Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning.

It’s easy and funny to make a reference to another thread here, but at least get the genetic splicing part correct. Generic splicing insinuates that your kind of splicing is really common and nothing special at all.

I think I’m going to take some time tomorrow to read this thread. Willy Wonka, I am not going to argue that there is definitely something wrong, because there is, and I have no doubt that it made your life worse. But at the same time there’s something odd going on that makes my sixth sense go all buzzy and tingly.

Its generic as in clandestine. I do it in my dungeon where there’s infinite latitude, so if anything it comes out even more horrifying than done in a legitimate lab.

Would you rather be right on a conscious level, or get better at the subconscious level?

Here’s another book recommendation: A Headache in the Pelvis by David Wise and Rodney Anderson.

The reason urologists can’t help you is because there’s nothing wrong urologically. There’s no particular valve or blood vessel they could fix surgically. There is no particular nerve that needs to be depressurized or re-attached or anything like that. There is literally nothing they can do for you. It’s not what they do. They save people from cancer and kidney stones and life threatening infections.

You understand that 20-30 mild jelqs did not damage your penis. But after 7 years you are still hanging on to the weird thought construct that it has somehow damaged or disrupted internal pelvic structures, nerves, and musculature? There is just no way, at least not in the physical sense. The body is so much more resilient than that.

It’s in your mind. It’s in your mind. It’s in your mind. Get it in your head that it’s in your mind. Not only your mind though, because after all this time, it is also in the nerves and neurons of your pelvis and penis. They have their own “memory” of sorts, which needs to be unwound or disarmed so to speak, in order to reset the system to the point where it is no longer interpreting NORMAL signals as pain or sexual disfunction. So in a way you are right. That jelqing DID mess with your pelvis. But in a neurological way that needs to fixed behaviorally, not medically.

I understand from experience as I said above, believe me, I understand how absolutely ludicrous the notion that something of this magnitude could be in your mind. But your pelvis believes it’s real. Your penis believes it’s real. Your mind knows it’s not real, but it has to believe the pelvis and the penis. It’s built to believe them and operate on the information that they’re sending. But what if they’re sending false info. What have you got to lose? You’re in the middle of your sexual prime right now but what if another 7 years go by, and another 7 years after that? Won’t you have wished that you tried EVERYTHING to get better?

Check out the books. I strongly recommend that you keep open to the possibility of penile massage / stretching / squeezing at some point in the future. You need to prove to yourself on the level of experiential reality that nothing bad actually happened on that day. Nothing permanent. The penis and the pelvis both heal (very quickly in my experience, a matter of hours or days) from any such pressures. It doesn’t matter if you understand it consciously. You need to SHOW your physical body through sensory learning that no injury happened, otherwise it will never believe your conscious mind.

You might also check out the Aneros prostate massager, if you’re not hung up on the idea of ass play, which would also send a bunch of benign signals to your pelvic nervous system.

Whether or not this is a troll thread, I can see it happening to a lot of people. They do some jelqs or PE for the first time. It causes a change in EQ or sensation that they weren’t expecting. The mind freaks out (on a pre conscious level) for whatever strange reason (the sex organ has a lot of strange reasons tied into it psychologically) and perpetuates the condition with anxiety and pain thought loops in order to “protect” us from experiencing whatever weird psychological shit was tied into it. Catholic guilt, sexual rejection, size anxiety, abuse, and so on. Just to name a few of the many possible things that could be connected to us pulling on our penises in an unfathomable way in the 100-billion stranded knot of neurons that is our human brain.

I remember you dismissing this line of thought earlier in the thread because there was a period of several weeks after the initial “injury” during which you weren’t even remotely worried about it, and had complete faith that it would get better on its own. Well, I went through the same line of thinking with my knee. It doesn’t matter if the mind wasn’t upset at the conscious level. We have neurons everywhere in our body. The neurons in your penis and pelvis were worried about it, so it didn’t matter what you were thinking on the conscious level.

The penis is an organ that is literally designed through hundreds of millions of years of evolution to have (over) pressurized blood flow into and out of it. So pressurizing some blood with our hands and forcing it through DOES NOT permanently injure it.

You understand at the conscious level that mild stretching and jelqing poses no real threat of damage to the penis or pelvis. But at a subconscious level your body fears these simple actions to the extent that you said “I will never ever stretch or pull my penis again.” Your conscious mind is saying one thing, but behaving in a completely different manner. It’s behaving exactly as the subconscious, including the continuing search for “proof” and “validation” by experts of the “problem”. Our subconscious minds are brilliant. But this is one case where you have to over-rule your subconscious. You need to make a long term and conscious effort to PROVE IT WRONG instead of back it up. You’re going to have to prove it wrong over and over again for months or years because you’ve let it run wild for years. When you can fix that disconnect between your conscious and subconscious, this problem will begin to unwind.

I’m no expert in your situation. You are. Maybe I’m talking out my ass. Or maybe this is all ringing true. Good luck to you in any case. Nobody should be shot out of the sky in their sexual prime.

