Getting massive gains from/and climaxing without ejaculation

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Originally Posted by KingCock10x7
Hi. I just joined Thunders a few days ago. Congratulations on your tremendous PE successes! I read your post from “What’s it feel like to gain” from 4-23-2013 in which you said you climax without ejaculating. I was wondering if you could tell me how this is done. Thanks.

REPLY by chubypeckerwood :
Reed Mantak Chia’s ” Taoist Secrets of Love cultivating male sexual energy.” It took me a year to master, but it was very much worth it. I believe mastering this technique enabled me to develop to my current 9 by 7 1/2 inch erections. I started at 6 by 4 1/2, 25 years ago.

Originally Posted by KingCock10x7
Phenomenal! Congrats on the monster size and inexhaustible dedication! Was that 25 years straight of dedication each and every week or was it that there were months and years of continual PE followed by months or years of rest on an alternating pattern? Thanks also for the book recommendation! I’ll look up the book! I also wonder, how does climaxing without orgasming help increase size? Is it because an erection is being maintained? I’m sorry for not understanding.

REPLY by chubypeckerwood :
I think once you’ve read the book I’ve recommended you will have a better understanding. The premise basically is this: retaining ones sperm/seed is equivalent to retaining ones most essential vital energy, energy that can be better spent than simply spewing it hither and yon. After twenty five years of practice I am fairly convinced this is true. I seem to have enjoyed better health than my siblings over this time, and also I seem to a appear younger than perhaps I would otherwise have looked. And it is truly wonderful not to have to rely on a condom for birth control.
As far as my dedication goes, it has been nearly constant, even though I have taken some extended breaks from the intense style of p.e. I now do In order to test some theories. One thing I’ve never stopped doing is pumping my kegel muscles, which I do nearly all my waking day without really even thinking about it. Over time I have gained enough control to pump the right or left side of whatever that soft tissue muscle in one’s cock is called. The more erect I get, the more control over which side I expand becomes.
I should mention that it was not until these last ten years that I really started to experience big gains. I believe they were do to a combination of things. The durability, or toughness I built up over previous years of mostly jelq type stretching, then the super intense way in which I started clamping.. I don’t think most people would even believe it - involving bicycle tubing, carpenters clamps and a large bench vice -the tremendous amount of creative visualization probably also helped, the inordinate amount of time I dedicated to it, and then perhaps most importantly was the addition of a pressure bandage that I wear during and after a heavy clamping routine. The bandage is basically a neoprene condom, that covers the length of the shaft as far down the base as possible, but not over the gland. There are many benefits to this. It helps maintain an erection during a clamping session and after. It is also known as a scientific fact that increased pressure aids in the healing process. With a proper fitting bandage I can maintain an erection the entire time I wear it.. For up to twenty four hours. I am reasonably sure that this one innovation to my routine explains most of my gains. It prevents turtling while maintaining a therapeutic pressure. It can of course be difficult to disguise. If you want to make your own custom cock pressure sock it isn’t too difficult. Use a thin, like 2 1/2 mill neoprene, cut it out so when sewed into a tube it will perfectly fit the contour of your dick, right up to your gland but not covering it. It should be a little tighter there at the top in order to help keep it extended. There is a fine line as to how large it should be. Try just a little smaller than your full erection. Also make a few so you can layer up and increase pressure. You will also find that a few shorter ones that you can inch down the base of your shaft will help, and try to sew a contour into those as well so that they will reach around and down covering as much of your base as possible. This somehow encourages more dork to become engorged, allowing you to get your clamp further down. This strategy of of continually clamping further down the base shaft has also been highly effective. It sounds silly to say but presently my base will get as big as a baby’s head.. Like ten inches. I can’t say how this will work on you because I didn’t start doing this until my dick was already as tough as a two dollar steak.
Yep, this is what you are getting yourself into. You should ask yourself if you really want a cock you could demolish an old barn with. I did. I have to say I’m super happy with the dam thing, even though most the chicks I get with anymore find it much too big to enjoy. A few months back I hooked up with a petite young Korean woman who was impossible to penetrate, even with several attempts and tons of fore play. Still, I enjoyed just fucking between her closed thighs. My present girlfriend is the first woman I’ve met in many years who actually likes it. She is quite a large, not fat, woman however, and I took it very slow with her, which in itself is great fun, and now she says she is a giant cock convert, and could never go back.. No doubt just talk, but still, sadly, I love to hear it.
I think it probably requires a somewhat ridiculous amount of dedication to achieve what I have, which undoubtably will interfere with other parts of your life, but perhaps not so much if one can apply precise technique without making your dick explode. Hopefully what I’ve shared with you will help. Good luck. And feel free to post this letter to a forum if you want to further discuss the points I have raised here, and get other people’s input.

