Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I made a huge mistake today, I forgot to measure BPFSL before heating up with IR light. I removed the hanger and measured after the 30 minutes of heating with IR. Therefore this initial read is not accurate.

Initial BPFSL: 22.3cm
Final BPFSL: 23cm
Strain: 3%

I still have much work to do with my setup. It is not possible this way to successfully and accurately produce proper stress relaxation.

On a side note, I had a very interesting “side effect” while using the two transducers. Some 8 minutes into it, suddenly I had some sort of anxiety. I am wondering if the quick rise in blood temperature might have made the brain interpret something erroneous? I dont know. I removed the transducers at that point and measure temperature at 39.7 between thigh and shaft. I expect during US application temp might be at 40-41 in the area, but that will be properly answered when some day I utilize a better approach to measure temp in real time.

That’s interesting as the thermoregulatory effect seen in graphs kicks in a few minutes later for me. No sudden fluctuations in blood pressure I though I suppose.

Have you any history of similar events?
Maybe you are slightly on your toes a bit with this new protocol of yours, just take it easy.

The temp seems to be coming nicely for you as well.

Sorry that I forgot it was you. You have adapted the protocol I have used working with the IR nicely.
The core is the well cooncidered methods allowing maximal strain with mild to moderate loads in conjuction with heat.
Thank you showing the setup, pics are showing the principle nicely.

The pics though are about to be cencored and the thread is going to be returned back into original publicly available catalog.

So if you you don´t mind, then would you post the pics in another place and let us know where they are to be seen.

Ah, sorry about that. If anyone has a suggestion as to where these sorts of photos could be placed please let me know.

If you like ,start a new thread on progress reports and pictures, or post it in mine located there. Kyrpa volume project . I have not used it but I have had an intention to post some of the setup pics there myself.

I would really like this tread being in public forum. Which means respecting the forum policies.

Guys, I need some help to understand the different between the electric wrist wrap and the electric IR wrist wrap. Do they work differently? Do IR effect tissue in another way? Is there any different in the amount of heat they deliver? Do IR heat go deeper in to the tissue?

Is IR some sort of light that the electric pad don’t have?

Why do you think one is better than the other?

Patrik,

I modified the pics to remove the URL’s that were at the top as this is against forum guidelines.

The red pic is just the element, which is all you need and less expensive. The other pic is the system which is qfibers wrap with element inside of it, it will be more expensive.

I just use the element. These qfiber elements stop working over time and need to be replaced.

I just ordered replacements of these smaller ones and they sent me this one instead.

I am not sure if did they no longer have the smaller ones or they just sent me the wrong thing. This larger one is working so I kept it.

I believe Tutt can give you a really covering answer but mainly if the fibers in IR wrap are heated they emit radiation penetrating into soft tissue.The radition being in certain frequencies can cause heating effect in the tissue. If it really happens in significant fashion with this particular item remains unknown.
Most of the wrappings still heat mostly by the conduction.

The normal elecric heating pad is just heated with heating resistors and the heating effect is 100% conduction.

To be clear, both of those wrist wraps will provide the bulk of heating to the tissue surface via conduction because the heat elements in both are electric resistance. Contrast this with my FIR lamp in which essentially 100% of the heat experienced is via IR (mostly FIR) radiation. You can tell this is true using an IR sensor. In the case of the FIR wraps, they place a specific material on the radiation emitting surface. This will be jade stones, bio ceramic dots, graphene fibers, or tourmaline. In some cases the tourmaline minerals will be ground and then coated onto fibers.

In large heating pads, it is common to see mats of jade and tourmaline stones. In small wraps it is more common to see bioceramics and graphene fibers. All of these act to absorb the heat produced by whatever heating element is used and then re-emit in the far infrared range of the spectrum (we call this a phase shift). FYI, a good part of my career deals with studying material capable of causing a phase shift in radiation. Bioceramics and tourmaline have an added effect of emitting large amounts of negative ions.

For the purposes of PE the benefit of FIR is that the heat is capable of penetrating deeper into the tissues. You will hear claims of like 6 inches, but that is mostly hype. Given enough time, the FIR waves can penetrate a couple centimeters and the deep heating action is absolutely much better than just regular IR. It is claimed that FIR waves promote healing as well, but the literature has not yet determined whether that is a consequence of the heat, better circulation, or some cellular response to the waves.

With regard to negative ions. This is a case of scientific extrapolation. Negative ions and negative pH are strongly associated with neocollagenesis and the formation of the collagen triple helix. Developers of bioceramics extrapolate that evidence in support of claiming that an FIR emitter that also produces negative ions aids in collagen tissue formation and healing. This is possible, although I haven’t seen evidence that a bioceramic wrist wrap emits high enough concentrations to make any difference. In that regard we might be entering the realm of Tom Brady and his special bioceramic pajamas that help him recover from football games.