I think you’re talking out of your ass with that prostate massage shit. The rest of that self-prejudices stuff could be true but this is a troll thread remember. I bet if you put a fine ass redbone ,yellowbone,colombia,blasian female in front of Willy hell recuperate one hundred percent

More veins to me is a good thing.

Poon, cut out the aggressive flaming or take a few days on hold. Your choice.

Oh I thought it was opinion based. So I cant really participate can I master? If I prefer the hetero-based method vs the homo methods?

“flaming” is just another “you cant judge”. The only reason people say you cant judge is because they know they dead wrong, and cant really argue so they just censor you. I know its nt whose calling for that,.and it hate to get banned just because him so ill try harder to keep happy
But just to clarify, if i don’t advocate for anal stimulation I can say correct ?

Poonmaster, you’re simply out of line. Take a deep breath before you post again. You haven’t been here long. We are much more tolerant and accepting of people’s choices even if we disagree. It’s a huge part of why this forum has lasted so long.

Hey man I’m extra tolerant of oppressed people. Take for example memento. I think he’s of the homo preference but he can still hold his own. If he was right beside me I wouldn’t destroy him, I’d accept him any which way he is. I don’t approve of him but absolutely accept him.

Talking out my ass regarding prostate massage was a good pun and I’m not at all offended. I tried it out to expand my orgasmic horizons (and did) and think it would be really good for anybody who had pelvic floor discomfort.

About the only thing this forum doesn’t tolerate is outright attacks on other members. So FG was probably talking about you calling Willy Wonka a troll and a liar while there’s a very real possibility that he’s a guy in his early 30’s who’s really bummed about his bum penis.

Cheers for that, Poon :)

It’s a language issue. You can get away with a “I think you’re talking out of your ass” every now and again but if you write too many posts like that it just sounds harsh. Especially without a smilie :) (I forget those too). I frequent ultra right wing the governments out to get us let’s build a bunker in the wilderness sites, republican blogs and I listen to shock jocks occasionally, so I’m used to the style, but it’s not one that goes over terribly well here. Also I’m not sure people get when you are being humorous (except maybe BD). You may need to telegraph it a bit more for the written medium.

I think I can explain that better.

You know when you’re talking to a girl and initially she’s interested and receptive but the more your eyes glint madly and the faster you talk the more she starts to back away with furtive glances to the nearest exits. That’s what it looks like.

:-k I did try to take your preferences into account with my comment: “Poon, cut out the aggressive flaming or take a few days on hold. Your choice.” You ain’t going to call that a ‘homo’ way of getting my point across.

I posted that for your benefit as I don’t want you getting kicked off this place any time soon. I like having you around. But - and it’s a big butt :) , you have to play by the Forum Guidelines the same as everyone else here.

If you haven’t read them, I suggest you do: Forum Guidelines

Included in them (and the first bit is right at the top, first line of the Forum Guidelines) :

This site has a strong, inclusive and diverse community spirit. All genders, gender identities and sexual orientations are welcome. We ask at all times that members be considerate, courteous and respectful of other members.

All members must abide by these Forum Guidelines. They do not take long to read and doing so may prevent your membership being short lived.

Aggressive behavior. Debate the idea, don't attack the poster.

mem is subtler and gentler than I am (even if he does forget to use smilies), and marinera was a lot less subtle or gentle than I am. Be yourself, but don’t push the guidelines, and you’ll have a long and happy time here. And I hope you do. :up:

Unfortunately, pelvic floor issues are generally quite difficult to pinpoint. Many individuals with pudendal neuralgia, for instance, have difficulty getting a proper diagnoses and any surgery to fix the issue is largely experimental, would have an only moderate success rate at best and would be risky. People with chronic pelvic pain will often visit many gynecologists, urologists, imaging specialists, gastoenterologists, neurologists and pain specialists before finding the correct diagnoses.

In another condition affecting the pelvic region- chronic (non-bacterial) prostatitis- the root cause typically remains unknown and no definitive diagnose is reached. Possible causes can include: past bacterial infection in the prostate, bacteria that are nontypical (resistant to antibiotics), irritation caused by backup of urine into the prostate gland, chemical irritation, problem with the nerves in the lower urinary tract, parasites, problems with the pelvic muscles, sexual abuse, and viruses.

Different conditions of the pelvic region remain hard to diagnose and only have either few or zero reliable treatment options. Currently, definitive diagnoses are very challenging to reach for many of the potential problems that can affect this area of the body.

I second this. The lower abdomen has several easy to find but serious possible diseases, and a whole slew of diseases/conditions/inflammations that either take years to discover or that resolve on their own with a little lifestyle changes. Chemical prostate irritation? Better start drinking more. Bacterial? Avoid stress and drink more (stress is underrated when it comes to chronic infections). Any type of nerve irritation or neuralgia? Go to a physiotherapist, start working out and get off the couch. But doctors can’t do that for you, it’s your own responsibility.

I don’t agree that we don’t have reliable treatment options. But you can’t treat the unknown.