To everyone generally…I apologize for the technical nature of the posts and I understand that it can be frustrating to read technical jargon when you just want someone to give the layman nutshell version. We are simply not at that point yet with this. For months I’ve had private conversations here that are often far more technical than these public posts. In fact, I had originally told Kyrpa that I would not be posting here but rather just sharing my finding with him and he was free to share them at his discretion. I went another direction recently and felt that others might benefit from the 1st hand version of the research. So I began posting here again. Please keep in mind that attempting to share technical research over a public forum requires a fair amount of knowledge compression. Even with that compression, the posts become very verbose. To present everything in layman terms with enough detail that the findings would be clear and useable to Kyrpa and others would require too much time and introduce unnecessary ambiguity. It’s like when you hear people using terms like ‘proximal’ and ‘distal’… Those unfamiliar with the terms find them annoying, but they are very precise and don’t introduce the type of confusion that comes from words like ‘top’ ‘bottom’ ‘front’ ‘back’… It will be very nice if we get to a point where we can just say, ‘Do this… exactly like this…’ completely in layman terms. In the meantime we have to prove the concepts. As Kyrpa says, the world of PE has been stuck on physiologically inefficient methods for quite some time now.
Just as an FYI… I have experience with manual routines, ADS, and some brief clamping experiments a couple years back. To put things in perspective, I gained about 19mm BPFSL, 13mm BPEL, and 2mm MEG over a 6-9 month period. Most of that came in the first 60 days and it was very obvious to me that those methods are setup in a way that guarantees a plateau. It is pretty much a physiological certainty. These statements are not meant to offend anyone, but there is widespread consensus across the scientific community regarding what happens to a living ligamentous/tendonous structure that is subject to repeated loads and strains in excess of those experienced within the normal physiological environment. Simply put, the body rapidly strengthens the structure by thickening and aligning collagen fibers. It is not just theory that this is a bad thing for PE. An analogy from real world might be helpful. Imagine pouring a new concrete driveway at your home. Typical thickness is 4” as that should meet the typical residential load requirement. If you wanted to be extra cautious, you could thicken the slab to 5”. This 25% thicker slab will be capable of supporting loads more than 50% higher. This phenomenon is common in many aspects of engineering/bioengineering. The point is that if you trigger your body to make the TA 10% thicker, that won’t be enough to even add measurable volume to your penis, but the loads required to produce a permanent elongation from that point forward will begin to go exponential. Consequently, you will read an endless stream of posts here talking about progressing from a beginner manual routine to increasingly intense stressors, and it should be obvious very quickly that the relationship is not linear. Eventually, everyone says you must take a long decon break. They are acknowledging that your body has defended itself to the point that you will no longer be able to produce any gain unless you can convince your tissues that the stress it was protecting against is no longer present. Unfortunately, collagen turnover is VERY slow compared to other tissues like skin and muscle.
The point of the research here is to determine whether it is possible to produce the ‘gains’ without triggering the body’s defense. I will be so bold as to say that I can virtually guarantee that it is not possible within the traditional realm of PE practice. Have PE practitioners been using heat for many years? Yes, and that heat certainly provides benefit vs normal cold treatments. Bad news… it is pretty much impossible to heat the TA and ligs above 39C with any externally radiated or conducted heat source; rice socks, hot water, heat pads, etc… Our penis is high blood flow, so we will literally blister our skin before we’ll get the internal structures above 39C. The penis skin is so delicate that it will begin to burn and we’ll experience excruciating pain as low as 44C. To avoid that, we’d have to keep the rice sock down to 42C which unfortunately is the optimal target temp for the TA which has a constant flow of <36C blood flowing through it. There is already scientific consensus that the collagen structure won’t change to a moldable state until 40C+. So it was up to experimenters like Kyrpa, Manko, etc to literally stick temp probes into the organ and show how it can be done via internal vibration without burning the surrounding tissues. Physiologically, there is reason to believe that stretching the TA with modest loads while heated to around 41C will at least prolong and enhance the growth period. I have always advocated for lower frequency and longer breaks between growth phases than what Kyrpa was using, because my supposition was that it will prove more effective over the long term for someone who wants to achieve very significant growth. I was hopeful that Kyrpa would show that even with his intensity the continued growth would be possible with just short rests between phases. Alas, that doesn’t appear to be the case, although his results are still very impressive so far. Others need to recognize that he has produced big growth at much lower loads and far fewer treatment hours than at least 95% of everyone on these boards. But if I am to push for lower volume and lower frequency, I have to demonstrate it.
I still suspect that there should optimally only be two 60-90 minute treatments a week over a roughly 21-24 day period, followed by a 60-90day rest. There are things going on at the cellular level supporting this suspicion. I remain hopeful that I can demonstrate a method that will at a minimum significantly extend the potential growth prior to extended decon, and do so at far fewer treatment hours than is typical in this community.
