Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Thanks guys for your answers.

Edit: Kyrpa, your graphs in the other posts were great, clearly a picture is worth a thousand words..

From the extremely valuable latest posts between Kyrpa and Tutt, the following things catch my attention that have been on my mind.

I need to clarify and put out there that, many of these things that cross may mind I tend to not bring up in a humble behavior because I know for a fact these gentlemen have either touched it already, or eventually with all certainty they will come through it at some point. It would not be prudent for me to ask questions like a child or a student at a class or just like somebody with anxiety. I believe is wiser to sit and read, learn, take notes, prepare a protocol.

But these are the topics:

1. The setup. It has been widely said that the setup is not critical, as long as we can create the stress relaxation and quantify the load to utilize US under tension for a predetermined amount of time. However, it seems to me the setup is every day more and more important to be able to measure precise strain over load. The reason for this is, between others, we are all different. Current size and structural septum will make a difference in strain. That means, a person with a 5 inch BPFSL will have a complete different effect with 1kg of load, than a person with a 9.5 inch BPFSL. At the same time, you can have two people with the same BPFSL, but with different toughening or structure of the septum, and likewise they will be affected in different ways from the same 1kg of load. Therefore, how do we measure and differentiate the effect on the tissue? Strain. And for that, we need specific equipment that can allow us to control that.

2. Nerves. It crossed my mind some time ago the possibility of nerve damage which would render the apparatus useless. A limp noodle. Not a lot has been touched about the nerve role in this equation. Of course, logic and critical thinking dictates that as every other tissue, they should suffer adaptation over time as long as the rate of growth is controlled in an evolutionary way, and not a revolutionary way. Still, it is priceless to have your input about the dorsal nerve in this whole process.

3. Pump cylinder. Quickly addressed by Kyrpa in one of his latest posts, just as the controlled low load strain for length, pumping eventually will have to be scientifically addressed for proper pressure and time. This caught my attention because pumping was one of my tools to gain a little over 1 full inch of girth in one year. Other than aid with chemicals, it was the use of an extender under 110% erection, plus vacuum pump at low pressure, long time. Again, in my own use of logic, without scientific method nor background, it did not make sense to me anymore the use of high pressure to force tissues outward. All it is accomplished by this is water buildup in the surface. And we read countless experiences from users about getting blisters and doughnut shape swelling in the foreskin with pumping. blown blood vessels as bruises in the skin, etc. As the water flows into the penis through the lymphatic system under the skin, girth increase, diminishing pressure between the surface of the skin and the cylinder, while the inner tissue, the ones that really need to be expanded, remain at the same pressure. The wild savage solution? increase pressure in the pump. This is as stupid as allopathic medicine addressing chronic diseases. Therefore, I concluded that water buildup inside the cylinder must be avoided in order to effectively target the inner tissue such as tunica. And that is how as a solution, I kept the pressure high enough to keep the erection full under extra pressure, but low enough to prevent fluid buildup as a body automatic control to equalize external pressure with internal pressure.

From this, in regards to what is our interest right now, the most important thing is the setup. I would GREATLY appreciate if you gentlemen can give us any input on how to build, modify, transform any equipment into something that can allow us to accurately measure strain millimetrically. I believe that by controlling strain, we are one step closer to control successful stretch and growth.

A few days ago I posted that I would be using an analog fish scale in order to measure load, when Tutt explained to me why his setup with a digital scale is much more effective for our purpose. I completely understand now why, and of course that is the proper way. Because with my analog scale I was paying attention to controlled load. While Tutt with his digital scale is controlling strain. And of course that is the way to go.

Thank you.

I would think that wearing a condom or two and just pumping with commensurately higher pressures would adequately mitigate the issue of fluid buildup. But I actually don’t really see why fluid buildup is a major issue anyway. I don’t see what’s bad about edema. When the penis swells a certain volume, just pump out enough air to restore the vacuum level. When you do that the tunica sees continued same load. If vessels are really breaking then yes a condom might be advantageous but barring that I don’t really see what’s bad about just pumping and getting edema. It’s not as if it’s harmful in any way or last for a long time. Am I missing something?

Of course you’re missing something. As you penis swells with edema, your girth increase taking that space inside the tube, releasing pressure off the tunica. If you increase vacuum, the penis swells even more, constantly fighting that pressure and keeping the tunica with almost zero pressure.

