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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by Ramrod360
Kyrpa,

I have a question about the scale you are using to measure the force when doing your stretching. If I recall it was a digital luggage or fish scale, is that correct? If it is, does the display stay on the whole time you are stretching or does it time out after a while and switch off? I am trying to modify my stretcher so I can measure the force applied while heating as I have no idea what it is. I plan to attach a scale to it but if the digital ones shut off then it will not really be that functional.

Thanks
R

Common problem withl hanging scales and most likely with every luggage scale. Another is the locking mode, there need to be a option for continuous weighing. Tutt found a perfect and affordable scale already. He has mentioned it in this thread.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by mr. fingers
Hey Kyrpa, I was wondering about girth work while having a break from the US assisted stretching. I’m still having over 2% strain with a light weight so it isn’t for the coming week or anything, but it just came to mind if the decon break could be used effectively in terms of girth. I’d be looking at them old jelqs first and after getting used to that considering clamping. What would be your take on this?

There is not such a thing called decon break with girthwork. You either workout or rest.
When we reach the point of diminishing gains with length, the tissue, more precisely the extracellular matrix of collagenous tissues in tunica and especially in septum, is already at a very high level of residual stress.
At this point the girth work has to be composed in a form of not stressing the septum lengthwise.
Doing restricted length pumping or clamping exercises we can put our efforts into outer parts of the tunica excluding the stressing of the septum that much. With the procedure we might have a chance to shorten the needed full rest period versus to what is expected doing traditional clamping and pumping with maximal lengthwise stress.

But that does not mean we can forget the full rest period, the de-conditioning break is inevitable.
Without complete rest for weeks to months most of us can say goodbye for all future length gains.
The longer the better, more often the better.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Ext64
I was keeping the vacuum attachment on for 2 hrs and 20 minutes.

1 hr of penimaster with heat to warm up
20 min of penimaster + US
1 hr of penimaster alone to cool down

Not using it as all day stretcher. Just using it with the above routine for 3 days on, 2 days off.

I also get fluid build up that dissipates. But sometimes I would get some small blisters.. Like 2 or 3 blisters that are like 1/3 the size of a tic tac each.

But a few times I got big blisters like the size of a peanut M&M. Not fun :)

Are most of you guys releasing the vacuum to take breaks, while doing a similar routine as above? Or did I misunderstand the routine in general?

For me the 2hours 20minutes session would be a invitation to blistering. For what I have experienced the continuous 50 minutes is about the max. But I have to mention that I use high vacuum at the start knowing the pressure using a pump with a gauge.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by S.N.R
Hello Kyrpa, I want to know your opinion. There are people who write that they have BPFSL less than BPEL, do you think this is generally realistic from the point of view of philology? It’s just that for me this is wildness and ignorance, there cannot be an extended length less than an erection. Maybe people just do not pull very much during the measurement or they are simply not educated enough, but what do you say, is this possible?

I had a identical BPFSL to BPEL at the start , And I pulled as hard as I could.
Anyways guys having very expanding glans can have a longer BPEL to start with , especially if they are not pulling hard enough while measuring. But we are talking about millimeters here.

But I am sure there can be some difficulties to measure as well if having a full covering foreskin for instance.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Plumwhipper

I’m afraid to say I’m quite useless when it comes to anything to do with tools and mechanics. The extender is the basic LeLuv slider extender

I use this exact extender without the rods, replaced by a strap attached via a bungee cord to a load cell American Weigh Scales SR-20 (operation switched to advanced mode so it stays on all the time).

I do US only 2.2 W 3 MHz at 1-1.2 kg load (higher load slips) 30 min without pre-heat, followed by 15 min cooldown under load. In 40+ sessions 3 times a week I have learned that it gets to temperature (subjectively) in 15-20 min. After a 30 min session I get 2-3 mm extension, after a 40 min session 3-4 mm but EQ falls so I keep it at 30 min. Got 10 mm stretched gain, no erect gain.


Last edited by Azazello : 10-06-2020 at .

Correction: I meant US 2.2 W/cm^2 with 5 cm^2 area .

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Common problem withl hanging scales and most likely with every luggage scale. Another is the locking mode, there need to be a option for continuous weighing. Tutt found a perfect and affordable scale already. He has mentioned it in this thread.

Thank you


Oct 2011: BPEL 6.38" MSEG 4.72"

March 2017: BPEL 7.4" MSEG 5.25"

June 2018: BPEL 7.5" MSEG 5 3/8"

Originally Posted by Azazello
I use this exact extender without the rods, replaced by a strap attached via a bungee cord to a load cell American Weigh Scales SR-20 (operation switched to advanced mode so it stays on all the time).

