Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Yeah , there are really accurate ones similar to that awailable. I would choose scale having upper limit higher though.

At the moment the one Tutt is using is really good, digital continiuously weighing model .
Because having load cell and not the spring, it can be used in the static stress relaxation setup really nicely.
https://www.ama … /dp/B0012T9QNA/

Yes, I would get the digital one that I am using as linked by Kyrpa. There are many advantages to using a continuous digital scale. A load cell can be used for stress relaxation and then a spring, elastic, or hanging weight added to switch to creep protocol. But if you start with a spring scale it is more difficult to switch over to a stress relaxation protocol because you have to create a way to lock the strain.

1Mhz US passes through the phallosan sleeves that I use just fine. I will advise that it is better to have US gel between the sleeve and the skin.

About the strain. The total average strain during the most effective gaining phases for Longerstretch (3,4%), DocJ(3,36%) and me (2,8%) was 3,14%.
These techniques were similar enough to calculate the total average.
Total of 123 datapoints were included.

Manko had different kind of protocol in use with fulrums and very specific spot heating resulting avg. 3,46% strain, this varied different techniques over the 13 months
Total of 24 datapoints were included.

At this point there is a reason to suggest, that to be gaining in really great fashion you would need to push for the 3 % average strain in every practise , minimum of 2,4% and repeteadly at the best days over 4%.

Even plethora of anecdots is not science, so we keep on logging these values continuosly.

From the baseline Kyrpa is referencing, the literature also supports approximately 3% strain as being the target deformation zone (a.k.a. the point at which the mechanical properties of the tissue have been permanently altered).

That is great news!!!!
I wish you meters and meters of phallic gain!
Could you elaborate more on LIPUS? I remember you touched the topic a few days ago but I had a hard time understanding what really is or what it consist of. I mean in practical terms outside scientific grammar. Thank you!

In weight hanging there is no need for a load cell as the load is known, it’s good with uncalibrated spring mechanism. As for the fixed length cooling the stress is unpredictable and can get dangerously high, I do not intend to run it this way.

You are correct that we need to transition from elastic into plastic deformation zone. It appears for our units it may be around 3.14159% with whatever stress necessary. Naturally yield strength at high temperature is lower. There may also be some magic in US beyond mere heating.

Have people been gaining BPEL without additional BPFSL increases, if that person already had for example, 0.5” flaccid stretch above erect length?

More results today. I’ll publish the charts later when there is more to see, but in summary, I went back to the original protocol but with an keen focus on rate of strain. Basically, that made the protocol very similar to what I proposed in post 98 in this thread. I did one warm set under FIR lamp with a strain rate of 1%/min and stopped once the load reached 1kg. It took about 15 minutes to get to that load target and the associated BPFSL was 5mm longer than the previous sessions with the same target load. This also exceeded the manual pre-treatment BPFSL by 1mm.

Second set, I used the same strain rate of 1%/min with a strain target of 2.5% above the warmup set. Once I got to that target under FIR, I applied US heat for 5 minutes. Then locked strain cooldown for 5 mintues and rest for 5 minutes. The peak load from this set was 2kg.

Third set, I repeated the process from set 2, but targeted a strain 1% beyond the previous set (+3.5% above warm set baseline). Peak load from this set was 2.1kg.

Fourth set, I repeated the process again, but targeted a strain 1% beyond the previous set (+4.5% above baseline). When I reached the target strain, the load was still below the 2.0kg target, so I continued at 1%/min rate until 2.0kg load was reached. Peak load from this set was, 2.0kg and ultimate cumulative strain was +6.6% above baseline.

I would’ve liked to take a bit more time in cooldown, but I had other things to do. After some time flaccid, I took a manual post-treatment BPFSL. The strain was +3.1% from pre-session, and +2.2% longer than last Thurs post measurement. I don’t particularly like the manual measurements. There is too much variability compared to the device measurements. If I take manual measurements 10 times, they might fluctuate +- 2mm depending on perspective and tissue interference. Basically, the manual measurement attempts to measure from the top center of the pubic bone, which is also where there are skin and ligs pulled very tight trying to lift the ruler off the bone. The extender anchors off the pubic bone to either side of the penis and returns a much tighter tolerance; approx +- 0.5mm, and I know how much force is being applied for the measurement.

You are referring to the difference between a stress relaxation protocol and a creep protocol. You evidently prefer the creep concept. Within the force realms that we are talking about, I can confirm that there is no danger in fixed length cooling. My device is very accurate at continually reading the load, and there is typically no more than about 0.3kg increase in load due to cooling.

I just finished running my first experimental US protocol.

This run was mostly acquire practice and knowledge about the handling of the equipment, asses the response of the tissues, test proposed setup and gear.

Tools used:

- Infrared Lamp. This lamp is not a professional LED with specific frequencies. Is it a generic red IR Lamp I bought on Ebay for the strict purpose of adding higher temperature to the area. Also, this Lamp has its own big standing frame which makes it very easy to fix at a certain distance and angle.

- X2 US Pro 2000 2nd Edition. Following the advice of Kyrpa, I started with two is these portable devices, and I ABSOLUTELY saw the importance to have two. There is no way to successfully cover the whole shaft at the desired temperature with only one device.

- Tension was produced by a vacuum hanger attachment followed by a fishing scale (0-50kg) and a bungee cord. Load was created by my own foot in a “gas pedal” fashion.

