Gaining volume with Kyrpa

What is your experience or history with PE?
What made you look into the US therapy?

I ask because there is something I have been advising a lot of people trying to get into this. There are some risks that everybody has to be aware of. First and foremost, this therapy is intended strictly for people who had absolutely beyond any doubt depleted any possible length gains due to the septum. This point is achieved after years and years of PE exercising, to the point in which absolutely everything has been tried and the septum has only grown thicker and stronger.

Why is that? Well, because when your septum becomes the limiting factor, other structures begin to grow and develop around. Tunica grows leading to bigger girth, CS grows leading to a soft CS instead of a bulging notorious CS, and your erections are rock hard solid and frequent. The old days known TGC theory applies here.

What happens if you decide to go with US and you HAVE NOT reached the point of experience and results? The quick growth of extra septum and inner tunica will lead directly to erectile dysfunction. If the member is inexperienced, the level of dysfunction will be severe. Others might develop what is known in our community as “hard flaccid”. Now, is this reversible? ABSOLUTELY. BUT, not over night with a magic pill. It will take of course stopping any septum exercise and dedicate strictly to tunica and girth exercises in order to bring up that smooth muscle in the CC’s, CS, and tunicae. So the cure for that self induced dysfunction will take whatever time takes to the individual to grow those other supporting structures to bring balance back to the unit.

I have had many people ask me about this therapy, and I always answer this recommendation. It is for experienced users.

One more thing, the main purpose of this therapy IS NOT BPEL. Again, due to the nature of this brilliant creation from Kyrpa, the core principle on the foundation of this therapy is Septum growth. That means, BPFSL growth, NOT BPEL growth. Certainly, BPEL might be affected as a secondary collateral effect, but the intention of the US Therapy IS NOT BPEL.

Many members trying this therapy tend to get anxious and desperate waiting for BPEL results, but that is the wrong approach. This therapy will create that extra Septum expansion that will give the potential to later develop BPEL and that is the result of completely different exercises and protocols that have already been proven in our community for many years.

Basically, a member who is under US therapy shall not be worried about BPEL results, simply because the individual has already MASTERED BPEL growth. The reason why he did not grow anymore, is because the Septum became the ultimate limiting factor. This same individual will perform this US therapy, create a new gap of BPFSL>PBEL and the potential to after a determined amount of time transition into the protocol specifically intended for BPEL and unlock new growth.

I am sure watermann has been around long enough and having the ability to gain BPEL for having this sorted out eventually. He has been on it as long as you have I believe and gained already during his campaigns.

In general you are right on the concept, it is crucial to sort out how to gain in the first place. The protocol automatically provides some BPEL gains following the BPFSL gains for the majority. To expand the full potential provided by the new BPFSL length the user needs to master the conventional techniques for BPEL gains. I have found concentrating on exercises considered as a girth workouts having the greatest impact on BPEL. The erect penis is a 3D- volume and for BPEL gains we need to grow it multi-axially.

Yeah I know! And other hard gainers on here are making amazing gains as well. It’s what made me analyse what was going wrong as I’m a hard gainer for sure, but in my case I’m more hard gainer now as I’ve made good gains in the past (about 1.5” BPEL) so I don’t know maybe that’s all I can get. But I want to give this a go, but to be sure I need to do everything by the book before I say it doesn’t or does work. Therefore… looking at my notes from Jan-Feb (and knowing that it didn’t feel that great at the time) I think it was down to partly using a US machine that wasn’t that great, then I had switched to a proper one, then I didn’t have a secondary heat source, etc. So what I’m trying to do now is to be methodical and do things exactly as they should be done with no shortcuts. I guess for all of us it’s a learning process to really understand what’s going on and what’s needed, not just to do some actions and hope for the best. To this end:

- I’ve got a thermometer on order with two measuring points which I want to check temp with
- I’ve started to use US heat over a rice sock which certainly helps
- This morning I tried pulling with PMP vac head during US with my luggage scales so that I could see I was getting at least 3kg pull (rather than manual pull) - I hadn’t used this before due to risk of blisters, but as others say it’s usually high force and long time where that becomes a problem, and here it’s not that much force and only 20 mins. And it was fine.