It seems like it is our nature as humans to always fight nature in order to accomplish something. As a way to exemplify this, look at rocket technology. We have an ancient extremely archaic barbaric inefficient way to get out of our atmosphere, rocketry. MASSIVE amounts of fuel burnt in seconds lifting massive payloads. Basically, we FIGHT physics in order to go out. When in reality, it would be astronomically (pn intended) more efficient to work WITH gravity in order to get out. How? well, cancelling or severely reducing the mass of the object with electromagnetic fields and generating gravity waves for motion. But that is the topic for a while different forum.

When it comes to our dicks, we need to work with our tissues instead of fighting our tissues. For decades we have been using the same barbaric principle of fighting it with insane loads and unscientific approaches.

Is there a solution to this problem is there a way to earn

I disagree. If you start with a vacuum level let’s say 5, and lymph comes in and expands the dick, then the vacuum might drop to 4.6 or whatever, but then you just pump a little more air out of the cylinder and you’re back at 5. What’s the big deal? Edema won’t accelerate, it will decelerate because the fact you pumped more air out didn’t increase the vacuum, it just restored it to what it originally was. Do you understand that that we are talking about constant vacuum levels here? It sounds like you might be thinking there is some kind of positive feedback loop and vacuum pressures would need to increase. In fact, you can just look at the dial and keep them constant.

No, because when you pump more air out to bring back the pressure to 5, then more fluid build up swelling the penis even more decreasing the pressure again, while keeping the internal structures intact with little to no pressure. And what people do? they keep increasing pressure again to bring it back to 5 again and the penis beyond swelling even more it starts blowing blood vessels and swelling even more. And they take pictures with their new girth. No thats not girth. Thats edema. I have never seen pictures of people posting before and after NOT PUMPED pics of girth with 2-3 inches of gain. I do have before and after pics cold showing my girth.

It is the same with length. And that is why we are blessed to have these friends here discussing this proven science. As we have talked before, we have been all these years using the barbaric approach of hang weights, then if there is no gains, increase the weights, and keep increasing more and more until the glans almost rip off the penis, to gain after 10-15 years close to NOTHING. And those few who genetically spotted the right technique, are portrayed as proven science that it works. Bullshit.

What is the correct technique? Are there scientifically proven techniques? Did he come up with something fast and effective that he instructed us on, maybe we are making mistakes that we haven’t yet known in training?

Girth work is going to be more problematic than length because of the intracavernosal pillars. Basically, right in the exact area of the transverse TA that would be most easily stretched, you’ve got a bunch of struts preventing it. Wonderful design for strength, but terrible for PE. They are difficult to heat properly and difficult to stress. For significant girth gains of something like 25mm MSEG, you’d need to elongate the pillars about 4mm. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but that is a huge proportional strain because the pillars are only like 10-15mm long. So you’re looking at a 33% strain. That’s equivalent to like 50-70mm of BPEL gains, and that’s if we don’t count the potential inner penis or lig gains. So basically, substantial girth gains is a big ask. Fortunately, even modest girth gains substantially improve erect volume.

I’m not a big fan of pumping. Mechanically, I’ve been trying to figure out the most optimal way to stress the pillars while still maintaining heat. I’ve run some tests with bundled stretches and while it is possible to stress the transverse layers of the TA to a modest degree, I cannot produce sufficient stress in the pillars.

The most promising techniques currently are restricted length clamping. That has it’s own set of challenges. Keeping enough blood trapped in the shaft for long enough is difficult.

I’m very cautious about getting excited on girth until I can figure out contactless RF heating. One benefit of heating in girth work is that the blood flow is minimal, so maintaining internal temps is easier.

I wouldn’t even mess with girth right now. My focus and priority is length. I have the perception that after length is somehow easier to bring the other structures up, rather than focusing on girth first and then length or both at the same time.

Well. We are after strain. Strain is the driving force for the ECM responding for the external stress with growth of the size of the structure.
Stressing the ECM by excessive forces the ECM reacts with stiffening, stiffening preventing the strain to occur, and prolonging such a conditions ECM eventually responds with strengthening the structure.
Not growing size. Every PE’ er is doomed when progressively increasing loading without ensuring strain.

Stressing the penis has three variables which are relative to each other. Stress level(load), time and strain.
Strain is the consequence, the function of the other two variable.
To make it more difficult, the function is not linear at the stiffening region we are targeting because the visco-elasticity. The tissue does not stretch proportionally.

Then how we can decide the threshold strains if we don´t have a device like Tutt.

