Read This First: Warning To Newbies

ricesock, a lot of this is anecdotal right now, but as I recall, a lot of it seems to be reported from those who are fairly new to PE. I don’t recall hearing such reports from those who have been doing PE for years.

This isn’t about discoloration or EQ or even pain. This is a defect in the Venous valve that is unable to withstand elevated pressure and fails without warning. I suspect it probably doesn’t even hurt in most cases.

The individual who posted on the link I provided said that he had been doing PE “for several months” before the problem occured.

Another thought that comes to mind, sparkyx, is the ‘canary in the coal mine’ attribute of the penis.

There is a high correlation between impotence and cardiovascular disease. Do an internet search on "correlation impotence cardiovascular disease" for more on this, and you will come up with articles like this:

Mayo Clinic - Erectile dysfunction can be a wake-up call that you’re at risk of heart disease. The same factors that contribute to heart disease can cause erectile dysfunction

See also JAMA abstract - Erectile Dysfunction and Subsequent Cardiovascular Disease for a more statistical analysis.

It’s possible that there is some generic or developmental reason for less resilient or more easily damaged venous valves in the penis, but if this happened to me, I would be concerned that this might possibly be more systemic than localized.

Without knowing the details of his routine, I would generally consider that to be fairly new to PE.

This is probably also another good argument for a slow escalation of force and repetitions in any routine. I’ve always been in the ‘coax it out’ rather than ‘force it out’ school of PE, but this points toward a potential safety aspect in that approach as well.

Again, an assumption that when this sort of problem develops, it develops gradually rather than all at once and suddenly. It would take a more thorough review of the cases in question to establish with more certainty whether this was the case, but generally, ‘slow and steady’ seems like an intrinsically less risky approach.

Totally agree. and this is why I don’t clamp, but I do do the bends - carefully. I always let pain be the signal to stop. I have found in the past that if I ever get pain, stopping all PE causes the pain to go either immediately or in 2 days. I am one of those people who need very moderate force. The exercises I do would have little affect on some people, but I am super sensitive.

Actually, one of my objections to clamping is that, if you get a pain, then depending on how you are clamping, it might take a few seconds to release the clamp. Those few seconds could make the difference between pain for an hour, and pain for a week. The pain maybe a signal that something is about to tear or maybe form something literally tearing slightly, microscopically perhaps. The advanced routines have to be respected.

I think quite a few of us have had the experience of turning as “white as a sheet” thinking we may have done something permanent.

Cardiovascular disease and impotence is indeed a "canary in the coal mine". If you are getting "clogged" arteries, the smaller vessels in the penis will close off first before the heart vessels. This is why impotence will show first. HOWEVER, this is a totally different mechanism of impotence.

What we are addressing here is a defect or weakness in the venous valves of the penis that fail when pressure hits a certain level. The level will be dependent on the extent of the deformation or weakness.

Listen, I’m sure that most of us could blow out that vessel if we push the pressure high enough. Apparently though, a healthy vessel can withstand some serious abuse, the PE community is proof of that.

This however, is anomalous valve that obviously cannot handle even moderately elevated pressures. As I have said before, I’m SURE that many of these cases show up in Doctors offices from just regular sex and had a spontaneous valve failure.

Like I said, watch the headlines and see how many High School athletes just fall over dead during a game without any warning. This is similar, except its only sex-life threatening, not life threatening.

I suspect in most cases it will “blow out” without warning. Its structural failure under load.

Of course, there is the possibility that slow steady increase MAY give the structure a chance to adapt to some degree. But really, we don’t know.

In general, I think its ALWAYS wise to slowly work up in any PE, give your body time to adapt.

I understand, and the question I’m raising is whether this problem occurring is indeed from an isolated anomolous valve, or whether there is a potential that it could be a systemic problem. It’s more of a hypothetical question than anything.

I am very glad that Sparkyx has posted this warning. It is the responsible thing to do under the circumstances.

However, I think it’s also important to realize that we really have no idea whether PE was the “cause” of the ED that certain people have reported. We now have a large number of members, and some of us are likely to develop ED out of random bad luck, just like some of us are likely to be involved in car accidents.

I think we would have to see more than one or two cases, and understand when in people’s PE careers the problems first developed, to get a better handle on causation.

That is bad.

BPEL 5.5in girth 5.25in why?

Absolutely. I also mentioned to Thunder that we will probably get a ton more psychogenic ED cases, where guys freak out IMAGINING there is something wrong, and that produces impotence from sheer panic…and nothing is really wrong.

However, its our responsibility not to present the best case scenario here, but present any potential risk as we know it. Really, present the WORST case scenario and let people make up their own minds. As a health care practitioner for over 20 years, I have found it best to overstate the downside rather than understate it…for a number of reasons.

This type of episode is very, very rare and in most cases the penis is a very robust member and can tolerate very high levels of stress and rigor without losing a pubic hair. In my case I have put my penis through a wringer and it motors nicely like a Swiss watch, even better than ever before, so PE much like other resistance exercises does a body good.

Through a wringer? Really?