Things to continue to check on for this set up is going to be:

- Whether PMP at max extension (1.1kg) is enough as the stress-relax part (I go for 1.5 - 2 hours so I guess it’s OK)
- I’m going to look back on the threads to see if I can convert my second PMP head with a pump attachment - similar as Kyrpa does. I’ve got the pump, just need the thing it attaches to. I think for me that would provide less risk of slipping/blistering - my glans is big enough it fills the cup without the diaphragm anyway.
- And maybe I might invest in an advanced mode digital scale that doesn’t lock or turn off - mine does, but it’s maybe OK as once the force is set, as long as I don’t move as I heat each side it should be more or less the same… I’ll see on this one.

Thanks Igigi, thanks Kyrpa,

Yeah I’ve been doing PE since 1998 on and off, all kinds of different exercises and contraptions - I guess I was an easy gainer at the start, I remember I got half an inch very quickly and couldn’t believe it when starting stretching and jelqing. Since then I did manual stretching, hanging weights, extending, Xeno’s girth routines with the TT, etc…. so lots of efforts where I’m now about 1.5” bigger in BPEL and also bigger in girth. The past few years I spent a lot of time on Xeno’s style of routine and I think it will have contributed to girth a bit - at the time when doing them the girth expansion is crazy, along with some length expansion, but then it goes back to where it was before. So for example, I had what I felt was a very productive session in May with clamped TT sets with high pressure pumping after, and my penis was massive after and stayed that way for days. But in the end, BPEL remains the same, and girth doesn’t seem to have changed either.

So now that this session was going to start again, the plan had been to go back to a girth routine, but gut feeling was telling me there wasn’t much to be had there by now. Then I reconsidered whether I should first do US for length again, this time making sure I have everything correctly done. I get what you’re saying about it being for BPFSL gains and then BPEL would come later additionally from girth exercises, that’s how I see it as well. I have a hard septum I can palpate as well, but the difference I think with you guys is that my BPFSL has always been greater than BPEL, whereas in your cases I think it was the same or the other way around. But still… in my case it’s always been like that, so maybe some people are constructed in that way and they just need to get more BPFSL in order for BPEL to catch up… and when it does, BPFSL might again also be ahead of BPEL when that happens.

Anyway these are my thoughts - I think I just need to be detailed and methodical in my approach.

Another reason for my low EQ could be simpler - I’ve not slept well this week, since Tuesday I’ve met someone that I think could end up being my soulmate and it’s been an emotional rollercoaster, butterflies in stomach, my head is all over the place, I’m anxious etc… could be it’s just that!! Phew… what a week.

Is there any technique yet that you found to give consistent girth gains? I´ve tried your length protocol in the past with good results(despite using a heating pad and not us) but cant seem to get any girth gains(and tried a lot)

OK so I’m going to get some of these (SR-20) but just before I do, I had a look at the instructions online and can’t see how the advanced anti-lock function would work. Seems to say it just gets to the stabilised temperature and then a light comes on and it shows HOLD and the reading is then fixed. How do you carry out the function where it weighs continuously?

I don’t have one but, scroll the page down to customer questions, it is told there.
Make sure this one is the actual one which does not have the automatic closedown feature either.

EDIT: it has battery saving feature, so it will shutdown automaticly.
Maybe the Tutt one was different afterall.

To be honest I still cannot show a protocol other than the few different experimental ways shown in this thread.
I still believe that the US heated stretches (bundled) pre-treated maximal expansion workouts are the most promising way for me.
The conventional pumping or clamping should take years and in the mean time develop severe discoloration. Definitely for me that is not the way to go.

At the moment I am focused on re-emerging the decon induced loss in size and trying to pass the former peak.

OK thanks Kyrpa, I’ll look around then. In case Tutt signs in maybe he can cross check for us.

Fellas,

So we have enough cases of US heating combined with stretching regiments to provide length gains where a man had originally
been stalled on the septum for years.

Is there also a case for US heating in clamping? To provide additional expansion in cases where a man had previously maxed out his gains?

Not solved yet how to be utilized at similar magnitude. Fully clamped has proven to be very hard to heat up with low intensity.
With two 1.6w/cm^2 transducer the urethral temperature only reached 38.5 C which is way too low.
Heating the flaccid shaft prior the introduction of the clamp the temperature drops steeply immediately when the 37 C arterial blood rushes in.
The therapeutic window is very limited. Multiple heat cycles combined with clamping sets needs to be produced.

