Igigi's quest for the foot long with UltraSound Therapy

Interesting indeed. One factor for sure, is the fact that during P1 I was using significantly higher tension. Up to 7kg in some instances, but averaging around 5kg.

However, the lower strain this time is a controlled situation. I have on purpose used lower tension this time to avoid at all costs toughening or inflammation. This is why this is a complete assessment approach.

In other words, P1 worked successfully. Good. Now in P2, let us see if we can have similar results with lower tension to make it even safer, reliable, and build up from there.

Therefore, strain currently is significantly lower. Once again, let us play with variables.

- I have consistently during 2 cycles achieved the same low strain with no more than 4kg. 30 minutes stress relaxation, 20 minutes US stress relaxation, 10 minutes cool down. I have already tried 25/25 minutes, 30/30 minutes with no significant difference.

- Next step is to run a conventional workout on creep only. 30/20/10 (30 minutes cold, 20 minutes US, 10 cool down) And asses results.

- Next step is to run a conventional workout on 30 minutes stress relaxation, 20 minutes US creep, 10 cool down and asses the results.

Each one of these experimental approaches have the availability to tweak timing as variables.

If any of these experimental approaches lead to a significant change, then weight/tension will be reviewed and corrected for proper strain.

You know, igigi, as brilliant as the results are: We are still doing bro science, so to speak :D . And that is also good! I hope that we can define a routine that works with creep, as it is much easier to implement. For that we need all our data and the combination ability of our Finnish friend.

In your P1, you achieved outstanding strains. However, you have to admit that the long pauses distort the result. As impressive as the results were, I have not yet been able to draw a logical conclusion from them. In the long run, I want to subject the results to a statistical analysis. If we change the routine every few days, then I’m powerless.

Yes, it could distort the results, for the better. You are right. I also agree that if we change the routine every a few days, we cant have a standardized approach. However, this is something that WE HAVE to go through in my opinion, in order to achieve exactly that: A standard routine.

So for example in the case of my P1, we know most of it worked. Perhaps, after this Period I could run another P1, this time without breaks (assuming blister issue has been corrected for good)

Now, in the case of P2, by changing the routine I will dial down what approach works the best in P2 vs P1 and from that narrow it down even further.

What happens here is that we are pioneers. That is why it is IMPERATIVE to record every detail of what we do for further reference, for troubleshooting, and of course to build from there.

BIG UPDATE:

Gentlemen, it has begun. BPEL is coming along behind BPFSL.

All along I had this “gut feeling” I admit, completely out of science, however, a perception built up from science.

My initial BPEL was 22cm, just as BPFSL.

P1 yielded 2 full cm of gains in BPFSL, no gains on BPEL.

After P1 I engaged in some BPEL exercise, no established routine, rather trying and testing certain exercises that in a span of 4-6 weeks game me 0.5cm. Therefore, I officially wrote down my results from P1 as 2cm in BPFSL at 24cm and 0.5cm in BPEL at 22.5. After that, all exercising was halted until P2.

As you all know, I am currently on P2, 2 cycles performed and preparing for cycle 3 this weekend after healing a blister.

Today, after talking to Raptor about BPEL, I have decided from the beginning of this approach to not give importance to BPEL. Why? Because I had no problem, growing it in the past. My gains stopped once I reach the dead end, the septum. And that is why I have been dedicated to BPFSL only and exclusively.

In this conversation about BPEL coming behind, we have seen that some achieve BPEL gains while doing US, others by complementing the routine with other exercises.

Today, out of curiosity, I induced a natural erection, no aid of any kind whatsoever, no pumping, no ring, nothing, and I went to measure. To my surprise, my BPEL is 23.2cm. That is 0.7cm bigger than after P1, and is 1.2cm bigger since the beginning of Ultrasound.

Now, what is the explanation for this? I have no idea at this point. Could it be just part of the natural re-adjustment of the tissues? perhaps.

However, interestingly enough, as crazy as this sounds, there was a sign of this.

I have said all along that by pushing for BPFSL, eventually the BPEL has to follow. Once the septum grows a certain percentage, the other tissues around have no option but to give in and follow. I have also stated before that in my case, I’ve always have a curve to the right. Nothing crazy, a slight curve. Lately, I have noticed my flaccid hanging bigger, and a diminished curve. Less than usual. That made me thing a few days ago: “What if the US elongation is finally forcing the tunica to reorganize and straighten. Today, that seems to be the case.

Btw, 23.2 equals 9.13”

Wow Igigi that is great news! Glad to hear BPEL catching up. I’ve been in contact with you and reading your thread for the past year and you have hypothesized that the erect length should follow after all. I do know that Kyrpa had mentioned about doing manuals as his cool-down and believes those helped so that definitely corresponds to your possible outcomes of others gaining erect length with US.

Really curious to see what comes from your third cycle. Do you have any other inclinations that maybe your P2 first and second cycle helped due to you utilized SR rather than Creep?

Indeed my friend we spoke about BPEL finally giving in at some point. I say it is safe to assume that, given that in reality those tissues have no other place to go but forward with the septum.

