actually cause problems for future gains. The only type of heat other than US that works is RF which is very expensive, so yes, you do absolutely need to use US. There is no other way, and I’ve tested them all. Any time you are stretching beyond the physiological limit, you MUST get the tissues to 40C+. The only time the tissue should be loaded beyond about 1kg without heat is when you are cooling down from the heated session.

Other than this, please feel free to help optimize the work-rest periods, and better contraptions to precisely control the strains or achieve consistent heat. But please let’s just finally be done clinging to traditional PE methods.

Heat internal tissues to 40-43C
Stretch shaft very slowly to a max weight of 2.5-3.5kg
Remove the heat and let cool.
Remove the load.
Leave the penis alone until the next session.

Very good advise. This approach will work extremely successfully with newbies. I have been advising the same to all those who ask me, Those who invent their own modifications with US altering measuring methods and protocol methods, I ignore them.

As a variation, many newbies have been asking me about the correct approach to start PE. My advise to them, start with a newbie routine, based on simple manual stretches and some jelquing. And while keeping track of measurements, asses progress, and this first approach will condition their tissues to sustain the approach with US.

Although, I am confident that the approach with low loads you suggest, will provide outstanding safe results to a newbie.

Thanks a lot for your tremendous input, tutt!
What is about the phase to delastify the penis?

I start with 400g of calibration weights and then slowly move up to 2.6kg in steps of 200g each. Then I hang with this constant weight for 5 minutes and only then start with US and slowly go up to 3.5kg.
This takes about 25 minutes.
Should I shorten this phase and only go up to 1kg?
This conditioning stretch phase was propagated by Kyrpa relatively recently:
The Concept For Elongation