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Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

Originally Posted by firegoat
Vein and tunica have nothing to do with each other. A vein carries blood. The dorsal vein and dorsal thinckening of the septum are separate structures, although they are very close together.
If you look at the picture here, you will see, just below the dorsal vein(s) a thick part at the top (dorsum) of the septum. That’s the dorsal thickening. In some guys it’s a lot thicker than in others and can easily be felt.

Thank you, firegoat. I guess I’m limited by the tunica then. It’s too bad It won’t stretch no matter what :/


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Wish I'd found this thread sooner

This has been a massively helpful thread in that it really seems that those who have a thicker (or tighter/shorter) septum have to take a totally different approach to those whose limiting factor is the ligs or smooth muscle. I almost felt like ‘newbie theory’ and similar posts must be pure fiction. When the septum is the limiting factor, the moderate approach just does not work. I imagine a lot of thick cord-owners have given up on PE when basic routines have failed to provide them any results.

Now, I have a couple of questions.

The approach I’m taking is a warm-up followed by fulcrum hanging (3x20 mins) with constant heat (rice sock). Then, I put on my all-day-hanging weight (5 ring magnets totalling 1.3kg or 2.89lbs) and head off to work.
I believe that more time under tension is needed to tackle a tough septum, but also that there must be a point of diminishing returns. I’m wondering, if I had to spread the 3 sets out to 4 hour intervals throughout the day (wearing the ADH in between) would this be likely to give better results? Has anyone experimented with intermittent vs long sessions to see which gives better results? Would 3 hour-long sets (9 sets total) spread throughout the day give quicker results or just be overkill?

My second question is for anyone who has overcome a stubborn septum. Do you reach a point where the septum weakens to the point that it is no longer the limiting factor, or will it always be the limiting factor?

Originally Posted by Epieugenic
This has been a massively helpful thread in that it really seems that those who have a thicker (or tighter/shorter) septum have to take a totally different approach to those whose limiting factor is the ligs or smooth muscle. I almost felt like ‘newbie theory’ and similar posts must be pure fiction. When the septum is the limiting factor, the moderate approach just does not work. I imagine a lot of thick cord-owners have given up on PE when basic routines have failed to provide them any results.

Now, I have a couple of questions.

The approach I’m taking is a warm-up followed by fulcrum hanging (3x20 mins) with constant heat (rice sock). Then, I put on my all-day-hanging weight (5 ring magnets totalling 1.3kg or 2.89lbs) and head off to work.
I believe that more time under tension is needed to tackle a tough septum, but also that there must be a point of diminishing returns. I’m wondering, if I had to spread the 3 sets out to 4 hour intervals throughout the day (wearing the ADH in between) would this be likely to give better results? Has anyone experimented with intermittent vs long sessions to see which gives better results? Would 3 hour-long sets (9 sets total) spread throughout the day give quicker results or just be overkill?

My second question is for anyone who has overcome a stubborn septum. Do you reach a point where the septum weakens to the point that it is no longer the limiting factor, or will it always be the limiting factor?

Hi there. I managed to feel some tunica fatigue after doing short super high intensity stretching. 20 and upward of 40 pounds in the opposite direction of my curve for about 2 weeks and finally I felt some fatigue. I had to make my own specialized hanger to get it to work.
There are serious risk factors to consider though.


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Interesting. I’ve never quite understood what people meant when they talked about fatigue. Then the other day I upped the weight to 10kgs (22 lbs) for a fulcrum hang, and on the 2nd day of hanging with this weight I finally felt a stress that made me lower the weight. I was unable to hang the last couple of days, so I missed out on riding that fatigue, but feels like I’m headed in the right direction now.

Originally Posted by Epieugenic
Interesting. I’ve never quite understood what people meant when they talked about fatigue. Then the other day I upped the weight to 10kgs (22 lbs) for a fulcrum hang, and on the 2nd day of hanging with this weight I finally felt a stress that made me lower the weight. I was unable to hang the last couple of days, so I missed out on riding that fatigue, but feels like I’m headed in the right direction now.

