Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I picked up a 3MHz sonicator with a 5 cm2 applicator (old used Mettler with built in limit 2.2 W/cm2 regardless of probe size). Tried 5 min at 1.5 W/cm2 and could sense the heat build up but no way to tell the temperature. Will try longer time at possibly lower intensity if necessary to see when the transition to the magical soft state happens. Probably will need to make a gel pad from a ziplock bag filled with gel or pick up one of the Aquaflex gel pads to place on the other side. What pads do you use? I was also contemplating carving a slot in some gel block to place the unit in while heating.
I do not have any extender coming from manual stretching and pumping so will be limited to US preheating followed by manual stretching while cooling. Do you think this approach has merit or is heating while stretching absolutely essential? I can pick up some vac hanger in the future for more controlled load application via weights. Can use a bottle filled with water or a different weight system and if necessary a block for angle control but likely straight down would be sufficient.

I came across an article that claims that heating is at least 3 times as rapid with 3MHz than 1 MHz so need to be careful going by feel alone.
At 1.5 W/cm2 and 3 MHz it took them 4 min to reach 40C at 2.5 cm depth in muscle whereas at 1MHz did not reach over 37C in 10 min.
Three-MHz Ultrasound Heats Deeper Into the Tissues Than Originally Theorized - PMC
They also reference another study "Draper et al found that 3-MHz ultrasound at 1.5 W/ cm2 heated at a rate of 0.9°C/min and 1-MHz ultrasound heated at a rate of 0.3°C/min. These findings make perfect sense because the crystal is deforming 3 times faster; thus, the energy should be absorbed 3 times faster. Yet, if we compare our data using the Theratouch 7.7, we see that 3-MHz ultrasound heated at a rate of 1.19°C/min (close to, yet faster than, the Draper et al 3-MHz data), whereas 1-MHz ultrasound heated at a rate of only 0.13°C/min"

Everything you mention has already been addressed in this thread. If you’re really interested make it part of your hobby to read and understand maybe 5 pages per day to catch up.
This is just like buying a book for PE.

I agree with Kyrpa. You are trying to get gains, not prove the science. If you have a vac extender, a string, and a fish scale, you are set.

Try to applied the stress quite slowly. Ease into it and try not to go above about 2.5kg. Then make sure you get about 2-3% strain. If it takes more than 2.5kg to get 2.5% strain, go slower.

This is why a US 101 would make sense at this point.
I have read most of this thread, a lot of hypothetical discussions mixed with empirical evidence, tough to separate. Looks like heating followed by stretching may be ok theoretically but is unproven. Rapid heating with 3 MHz may introduce another factor.

Why would you want extended growth periods alternating with extended rest periods, why not do growth with 100% duty cycle at full power and 20% cycle at low power (LIPUS) once a week each?

Maybe. I see the demand for the 101 thread building up? It should be composed at some point. But honestly speaking is there enough substance yet I am not sure. I mean would it be bold to compose one when many aspects have not been confirmed yet.

That would mean another dozens of hours with 3mhz machines temperature probes sticking out of the urethra opening. Writing any 101 based on anecdotals or relying on clinical studies on muscle or tendon only basis would be waste of time.

I am not going to buy 3Mhz machine any time soon so if someone wants to collaborate, then continue from where Manko007 left.
He run heating experiments with one thermometer probe. Unfortunately that is not enough, there have to be at least 2 channels to cover the whole shaft length

I would be happy to start the 101 when there is data enough. You know with deficient content the plethora of further questions remained as plenty it is now. Hang in there.

For your question, we are trying to maximize the gains both for the reason to see if it works and keeping ourselves motivated. If we want the academic world to raise their interests on PE, the progress should be significant over relatively short period of time.

There is no such a medical or physio therapeutic treatments lasting for years. If the physio therapy some day has PE in their repertoire we are looking for treatments designed to last one year at most.

IMO only PE treatment lasting for more than 3 years cant be any other than intensive psychotherapy.