Hi Tutt,

I’m curious to your take on the advantages/disadvantages of NIR vs FIR. The following page (loaded with references to the literature at the end) seems to suggest some advantage of NIR over FIR - sun pumps out more NIR, humans have evolved to utilise it more than FIR, yadda yadda etc. Plus they cite some NASA study claiming that NIR penetrates human tissue up to a depth of 23cm! (I assume this probably uses a million watt emitter that also reduces flesh to a carbonised lump in the process :-) ).

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Cheers!

Due to lack of time today, I will take a rest day after my first 2 trials with US. Still adjusting to schedule due to Corona.

However, I just measured BPFSL in a cold state since yesterday I failed to do so before the therapy.

06/10/20 BPFSL 22.5cm

I expect to resume therapy tomorrow for 2 more consecutive days. I am curious what BPFSL will be tomorrow before the therapy after today off.

So far right now this measurement for me is absolutely IMPRESSIVE. I started PE in 1998. My gains finished around 2012. After that only girth came up very fast. Unable to get length gains after that year, being an evident limitation from the Septum. Tried multiple types of conventional routines, tried the barbaric non sense brutal force pulling and bending, no results.

Today, thanks to science and the members reading this movement, I am seeing movement in the ruler, something that for me was a dream.

I cannot stop thanking Kyrpa, Manko, Tutt, and many others who have lead this historical breakthrough. As other pioneers come back to post I will personally thank each one of them.

Well there are several things in this post. Let me tackle them one at a time. Have humans evolved to utilize the most abundant light? That’s a pretty safe assumption even without scientific proof, and definitely NIR is more abundant than FIR. Did NASA run an experiment that showed 23cm depth penetration into tissues? Yes, they did. Does this mean that we should be using NIR instead of FIR? No. it is widely recognized that FIR produces more heat deeper in the tissues than NIR. Keep reading if you want the explanation.

Let’s take a step back and look at physics and the literature. There is no doubt that our bodies have incredible adaptive response to the immediate environment. In terms of evolution, protection against and utilization of light energy is among the most important. For example, on the other side of the visible spectrum, we have the ability to darken our skin within hours of the cells sensing an abundance of UV light. This is a defense against the damaging effects of UV light. Simultaneously, our skin utilizes UV light in creating Vitamin D. So our bodies recognize that light radiation is harmful, but necessary. Now jumping back to the red end of the spectrum, both visible and invisible light on this end trigger cellular response. Much of it is still not understood, but some of it is well documented now. It is becoming very well established that light therapy on the red end of the spectrum is overall quite beneficial. The cited study by NASA was driven by the discovery that astronauts in zero gravity experience cellular degradation because cell growth is triggered by gravitational forces. They ran studies to show that light therapy could be used to trigger cell growth in microgravity environments. It worked, and they shared the findings. In their study they used a high sensitivity spectroscope to detect light penetration through the tissues. They found that they were able to detect some light signal on the opposite side of the leg muscle, which was 23cm thick. They used LED light in both the red and very near infrared range (680nm, 730nm, and 880nm). FYI, 880nm is just barely outside the visible range. This is very important as we will see in a moment.

The source of your article is in the business of selling a NIR product for a specific purpose. They are selling light therapy for overall tissue health, specifically in the NIR range, so it is in their best interest to promote that product. Once one of them cited the NASA study, all the other sellers of NIR treatments grabbed onto it. None of them are fairly representing it. The reality is that we are not primarily using this light to trigger cell growth like NASA did. We are using it primary for generating heat. What NASA didn’t discuss, but others have, is that depth of penetration is highly correlated with power. In their case, they needed to use intense LED light to achieve deep penetration of visible and nearly visible light. But if they were using it to deep heat the tissue, they wouldn’t have used visible light. Also, LED technology is abundant and robust in the visible and nearly visible spectrum, which made it handy to construct blankets out of for the astronauts that would hold up to abusive environments.

Once you get up into the true infrared range, you have to be very careful with power levels, because light above the visible red range begins to generate heat energy. If they would’ve used FIR at high power for cell growth triggering, it would’ve risked heat stroke and surface burns. They weren’t about to wrap astronauts in high power deep heating blankets for long periods of time. They didn’t even need to test this aspect because it is already a known phenomenon. When you want to quickly heat up that frozen burrito, what’s the fastest way to do it? Toss it in the microwave. Why? Because long wavelengths travel through materials, generating heat along the way. Microwaves are generally ideal for this in terms of balancing heat generation in food items at the lowest possible power input. Go even further up the spectrum and you reach radio waves that can literally travel through buildings relatively undisturbed. So the point is that we already know that longer wavelengths penetrate deeper through the tissue. Radio waves at high power would literally cook you all the way through at an even rate. Anyone arguing otherwise is just trying to sell something.