I do US only 2.2 W 3 MHz at 1-1.2 kg load (higher load slips) 30 min without pre-heat, followed by 15 min cooldown under load. In 40+ sessions 3 times a week I have learned that it gets to temperature (subjectively) in 15-20 min. After a 30 min session I get 2-3 mm extension, after a 40 min session 3-4 mm but EQ falls so I keep it at 30 min. Got 10 mm stretched gain, no erect gain.

That might be the same load cell scale also Tutt had in his setup.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I also learned not to be too obsessed about PE and results rather do the exercises when you can and just make sure they will be done without calendar and clock ticking.
After introducing girth orientated exercises and stretched kegels my EQ has been improving week by week.

Hi Kyrpa,

So I’m just restarting out on another cycle of length routine using US. I’d done two cycles early in the year but stopped as I felt I wasn’t getting anywhere, but on reflection I think it was partly since the US machine I had first bought wasn’t so effective, and also I wasn’t using a secondary heat source. And yet I still seemed to get 3mm in BPFSL, so can’t say it didn’t yield anything… But anyway now I’m restarting the same length routine and trying to have a more methodical measured approach (e.g. just bought that thermometer to be able to accurately check temperature I’m heating to). Then plan has been to keep it simple - do the stress-relax part, then the US for 15 mins to the right temp, then manual stretch for 10 mins in all directions and then over fulcurms, but leave it there (e.g. no long periods in extender after).

So for an outline of a plan, it sounds so far so good. But… I’ve done the first 3 days, and this is now the second day off after that. But I’m finding EQ is pretty poor, no morning wood for example, and difficulty getting hard for AM3 exercise. I do remember you mentioning early on in your routine that poor EQ was an indicator that something was actually working with US, and that you found it rebounded after some days. I’m wondering though for me what to do if EQ doesn’t rebound, or how long to take off. Part of the plan is of course to include the IC contraction exercises we discussed before, and this time I also was planning to add AM3 exercises on a 1 on, 1 off schedule, as I believe this is something that can also really contribute to EQ. But this morning and yesterday my EQ is too poor for AM3 to work properly.

So I’m at trying to analyse this and decide what to modify. If I carry on with a US length routine I guess I need more days off between sets perhaps - presumably EQ should be coming back before US is continued, isn’t that right? For me flaccid hang is very good, but it’s almost no point if EQ is so bad. Or perhaps I should instead start an EQ-focused routine instead (maybe something simple IC contraction exercises combined with AM3 and pumping - but nothing too extreme like clamping or TT etc). Of course this is only a decision I can make, I guess I’m only writing this down as a way to try to sort out my thoughts on this.

Thanks


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.5" BPEL x 5.98" EG (average distal/mid/base shaft)

Goal: 8" BPEL x 6.5" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Hi Kyrpa,

So I’m just restarting out on another cycle of length routine using US. I’d done two cycles early in the year but stopped as I felt I wasn’t getting anywhere, but on reflection I think it was partly since the US machine I had first bought wasn’t so effective, and also I wasn’t using a secondary heat source. And yet I still seemed to get 3mm in BPFSL, so can’t say it didn’t yield anything… But anyway now I’m restarting the same length routine and trying to have a more methodical measured approach (e.g. just bought that thermometer to be able to accurately check temperature I’m heating to). Then plan has been to keep it simple - do the stress-relax part, then the US for 15 mins to the right temp, then manual stretch for 10 mins in all directions and then over fulcurms, but leave it there (e.g. no long periods in extender after).

So for an outline of a plan, it sounds so far so good. But… I’ve done the first 3 days, and this is now the second day off after that. But I’m finding EQ is pretty poor, no morning wood for example, and difficulty getting hard for AM3 exercise. I do remember you mentioning early on in your routine that poor EQ was an indicator that something was actually working with US, and that you found it rebounded after some days. I’m wondering though for me what to do if EQ doesn’t rebound, or how long to take off. Part of the plan is of course to include the IC contraction exercises we discussed before, and this time I also was planning to add AM3 exercises on a 1 on, 1 off schedule, as I believe this is something that can also really contribute to EQ. But this morning and yesterday my EQ is too poor for AM3 to work properly.

So I’m at trying to analyse this and decide what to modify. If I carry on with a US length routine I guess I need more days off between sets perhaps - presumably EQ should be coming back before US is continued, isn’t that right? For me flaccid hang is very good, but it’s almost no point if EQ is so bad. Or perhaps I should instead start an EQ-focused routine instead (maybe something simple IC contraction exercises combined with AM3 and pumping - but nothing too extreme like clamping or TT etc). Of course this is only a decision I can make, I guess I’m only writing this down as a way to try to sort out my thoughts on this.