Producing individual load- strain curves by using load stages during controlled timeline. If you have data of in which timeline certain loads produce the maximal strain is all you need.
This is how I have decided the protocol giving me the gains. And for the same reason I have been emphasizing the secondary significance of the equipment.
I am a convinced that I can produce threshold strains for length with extender, hanger, elastic band stretching and for girth restricted length clamping and restricted length pumping.
Tutt is able to drive his protocol with strain indicator, but he also needs to read the loading simultaneously not to exceed certain stress levels. Keeping the strain and load constant the only unknown variable for the application is therefor time.

In nutshell I have encouraged everyone to document the load strain curve of the penis to decide the load and time needed for ensuring essential strain.
It is highly independent of the equipment.

The equipment similar to Tutt´s is the ideal for the length.

For the girth I will at some point come out with cavernous pressure monitoring for clamping based exercises, at the moment the best way to utilize stress relaxation in the clamping is to restrict the length before introducing maximal cavernous pressure and using different methods of external compression during.
For pumping the stress- relaxation-based expansion can be achieved with step by step protocol using several stages with different caliper cylinder. The different diameter packed cylinders represent the stages
of strain at the time , Each one of the cylinders having cushion inside restricting the longitudinal stretch well below the natural BPEL. Before each stage heating with ultrasound under bundled stretch.

We touched the topic a bit. Nerves do lengthen, if it happens elastically the process is slow. Not everyone end up in the situation nerves getting in the way of progress. If the nerves do get the bottle neck the hanging, extending or stretching times should be limited to avoid nerve problems. As Tutt suggested the stretch affecting nerves does not come from the strain but from the compression of the nerves as a consequence.

Pumping represents a of plethora of difficulty managed variables.
We had the same extended conversation with Sentii earlier already, so I condense my opinion of the topic in short.
There is almost no way to block more and more water to accumulate inside easily stretched, highly elastic and fluid absorbing layers of superficial layers, also between these and structural compounds and ligamentous stiffening TA.
If the further fluid flow is not completely blocked the idea of uncompressed fluid under vacuum equally pulling the TA outwards does not come true. Outer layers having the ability to stretch multiple times more compared to the inner structural layers we end up having water balloon instead of stretching the TA.
The displacement produced by the outer layers being ductile, is continuously filled with increasingly in going fluid.

If I can present a wish, I wish we don´t even get to this further, as there is hundreds posts of ifs and if nots surrounding the topic already posted elsewhere in this forum alone.
We have handsful of things to chew with Tutt approaching the same corner of the load strain corner which I have been focusing all this time. Having precise tools he has the protocols will be re-evaluated all the time. This is on-going investication, Tutt is going to run his first phase to end during three weeks , then I will start my own as he is having his off for 6 to 8 weeks.

Anyone looking for ready 100 % quaranteed protocols for length, there will be any at least for a year.
If I will continue to gain with the slightly upgraded version of the original protocol, that would be a step forward at least.
At this point I would not change much. Introducing the loads in Small increments would be first to do. It might end up decreasing the final loads as well.

Thanks.

I hope as many as possible finding some help from the graphs. There is lots of time invested in each everyone presentation available.

Thank you Kyrpa. As I can see the setup for now is personal adaptation.

I do not have incremental small weights right now therefore hanging and increasing load is not possible.
I do have a vacuum extender, so I should use the extender, however I cannot picture in my mind an ideal scenario with the extender and the metal rods in the way and without being able to properly rest the shaft against the leg for the US.

I believe I will have to stick to the original plan, using the vacuum cap on the glans, then tie an elastic band attached to a fixed point with a fishing scale to measure load and just push myself away for increasing load.

My concern about this way though is that as I mentioned before, without proper equipment I dont know how much strain that initial load is producing. With proper equipment I would be able to see 3mm or 4mm or 5mm or maybe not enough 1mm or 2mm and be able to determine if I need to add or reduce load at that stage in real time. But we will see. Perhaps I can add the load and measure with a ruler to see the difference. I’ll find the way lol

I have concuerred this kind of obstacles by taking the measures after each loading interval. Repeating these procedures few times I have got the confirmation for the necessary loads needed for the desired strain.

For me it has been possible because using the penimaster pro it is easy to slip the glans out that much I can measure from the coronal sulcus between the stages.

Being certain of the loads and timings it is not necessary to do it in every practise. Just before and after measurements is enough to confirm the strain in everyday practise.

If the strain does not occur I will take the whole process next time to see what step fails.

There is no need to make life too complicated. Every once in a while going through the whole repertoire should give enough certainty.
If the loads or timings should be adjusted then do it.

By before/after measurements do you mean bpfsl?