Note: Posted at the suggestion of and with permission of the authors.

Can a mod move this post to the Penis Enlargement forum?

Chubypeckerwood,

I basically stopped voluntary ejaculation as a means of improving the speed of success of PE. I read that guys who dont ejaculate get better gains.
That’s some amazing control when you can decide which side to kegel! I’m surprised by the sheer amount of kegeling. You’re pretty dedicated! I suppose so much kegeling does not exhaust the muscles?
Testing theories? Like PE research and development of new PE methods?
So I guess the jelq-type stretching is better for gains and durability than the traditional manual stretching? Should I eliminate traditional manual stretching and replace it with jelq-type stretching?
How did the visualization help? What were you visualizing?
Thank you for the guide on the neoprene condom. I have read it repeatly. Where did you get the neoprene from?
So your base got super huge from clamping with a neoprene condom preventing expansion?? How does this work? It seems counterintuitive. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Bigger is better! :-) Wow! Too big for women to enjoy and too big to even enter one of them! That must be the biggest ego boost! They must have been totally in awe of you! So you finally met your match, a woman who can accomodate you! Two champions of size lol! It must be wonderful with her reminding you about the size! I agree, there’s nothing sad about being reminded of that, LOL!
I’m very into PE and to keeping up with it. Bigger is better! :-)

Incredible gains, and awesome technique with the custom fitted neoprene bandage. I hope you don’t mind some questions. I’ve often quested after the perfect wrap to get long-term engorgement, with only rare successes when I somehow get the wrap at just the right pressure. Making customs of multiple sizes is brilliant.

How to sew neoprene. Did you do it manually or use a sewing machine?

It sounds like you go for the same tightness (pressure on cock) all the way along the shaft. My experience when I do get the long-term engorgement effect is that the base must be slightly tighter to get a mild "clamp effect". Or do you use the shorter sections to slide down to the base over the full "sleeve" if you need more base constriction?

If you wear the full sleeve, and do a clamp set at the base, do I understand right that the clamping set just carries over into sustained engorgement/expansion without removing the sleeve?

Regarding the Mantak Chia. I have tried for years to learn the techniques from that book with limited success (even limited success has been quite rewarding). It seems like many try it, but few succeed. There’s is a thread about it here, maybe you could add any insights you have from successfully practicing it:
Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Thanks for sharing the technique,
BD

KingCock, I agree with getting some PE benefits from withholding ejaculation. Some of the theories as to why are first the vital energy idea. Not ejaculating for about a week or more, the body uses less resources making sperm, and those resources go to other functions, including faster repair, healing, and growth in PE. Another reason is that you obviously get incredible libido, EQ, and ease of erection after withholding for a while. So, more expansion, and faster healing. I can attest to both of those effects first hand. And anybody who hasn’t ejaculated for over a week or more has surely noticed increased energy and libido. Third, and I don’t know that I’ve truly experienced this yet, but perhaps small tastes of it - the sexual energy itself can be transmuted into normal chi energy, further contributing to the health and function of organs, tissues, and recovery.