- Temperature was measured at the end of 20 minutes of US therapy via digital thermometer between the shaft and the leg.

Initial BPFSL 22cm
FInal BPFSL 22.8cm
Strain 3.5%

Performed the following sequence. Once again, this was the first experimental run, many things will have to be adjusted from now on, being the most important, Tension and Load setup. Second, positioning of the shaft and temperature.

- 30 minutes of stress relaxation. Started at 1kg and slowly increased throughout the 30 minutes to reach 2.5kg Infrared Lamp was at about 12 inches apart the whole time.

- After 30 minutes switched to UltraSound. Tension was augmented to 4kg. I could immediately feel the heat on my leg. The perception of heat in the leg and in the shaft are different. In the leg I could definitely feel a “burn”, while in the shaft I could feel an interesting “tingling” sensation. Used each US Pro on each half of the shaft in a rotating motion slowly covering each half for 20 minutes.

At the 20 minute mark, measure temperature. Unfortunately, the read was 39.7 C twice.

- Cooldown with same load for 20 minutes.

Observations:

My setup is deplorable. Perhaps the lack of temperature is because my shaft was not resting fully on my leg towards the side, but rather almost running down the leg towards my foot. My leg was in a slight angle while sitting in the couch, I passed the bungee cord with the fishing scale on the outside of my knee to allow the shaft to rest on the leg as much as possible.

I have an idea for the setup. Eventually I expect to attach at the end of the bungee cord an adjustable strap. The other end of the strap will be fixed to a solid point. It is not an easy task, since the 22cm of shaft, plus about 15cm of the fishing scale, makes the strap start at around 37 cm. That means, the adjustment of the strap will be around half a meter from the base of the shaft way below my knee. Perhaps I will come up with a different solution, Maybe juste getting a rolling chair and push myself away to create tension. The fact that the fishing scale stays a little below my knee, is not easy to read the numbers, but easy to see the big lines with represent 1kg each.

I believe that my shaft resting more firmly against my leg in a more sideways fashion will provide better temperature readings. Also, in order to measure temperature I quickly removed the US, turned the thermometer on and put it underneath. I am not sure if perhaps during that time some heat was lost from the tissues. Still, the technique must be improved anyways.

Another observation is that 1kg feels like absolutely nothing. I believe, as I posted before, that the different loads have a different impact on different sizes and structures. 1kg barely provided straighten of the tissues. Still, started at 1kg and increased to a final 2.5kg during stress relaxation. For this same reason I decided to use 4kg while under US. Very comfortable, absolutely no slippage of the vacuum.

I will keep learning from the absolutely valuable information posted by great members here and improving my own technique. Thank you all for your contributions.

Thats what I thought also before Tutt started to show some figures, I was sure the loads will be skyrocketing in the static cooldown.
But that is not the case, the stress relaxation seems to be increased to such a high level the initial peak is smoothened really effectively.
The following stiffening peaks are even smaller than the first one. Despite felt discomfort the loads aren´t actually sky high.
Of coure this can be relative to the initial load, Tutt havign such a low load , the peaks and the discomfort level are low as well .
If the load is significantly higher at the cooldown start, maybe the thermally increased stress relaxation can´t cope with it and the initial force peak should rise.

Thatś the pi you are presenting. I am not sure why?

Yet there is permanent (seemingly plastic) elongation seen with the therapeutic heat induced strain, we are nowhere near the plastic zone.

The term plastic zone, or plastic region applies with fully elastic materials. It is a engineering term fitting poorly with living biological soft tissue.
Plastic zone occurs in elastic materials under tensile stress after the elastic properties are in the end of the their range .
It can be seen in the stress strain curve as a significant flattening bonds been broken , material yielding resulting sudden significant lengthening before it breaks.

If you have been taking a look into load strain curve we are operating in the very beginning of the elastic region. A plastic zone , if there ever was one for the piece we are stretching would occur at the end of the elastic region. And we have not weakened the material that much plastic zone had been lowered this low.
That would mean we are just about to break our weapon.

Warren, Lehmann et co, have been telling since 1970 that there is relatively small amount of damages in the tissue relative the given strain with heat.
The closer the temperature was to 45C the stronger the tissue was in given strain , in fact they said that producing the strains greater we do under 45 C it can be done just about damage free.

The magic happening due thermal transition may present plastic deformation, but no way we can use the term plastic region or yield strength in this occasion.
It is a living organ having very high visco-elastic characteristics and no way the typical elastic materials stress strain curve fits in the picture.

If you look on the temperature decays seen in Mnakos and mine graphs and in every academic ultrasound study as well, the initial drop in the temperature is huge once the ultrasound has been removed. It drops 1-2 degrees C in just 30 seconds.

You can have a adjustment for the strap near the vacuum cup using a pulley concept.
We would need to talk about the first phase more. If the stretch is continuous pull then we are utilizing creep. If the load is adjusted and the vacuum cup then somehow locked in place that is stress relaxation utilizing stretch.

There are several ways to perform it . With elastic band I apply the decided load and sitting at the edge of the seat, tension pulling downward lock the vacuum cup against rubbery cushion between the cup and the seat , there is the tension but the cup can´t travel any forward. Every 5 minutes I then re-apply the same load once the stress relaxation occurs in the shaft.

I got lost after the tension pulling downwards LOL. What kind of rubbery cushion between the cup and the seat are you referring to?

I hope that was done on purpose, lol.