The way you described is one possibility to reach out. I do encourage you to take that direction and collaborate by reporting back how it is going.
Your penis would still need to be under tension while heating, but the principle should be okey otherwise.
What to expect and in what time frame, we don’t know until you run it couple of months to years.

It is all relative, to me for instance is not an option of any kind spending years with my dick.
In fact I am basically done already having enough build under the two years umbrella.

We will finish our part in two to three years, leave the scene happy and pass the torch forward.

Yes

Hi,
Sorry for answering the original question after further responses.
As for the heating rate if Draper or just about anyone else are concerned, the heating rates are true in the context. Heating muscular tissue at the area of 2 to 3 times the ERA.

In our tests the heating rate have been quite different, as it varies in different contexts, treating different areas.

The heated area in my case is several times the ERA, if I am supposed to heat the whole shaft at once. Everyone can estimate the treated area of their own and make conclusion about the heating rate.
Estimating The Heating Rate

The 3MHz is quicker because of the higher frequency being absorbed at higher rate in the tissue. It also makes it worse to tolerate, because the intensity is felt in higher rate as well. Some of us have had to lower the intensity using 3MHz, and then the overall performance comes closer the 1MHz.

For the using US under the stretch only, there are few reasons. The collagen fibril alignment has shown to be accelerated to the direction of the force under the ultrasound.
Being flaccid without any external force, the internal ECM forces are bi-axial.
This could be lead to crosslinking during the US.
It is speculative but addresses concerns of shortening the structure.
Secondly being stretched the blood flow can be restricted in the some degree making the heating efforts more effective.

I have tried aquaflex pads and for future I have intended to carve a bed like you described.
It will be made out of this. DIY ULTRASOUND PHANTOM GEL – Humimic Medical

Until now the most effective ultrasound phantom remains to be my own flesh on the top of the thigh.

5 minutes is not enough. If you spend the time at the area 2x ERA you would mimic the Draper et al test runs.

Thanks

I apologize for re asking what has been asked before but i just reread multiple pages of this thread and need clarification

The 2-3 % strain that needs to be monitored after an extending session, does it mean that after a succesful extending session, my bpfsl should be 2-3% higher than before i started?

Yes. The values should be average of more than 3% for gaining fast. I can go through the notes of mine and others available and present some combined statististics.

Thank you for the detailed responses guys.

Do you think a silicone sleeve at a slightly lower acoustic impedance is ok to US through in case of vac hanger? EVA or polyurethane may be even better or this can be insignificant enough. I am worried about using a noose hanger but maybe it’s ok too. Never used either one but ebay has plenty of cheap Chinese made items like this

Massive Growth Penis Extender Vacuum Pump Enlarger Stretcher Male Enlargement | eBay

I read some of vac hanging threads and they seem ok for low load.

The synthetic temperature stable gelatin looks interesting. I also considered Gelli pads (mostly glycerin?) or motorcycle gel pad (polyurethane?) but phantom gel would be better.

It is up to personalized choices in which way to go attachment wise. Going beyond 4 kg load every application start to have some challenges.
With my set up I can go confortably and blister free up to 4kg, and 20minutes. Beyond that I risk lto oosing grip and to have blisters everytime.

Silicon rubber as a sleeve material should be ok, both for mechanical features and for ultrasound use as well

Bought a vac hanger. Will report any findings.

Thoughts on alternating US heat with LIPUS / ESWT every week or two? Sorry if missed your reply on this.

ESWT during the most intense gaining period might be too much , using LIPUS on days off would sound better. Taking a extended break , starting it with the ESWT 1/4 day for three weeks, combined with LIPUS 1/4 days. Another three weeks just relax, not touching if not sex. This wpould sound lot better to me.

PS. Got my ESWT today and ran the first 1200 shocks immediately. It means I will start my Period 5 for lenght at 8-9 weeks counting from this moment .

This may be better than a fish scale. Comes in different ranges. When the link breaks search eBay for "Newton Force Meter Spring Scale - Max Capacity 30N, 3Kg, Dual Scale Labeled".

Newton Force Meter Spring Scale - Max Capacity 30N, 3Kg, Dual Scale Labeled 849230035532 | eBay