Have you checked out the SKF thread linked in the last post?

I found out chuby has already answered some of my questions here, for anyone interested. He does use multiple sleeves to get the desired pressure around the base.

chubypeckerwood - Chubypeckerwood’s Picture

I hope Chuby answers some more publicly.

He wanted to post a pic of how he uses his “cock sock” up to the very base of the CS while clamping. Intrigued at that.
Also his storys of how woman handle it are very interesting ,as we are all interested what goes on when you go to the extreme end of size. ( the positive and the negative)

This made me look at my Velcro closure neoprene handgrips for my chin-up bar in a whole new light. I may have to experiment a bit.

Hi BD!

Those are some excellent points you made. I’ll look in furhter depth at the SKF thread. I need to learn m re about chi energy etc since I’m not familiar with it. Thanks for the link!

I didn’t understand how to do the expansion on the penis. Someone please can explain it how to get big girth ? Its sound like clamping so what is the different from clamping? (Sorry for my English )

I realize a picture is worth a thousand words, and in regard to my clamping routine and pressure socks, pictures will be forth coming. But presently I’m traveling, and taking a break from my routine, so it won’t be for another ten days before I can upload some pictures. In the meantime I will try to answer some of the questions posed here.

I hand sew all of my neoprene socks. I use a heavy polyester thread, and use a running stitch, so that it stretches along with the neoprene. I find neoprene at thrift stores, as many people give their old wet suits away.

As far as any advice I could add to what Mantak Chia has already said about restricting one sperm from ejaculating during orgasm I can’t say it any better than Bearded Dragon. It is, I think, mostly about developing very strong kegel muscles, and perhaps something to do with the ability to pull ones nuts up in tight. I’ve noticed my balls are always pulled in tight while I’m erect, and mostly too when I’m not. I think this is unusual for a dude as old as me. But the thing you should know is that it really works for birth control. I’ve had thousands of orgasms inside various women, with no undesired consequence. This practice should be taught in school.

Dicker seems to understand the mechanics of the pressure sock. It has to be such that it allows for more than 100%. This took me ages to work out. Just being able to fit a series of socks that fit comfortably over my entire organ was pains taking. I did not realize how much I had. A lot of dick is sort of hidden from us, and needs to be coaxed out. It’s probably a bit more difficult for those of us that have had the misfortune of being circumcised. It may require a lot of simple stretching before one is able to access it with the sock, at which point one can then get a clamp around it, and begin to work on girth. I didn’t start to even think about a form fitting pressure sock until I had already been stretching for many years. When I started to design my sock I was 7 1/2 long, 5 1/2 circumference. That was 15 years worth of PE already under my belt. I started at 6 by 4 1/2.

I should put another warning in here for any beginners reading this. You can’t just start off clamping and squeezing your dick very hard at all, you’ll fuck it up big time.

But if you do hurt your self, putting it under a bit of even pressure will help in healing, as long as you are in no way restricting blood flow.

As for my experiences with woman, many of which have been with prostitutes, they have been varied. Some woman were initially horrified upon first sight. One was entirely incredulous, thinking I had slipped on a life-like dildo. She had to perform a close up inspection before she believed it actually belonged on my body. You might think this experience was an ego booster, but strangely it was not. I love to hear, “wow!” Or “Oh my god!” But when some whore starts hunting around for the zipper or whatever,.well. One whore, however, let me off for free, and had me back a few more times on the house. Most wanted to charge me double. As for the woman who have given their bodies to me freely, well,.. Of course, I always enjoy it. I have to go slow, lots of fore play, bla bla, get’ m super wet. Even then some chicks just don’t get off on it, I still don’t care. I’m pretty sure most of these woman could come around to enjoying it, if I had the patience and whatnot, but alas.. And I think I now know how to use it better. If I start off the first couple times only inserting my gland, like I did with my present girlfriend, it is a win. She was dubious in the beginning, but curious. I had told her I was large, and when she saw it she said I was the biggest she had ever seen, times two. As pathetic as it may sound, I will never get tired of hearing that my lover is impressed with my size. The foreplay with her lasted for days, and I think it may have been the best plan I ever came up with. First, she knew what to expect, so it was no surprise, and she wasn’t scared; I had already told her that we could take plenty of time, weeks if necessary to achieve penetration. This got her very aroused, and even doubtful that I was telling her the truth.. So I showed her a picture. Later, she told me that it was the openness we shared with our sexuality that she really enjoyed, not the fact that I am big but rather that I was open with it. I’ve been with her now for two months, and she now informs me that she absolutely loves the way I can full-fill her, and is entirely converted. Maybe just talk, but she sure looks like she is in heaven when I’m bottoming out inside her and she can still get a hand half way around my base shaft.