Thanks

You said it yourself, only done the first cycle. No way to make any decisions judging on that.

My early cycles were like that the EQ stayed low during the three days stint , coming back in two days of rest. Best when the two days rest was rest without any other activity than sex.
Later that has subsided and the EQ remains just fine getting used to US and having no jelqing included anymore like the earlier runs did.

Make adjustments after some more experience if needed. Think in cycles for PI´s and results as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by waterman888
Hi Kyrpa,

So I’m just restarting out on another cycle of length routine using US. I’d done two cycles early in the year but stopped as I felt I wasn’t getting anywhere, but on reflection I think it was partly since the US machine I had first bought wasn’t so effective, and also I wasn’t using a secondary heat source. And yet I still seemed to get 3mm in BPFSL, so can’t say it didn’t yield anything… But anyway now I’m restarting the same length routine and trying to have a more methodical measured approach (e.g. just bought that thermometer to be able to accurately check temperature I’m heating to). Then plan has been to keep it simple - do the stress-relax part, then the US for 15 mins to the right temp, then manual stretch for 10 mins in all directions and then over fulcurms, but leave it there (e.g. no long periods in extender after).

3mm of additional BPFSL with the US heat over without?

Originally Posted by waterman888

So for an outline of a plan, it sounds so far so good. But… I’ve done the first 3 days, and this is now the second day off after that. But I’m finding EQ is pretty poor, no morning wood for example, and difficulty getting hard for AM3 exercise. I do remember you mentioning early on in your routine that poor EQ was an indicator that something was actually working with US, and that you found it rebounded after some days. I’m wondering though for me what to do if EQ doesn’t rebound, or how long to take off. Part of the plan is of course to include the IC contraction exercises we discussed before, and this time I also was planning to add AM3 exercises on a 1 on, 1 off schedule, as I believe this is something that can also really contribute to EQ. But this morning and yesterday my EQ is too poor for AM3 to work properly.

Only first 3 days into the US protocol? I mean 3mm of addtional BPFSL in simply 3 days of adding US heat.

Originally Posted by waterman888

So I’m at trying to analyse this and decide what to modify. If I carry on with a US length routine I guess I need more days off between sets perhaps - presumably EQ should be coming back before US is continued, isn’t that right? For me flaccid hang is very good, but it’s almost no point if EQ is so bad. Or perhaps I should instead start an EQ-focused routine instead (maybe something simple IC contraction exercises combined with AM3 and pumping - but nothing too extreme like clamping or TT etc). Of course this is only a decision I can make, I guess I’m only writing this down as a way to try to sort out my thoughts on this.

Thanks

Just keep going, I wouldn’t worry about EQ in the extreme short term.. Worry about it, after you start healing in the longer term. During my growth periods, EQ would be down for a short period afterwards, because the workouts were intense. But after a month or multiple months of increased BPFSL there would be increased realized BPEL. The EQ recovers when the workouts are lighter and more of a maintenance dose.

One of the benefits of IR heat was increased capillaries and increased EQ over time. US is said to also improve EQ over time. Which is superior for increased penile “health” and EQ? IR or US?

Originally Posted by djrobins

One of the benefits of IR heat was increased capillaries and increased EQ over time. US is said to also improve EQ over time. Which is superior for increased penile “health” and EQ? IR or US?

Impossible to call. Overall my personal penis health is magnitudes better than the last ten years or so. Some credit can be contributed for the exercises but most certainly some of it should be because of US.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

OK thanks guys, appreciate your thoughts on this. It’s the end of the second rest day and still no rebound in EQ.

So I’ll experiment a bit. I’ll try to keep it simple - only IC contraction exercises perhaps (no AM3, no pumping, no extender). Actually the contraction of IC on those exercises is so weak, I don’t know where my strength has gone from earlier in the year, or maybe those muscles are affected by all this stretching….

Anyway I’ll carry on and see where I get to. As you say, maybe not to worry too much about it at this stage.


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.5" BPEL x 5.98" EG (average distal/mid/base shaft)

Goal: 8" BPEL x 6.5" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by djrobins
3mm of additional BPFSL with the US heat over without?

Only first 3 days into the US protocol? I mean 3mm of addtional BPFSL in simply 3 days of adding US heat.

It was 3mm in Jan/Feb during my first two attempts at cycles.


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.5" BPEL x 5.98" EG (average distal/mid/base shaft)

Goal: 8" BPEL x 6.5" EG (whole shaft)

Originally Posted by waterman888
It was 3mm in Jan/Feb during my first two attempts at cycles.

Member “Sensei891” gained 1.5 BPSFL over a little more than a month of US heating protocol. The BPEL increase was 1.9 cm.

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