Girth theory: glans and corpus cavernosum.

In theory the Length exercises then still have to be “more”(time and intensity) then the girth portion or you will gain girth..

Or is the succesion the deciding factor(It is a factor but not the deciding one I feel..)?

That’s the closest I can come to in explaining the feeling before making it even longer. What I mean is at a certain point there is this weird “numbing effect” where you aren’t actually numb but hypersensitive. There is a unique feeling of pliability that accompanies this “numbness.”

Out if everything that is the only thing you mention or have an opinion on?

I honestly do not favor that theory or method all that much. The main thing is To prep the penis for the aim goal…We do this initially with some kind of warm up using heat (preferably). I consider the prolonged priapismic ballooning session an advanced warm up. One that incorporates the crucial development of erection quality (via kegels and jelqs).

But since these types of sessions do put much more stress on the penis and fatigue it much faster I only recommended it’s employment once or twice a week…eventually working up to 3 times max.

Since the penis will already be fatigued…and more pliable the stretching or hanging sessions afterwards will just carry on through that fatigue. Thus enhancing the stretching sessions. Isn’t the popular stable “to ride the fatigue?”

I’m very familiar with that feeling. It usually isn’t entirely from lack of oxygen (which also causes numbness), but from the nerves being ‘stretched’ for too long, and you really don’t want nerve damage. Stopping a bit before that point and resuming after a couple of minutes won’t affect gains but is a lot safer.

The rest of it is working for you, and most of us who have done PE for years will have followed a similar routine at times, so if it’s working for you keep doing it, just try to do it as safely as possible. :up:

I would also add to your personal addition that it is THAT point where things can be dangerous. Dangerous because injury can come easier and it us so easy to assume that because it feels good that injury is no where near close and so overdoing, overstressing can occur = injury.

I’d also like to throw in that I personally like using erect bends and it is not essential to the routine. I personally find that I obtain this “numbing” more pliable effect much more effectively using erect bends. And it kind of counters the slight curving pressure I get from my hanging tool.

* I am not advocating this as a sure thing, gain all quick fix short cut. It is still in the experimental stages…but I have noticed positive results since I’ve been able to get back on my full program routine.

My interpretation was that the cross-linkages take weeks and months to fully form, but can be broken or weakened in a matter of days or weeks of targeted work. So the benefit of doing girth work to break up cross-links in the longitudinal layer would be long lasting, and not necessarily required in the same workout session as the length work.

:thumbs: The distraction hystogenesis hypothesis of gains potentiation posits that post gains in the axial (length) vector causes fibrosis growth along the axial vector in response to strain and that along that vector an increase in the yield stress required for further strain occurrs. However, fibroid growth along that axial vector also causes a relative decrease in yield stress required for strain in the orthogonal, i.e. radial (read: girth) vector of those fibroids. Further postulation would suggest that one can capitalize on the weak orthogonal to vector applied stress of fibrotic fibers for achieving higher than pre-stress application strain for successive cycles of BOTH radial-axial-radial-axial gains campaigns…used to be called the “See-saw” strategy. As indicated elsewhere, I think that once splays of fibrotic growth in the axial vector have occurred, it is MUCH harder to overcome the yield stress of these…because the total yield stress required for strain becomes additive (read: big) along that axis…while in the radial vector, stress can be applied to discreet radii (remember the “cock-coffin”?…and the “Tiger Trap”?), thereby allowing for “targeting” of the weak orthogonal sides of the axially formed fibroids for easy strain generation along the multiple radial vectors that are orthogonal to the axial vector…translation: it becomes very difficult to gain length; and hypothetically, girth gains, because stress can be discreetly applied and therefore do not have that same limiting factor, should be comparatively easy for the axially strained penis to realize.

Damn, that was an excellent glass of scotch (Lagavulin with a toss of room temp H2O).

xeno

That was awesome. Wish I could think that precisely, but I’ll settle for understanding it. The keys to PE are buried beneath a few science vocab words.

You got me trying to think up practical ways for targeting individual axial sectors. First thing that comes to mind is fulcrum hanging while varying the body orientation and thus the penis orientation as it lays over the fulcrum. It would require some creative fulcrums, and a vac-hanger due to the necessity of dangerous attachment orientations with a Bib. Maybe hardcore stretching about a fulcrum with varying orientations.

Other thought is a single smooth hump version of the tiger trap that would stretch one axial sector along the entire erect length, also varying the orientation.

Finally, curved tube for pumping. Same radius through the entire tube, but curved the whole way so that one axial sector gets more stretch than its opposite side. A sector of a torus. That would be a very expensive custom build. $500 tube probably or more.

Which would require to for sure to go beyond the elastic limit to break the cross links.

Do we have any indicators if we weakened or broken the cross linkages?
For longitudal it comes to mind stretching past BPFSL.

Yeah, would require sufficient force. Can’t think of any indicators that it worked, other than getting relatively easier gains in the other dimension of the see-saw. After all it is theory.

I also thought some more about the curved pump tube. Apparently bending acrylic tubing or PVC under heat is a fairly simple DIY task. I wouldn’t want to try it on the tubes I currently use, but maybe some day I’ll buy 10 ft. of acrylic tube and experiment with it.

As far as I know, fibrosis in connective tissue is a pathologic state, not a healthy one. Cellular proliferation, so elongation, doesn’t need to cause any fibrosis to happen. Growth happens at way lower levels than the levels required to cause fibrosis.

I threw that in here because it may or may not relate to length gains if combined. But surely if tweaked a bit can prove to be a good girth routine…along side any others one may wish to incorporate into it, before it or after it.

Actually, I was not referring to your post specifically, DomnariRailings. :)

I think DomnariRailings is just fishing for the right words.
But we all suck in contrast to XENO ‘s choice of words. :D
Numbing is wrong as is fibrosis.

I think I know what you mean. Its more like a tingling and it occurs in that squishy state. IMO its a very positive PI. Maybe the nerves like Firegoat says but not in a bad way I feel. It feels electric,
When I get it it makes me totally horny and Im inclined to slap my dick into my hands lol. There is no pain at all. It mainly occurs with girth work I think.
Maybe another thread for this phenomenon…

Im got the thought that actually for that purpose low intensity and long time might be usefull.

Cant find the thread where this was mentioned in detail right now.
Soemthing along: The chemical properties of the elastin component after long duration constant stretch change.

It might then be primed to do a focused exercise without having to deal with the “elastic rebound”/elasticity.