Hello Kyrpa, I too am from Finland and was going to send you PM but I decided to post here if anyone finds this helpful.

I started my PE journey at 2010. I quickly maxed my length gains and I developed serious upward curve. I too have this steel cord at top of my dick. I started using US 24th of September now after few sessions my BPFSL has gone from 22.5 cm to 23.7 cm and max temporary elongation I have reached after therapy is 24.2 cm.

Now my problem is that my erection is now pretty much complete shit. I had this beautiful woman that I had to bang and I can’t get my dick steel hard. Before therapy my BPEL was 20.5 cm I once measured 21 cm. Now when I reach 20.5 cm I can bend my dick, I have reached little over 21 cm but my dick still wasn’t 100% hard.

Because I have so little left, only 6 US sessions and full 30 days cycle is over, I have decided to bear that. I hope that by then I will be 24 cm.

My program is this:

I start SO stretch from 1 kg and every 5 minutes I raise load to get to 2.25 to 2.5kg (25-30 min) assisted with IR
US stretch SO 3 kg 20 min
Cooling SD with 3 kg

Out of the 12 US sessions I have made 5 cooling down with fulcrum straight down hanging.

Do you think that fulcrum stretch when cooling down is bad for future gains?

My average stretch is 1,93%, best is first US session 3,02% and after that my 11th session 2,89%.

When 30 days is over I will stop this stretching routine and go for girth training. Kyrpa do you think that low pressure pumping 3-5 Hg is something I should not do? Will I stress my septum too much? What would you recommend for light girth training to get my erection back, basically I now have erectile dysfunction? And should I do girth training for 30 days and then take 2-3 weeks off and then go back to US stretching?

I am now measuring sitting down from the top 8x6 BPEL and when curve is measured I am 8.6 BPEL. My goal is 9*6.5-6.75 and with curve 9.6 length. I think that will be perfect size I have never bottomed out and there has been no problems with my girth. Women are always so wet and tented that I need a bigger weapon. It is same story with every woman, they have never been so wet with any other man. I don’t know if they lie or not, I haven’t asked about their sex life they just automatically tell me.

Hello,

Nice to hear a fellow citizen having made some progress.

Not surprised at all. Such a big sudden increase in flaccid length will in many cases cause similar symptoms.
People need to get accustomed to it as seem to be already happened in your case.
The EQ will bounce at latest back when your increase in length has settled down and you are into girthwork.
With manual clamping manoeuvres , expanding the shaft between your hands clamped at the base and the glans you can have huge expansion still not stretching lengthwise. Combining with the pumping you mentioned with a little tweak.

You can restrict the length while in the cylinder with a stopper cushion of some sort. Rolling a sock and putting it in the top end of the cylinder is one way to do ti.
For the length of the girth campaign you can have your BPEL development and EQ as a indicator. 30 days might be it , you will see.
About the decon duration I would suggest longer period if you like to maintain the gain rate.

About you mentioning the women I am with you. I have been amazed of the describtions seen in here from the guys smaller than us telling how their women can´t take their dicks without some sort of complications. Maybe it is the finnish women happily taking all the cock available no matter the size.

No, I can´t see any connection.

Thanks a lot Kyrpa! I will try length restricted clamping and pumping.

So how long decon would you recommend, at least two months? And during this decon I can’t do light jelqing or any sort of PE?

And for some little off topic about women. A year ago I was with this young hot nurse and when she saw my dick, I was maybe little over 6” girth because I had one hell of a erection. She first said that my dick wouldn’t fit inside her. I said her “trust me it will go in easy, I know what I am doing”. And with some pussy eating and foreplay she was soaking wet. Entry was tight but it went in really easy and I didn’t bottom out. Afterwards she said that I was double the size she has gotten, I was only her 3rd guy. She was really amazed how easily it went in and it didn’t hurt at all like with previous guys, I just said to her “other men have never really got you turned on” and she said “yes that is true, I never knew I could be so wet and horny”.

Afterwards every time we had sex she was raving about my size. With average size penis you can easily hurt woman if you just stick it in and pound mercilessly when pussy hasn’t warmed up.

Guys confidence and skills are the key when you have sex, big dick is just a bonus. Every woman I have been, have been turned on because I am determined and know what I am doing, my dick size is not what turned them on, they were soaking wet before they even saw it.