Now jumping to the other literature. FIR not only penetrates deeply, but has the ability to actually provide measurable heating to the tissues up to a depth of about 2cm. Tests measuring relatively high power NIR repeatedly showed that less than 2% of the energy made it to a depth of 2cm. Power necessary to actually heat the tissue at that depth would’ve charred the surface tissue. Conversely, FIR can provide heat to those depths without surface burns. Microwaves can perform that function even better, heating the inside and surface nearly equivalently in some tissues, but the microwave emitter is relatively dangerous and not very useable. So in PE we are left with FIR at the moment as the deepest heat treatment utilizing electromagnetic waves. Because of this, we have jumped over into sound waves as a reliable way to generate heat in deep tissues. Because US devices at requisite power levels are readily available in handheld form.

The biggest problem with sound waves is that they need a medium to travel through. So the US sound head must be in perfect contact with the tissue. I keep working on jumping back over into the EM waves realm, because it offers the potential benefit of being contactless. Meaning that we can hover the wave plate over the area and it will generate heat much like a heat lamp. But in order to do this, we need to jump into the radio frequency realm, so I haven’t quite figured it out yet for PE. Although, the fat removal industry has already solved the problem, and the RF devices are absolutely the most effective non-invasive fat removal methods available.

Cool! Thanks for the comprehensive answer Tutt. Do you have a link to the FIR lamp that you’ve been using?

Great to hear, and thank you for your kind words. Your enthusiasm is highly appreciated.

We have something very common,as my restrictions to stretch the unit are all because of the stiff septum as well. The exception between you and me is that for me the stiff septum came as a feature I had born with, yours has developed due elongated penis and years of stressing it with the early exercises you had.

I would have never gained any length without these methods. The upper triangular formation of the septum was hard as a steel in 1998, it was as stiff again in 2008 and it was as hard and stiff as ever in 2018. It is that pronounced I can palpate it being like a Achilles tendon of a child.

Now that you are on the program, you might need to adjust the established protocol a bit.
The loading stages you are using should be introduced in slower fashion. If you are able to introduce the loads in smaller increments you could be maximizing your elongation even better.
If you are able to go trough the process with maximizing the stress relaxation effects in the first phase and with small increments through the heated part, staying at the max load the last minutes of the heated part the stiffening of tissue could be minimized and the strain you are witnessing maximized.

I genuinely believe that I will not be the one gaining the most after these techniques are developed in their maximal efficiency.

I have been on the decon now for a quite some time. Actually about three and half months now. Not doing any actual exercises on my unit except the heating test regimen published earlier. During it penis was stretched out without any significant load at the length below BPEL.
I have purchased one of the most affordable ESWT(Extra Corporeal Shock Wave) equipment available the Ginha HL 1602. The ESWT treatment was intended to start way sooner but now it is here and I have finished two sessions with it already.

I am running likes of adjusted Sirini protocol 2hz ( 5x300 shocks, 105 mJ), having treatment twice week for three weeks off and another three weeks etc. I will come down on the shock energy the treatment proceeding further. Using the concave 15mm head without the rubber cap on for producing focused shock waves.
Sirini protocol includes three areas in the shaft and both penile cruras separately treated.

Original protocol uses much lower energy flux density, but because my motives goes beyond the regular ED treatment I am using higher shock energy level here. I am trying to interfere the ECM homeostasis of the ligamentous TA with the protocol.

Because I don´t trust a bit of these Chinese manufacturers claims of what their machinery can produce for a second, therefor I have maxed out the (J/ mm^2) available. At the low 2Hz frequency and concave head , these shocks are as powerful as possible with a machinery using electromagnetic treatment head.

In conjunction I am using LIPUS (Light Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound) the following day. I am using two US PRO 2000 2nd edition at 20% Duty cycle for 15 minutes for the shaft and 5 minutes for both cruras separately. The 20% Duty cycle has 0.08 W /cm^intensity with pulse ratio 1:4 at 100Hz pulse rate.

Both treatments are applied keeping the penis in fixed length extender stretched out at length below the BPEL. This elongated state is prolonged at least for an hour after the treatment.

Third day is for resting while keeping the penis in the fixed length extender as described above 2-3 one hour sets a day. Not stretching the structure but keeping it not retracting because of the treatments and helping the new baseline ECM pressure to settle down for this structural size level.

It is reasonable to assume that I would still be in middle of the healing process from these treatments after 9 weeks from the start of the protocol, therefor I will limit the treatment in one tree weeks phase followed with 6 weeks of rest from ESWT. During the rest I will still use the LIPUS twice a week for 3 weeks.
The lasting three weeks I will start to do some very light jelqs and training the IC muscles before the next to come elongation period (P5).