I’ve spent so much time and energy at this, it should probably be illegal. But now that I’ve achieved what I started out to do, I can safely tell all of you that it was well worth it.

Great story and nothing wrong with reaping the benefits of what you worked on for so long.
Others might restaurate an oldtimer car or boat for many years and we build a cock.

Now this got me thinking about what size to aim for.
I always aimed for a dick that is huge, reaching all spots from every angle, but at a size that I can use with almost any woman I could come across without having to wait days to prepare her. Im an orgasm and pussy “connoisseur” and intruiged by how to reach it for the subject at hand :D .
Now your talk about how you did foreplay for days building up is very interesting and might make me consider my girth goals.

Interesting how you mention your girl loves to handle your base while you go deep.
At your girth what length would theoreticly enable you to put it all in? (Im sure you are aware of the cul de sac/posterior fornix below/behind the cervix..). I guess there is at least an inch in the open?

As you could probably surmise, Dicker, the amount of dork left out in the cold depends on her position, and my degree a erection, but generally there is plenty for her to slap a palm over, and cinch up with thumb and fingers. I like it so much when she gets a good grip on that bulging knob, it’s indescribable.

You’re right about the underside. It’s longer and bigger at the base, the sock has to reflect this. That’s how it works on me. So I designed my sock, in a few sections. I think I explained already. The light pressure all along the entire organ should feel a bit better than just comfortable, and may for you, like it did for me, encourage more of your base to become engorged, adding length and girth. Like I’ve said, it’s helped me a ton with my clamping routine.

I should mention one other thing that could possibly help explain, to some extent, my good gains, in particularly over these last five years. About 5 years back, I started making colloidal copper, and applying it to my skin, and even ingesting small amounts of it. I read in some Harvard medical studies that copper is the most prevalent mineral in the human body, and plays a particularly important role in the development of connective tissues. They also stated that most folks are deficient in copper. Anyway, when it comes to growing dick, I don’t want to leave any stones unturned. You can Google this stuff, and learn all about it, even how you can make your own for dirt cheap. I mix the powder with coconut oil to keep it from oxidizing. It’s great stuff. I use it directly on my cock, as any of you would probably have guessed, for max absorption. This may explain why my gains have been best over these recent years of PE. Also I got more serious about my diet around the same time, being sure to get enough minerals in their proper form.. Their mono atomic form. Meaning supplements just don’t cut it. One pretty much has to get them from eating whole foods, grown in rich, healthy soil. These days, your safest bet is to eat coconuts, and drink coconut water.

Anyone reading the last post please know that there are no actual scientific studies backing up copper supplementation for health effects. In fact, you can poison yourself with too much copper. This study shows that even the recommended daily amount to consume is too high.

http://m.ajcn.n utrition.org/co … /49/5/870.short

Basically, if you consume too much copper it won’t be adsorbed, and an acidic environment is required to absorb copper in the stomach so I doubt it is absorbed through the skin. Just be careful with it.

Right. Search for Copperiedus guys. Thanks mizguy.