Absolutely, I have been wondering in my head ever since I started P2 about the potential differences in elongation of stress relaxation compared to creep. Which makes this whole process absolutely fascinating because of the many variables still pending to try. I dont know about others, but to me it is addictive the whole process of trial and error, process of elimination.

I am very curious about this next workout based entirely on creep.

This is great news igigi.

Soon enough I too will back on the growing side of things. haha.

You are having a winning formula getting BPEL gains with the plain simplified BPFSL elongation protocol.
I have gained with it as we know. Now seems that it was only matter of time for you it starting to work.
It took more time, and I tend to think it was the case of not enough stimuli until you entered into territory of septum no longer being the bottleneck.
You are now getting the whole unit stretched more or less.

Having the winning formula you need to explore the variables one at the time not getting too far with any of them.
I think you are really close the sweet spot and looking for better gain rate could be costly.

That’s so awesome IGiGi, congrats on your newly founded gains.

Finally back in business after healing blister.

Todays results:

Pre BPFSL 24.5cm
Post BPFSL 24.8cm
Strain: 1.2%

Todays workout was entirely on creep, no strain control. Results are the same as the last workout. There are couple of details to consider. As posted before, my BPEL is finally growing after my BPFSL. Which raises the question: Could I be now pulling the entire tunica instead of only the septum? Quite possible. During P1 my septum was so far behind toughened holding the complete structure, that the whole Period elongated only Septum. During Period 2, I quickly gained 0.5cm at the beginning and gains have stalled. It is quite possible that the septum has been elongated enough to leave the tunica far behind, to the point that I am pulling it along with the septum now and of course diminishing results.

Another detail to consider. I thought about this possibility before, but I haven’t confronted it directly until now: The possibility that I am bundling my dick too much. If that is the case, The tunica is taking most of the stress rather than the septum itself. The reason why I have been bundling my penis more than half a turn, is because of the issue I had at the beginning of this new setup in which the penis tends to roll and un-bundle over the leg. I have been thinking about a couple of solutions for this. The first one and more reliable, replace the thin rope by a thick tough exercise equipment cable. That one will not roll over like this little rope does. The other possible solution is to just do the half a turn of the penis and play with the positioning of the leg to allow the penis to rest properly without rolling. Perhaps by keeping the penis as straight as possible the septum takes more stress than the tunica.

One positive note, even though the blister has recently healed and the skin is very delicate, the full coating of gorilla tape worked flawlessly. I applied tape to the whole bottom of the glans wrapping around on the sides of the glans, and then a second layer over the most vulnerable area. It worked, and that means I can continue the protocol tomorrow and the days to come.

I will approach the bundling issue tomorrow.

Igigi

Are you using one of those vacuum cup attachments that come with a silicone sleeve?

Igigi I’m in same boat as you, I also have bad strain. In my first cycle I went from 22.5 to 23.8 post measured. I lost some because my first cycle was about 30 days and I had 6 month break. At the start of second cycle I was 23.3 and now 24.1. After 23.8 I have only had 3-4 mm elongation. In fact I have had few session were strain was 0%. I thought that it was because of I was stretching to the side so maybe there was too much friction from the leg. I then tried straight out stretching and put my hand to dorsal side. I got exact same results.

My firs cycle was creep based and this cycle is entirely stress relaxation. I have also tried creep based US heating and cooling down. Exactly same results. I am considering increasing weight as now I have only used 3 kg.

I also think that maybe now also my tunica is stretching. Because now when I have erection after session my girth is bigger than before the session. There is so much blood in my cock like it seems that I have some fluid build up. Of course my girth is back to normal at next day.

I also use gorilla tape (thanks for the advice!) and get zero fluid build up. Maybe that’s why my strain is also smaller than in first cycle.

Yes. I use a small cup that doesnt even cover the whole glans and a short sleeve to expose as much penis to heat as possible.

Interesting. The fluid buildup has very little influence on strain percentage though. We worried about that some time ago but it ended being irrelevant. Because besides the strain number, you have the daily measurement, weekly, monthly. And if you went from 22.5 to 23.8, that is not glans fluid buildup. That is real penis growth.

Theres certainly a few variables to play with. Weight/tension is definitely one of them as I went as far high as 7kg on my first Period and now I have never passed 4kg.

Maybe I wrote wrong because I am not native English speaker. I meant that in my first cycle my best strains were about 0.7 cm in length, I had lot of fluid build up and now matter how much I tried to squeeze it out there was always some. Now when I use gorilla tape to cover my whole glans I get zero fluid build up and my best strains have been only 0.4 cm. So maybe on my first cycle my best strains were only 0.5 cm if we count the fluid build up.

I try to increase my weight to 3.5 kg and see what happens. Of course there will be some kind of genetic max that I can’t get past of but I hope I haven’t reached it yet. By the way my BPEL is only 21.5 cm but my upward curve takes about 1.5 cm so measured with tailors tape I am 23 cm. My curve hasn’t straightened at all if any it has maybe grown a little.