My perception of fatigue is some kind soreness. Not any sharp pain but a smooth tenderlike “glow”.
I know that I’m personally bottlenecked by my tunica so when I feel my tunica getting sore similar to a good muscle workout, I know that I have reached the right fatigue.
Imagine gently pinching your arm versus stabbing it with a pencil.


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Originally Posted by Jelq-O-Matic
My perception of fatigue is some kind soreness. Not any sharp pain but a smooth tenderlike “glow”.
I know that I’m personally bottlenecked by my tunica so when I feel my tunica getting sore similar to a good muscle workout, I know that I have reached the right fatigue.
Imagine gently pinching your arm versus stabbing it with a pencil.

This is what I’m going for, but it’s difficult to get there, because it takes quite a lot of weight to have even the slightest effect on my steel cord. At the required weights, if I get my wrap just slightly wrong, I get pinching on the skin.
Have you experimented with different thicknesses of fulcrum to see what brings on fatigue quicker? (Thin, thick, varied). I’m currently using a 2” diameter fulcrum which I figured was hedging my bets as a medium width.

Bruising

I’ve raised my weight to 12kg to get a decent stretch, but I’m getting quite a lot of bruising on my glans and shaft. The advice on this forum seems to be rest, but at this rate, I’ll be resting 2-3 weeks for every one day of hanging. I’m trying arnica cream to help with this. Anyone else had success preventing or repairing bruising?

Aha

Just been reading up on anatomy of the penis (as you do).

Interested to see that the Septum connects to the pubic symphiysis (in the centre) while the fundiform and supersensory ligaments both attach to the ischiopubic rami (aka ischium) which is off to the side. I’ve attached a diagram of the pelvis.
(This explains why I feel something slightly different with a sideways stretch)

It’s been pointed out that everyone has a septum (the join between the CCs) but that some are thicker. I think the thickness is actually secondary to tightness. If ligs are tighter than the septum You don’t notice it until you’ve stretched to the point that the septum comes into play. At that point you have to start dealing with tougher tissues, and if you have a thinner septum, you’ll have an easier time, but still not as easy as stretching the supersensory and fundiform ligs.

Of course this doesn’t really change the approach - it’s still heat, fulcrums and a lot of force, but it’s nice to know what’s going on in there.

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Good post Epi. :up:


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Thanks Firegoat. I’ve found your posts really helpful in determining my approach to tackling the septum.

Originally Posted by Epieugenic
Interesting. I’ve never quite understood what people meant when they talked about fatigue. Then the other day I upped the weight to 10kgs (22 lbs) for a fulcrum hang, and on the 2nd day of hanging with this weight I finally felt a stress that made me lower the weight. I was unable to hang the last couple of days, so I missed out on riding that fatigue, but feels like I’m headed in the right direction now.

Wow, just wow. I got scared from how hard 600g hit me doing a fulcrum. I guess I don’t have dorsal thick. However been looking everywhere for best way to straighten a upcurve. 0,6kg felt like ripping in the penis.

Originally Posted by HenrikL
Wow, just wow. I got scared from how hard 600g hit me doing a fulcrum. I guess I don’t have dorsal thick. However been looking everywhere for best way to straighten a upcurve. 0,6kg felt like ripping in the penis.

This is good news, Henrik. I guess you’re here because septum is your limiting factor I.e. It’s tighter than the ligs. If you can get fatigue from a light weight you shouldn’t have too hard a time overcoming it.

Originally Posted by Epieugenic
This is good news, Henrik. I guess you’re here because septum is your limiting factor I.e. It’s tighter than the ligs. If you can get fatigue from a light weight you shouldn’t have too hard a time overcoming it.

Been a while since I posted on this thread. Have you managed to break your bottleneck?


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Some progress. About 1cm BPFSL increase, though this has all come in the last month.

Been doing heavy fulcrums with infrared and it seems to be doing the trick, but still getting pain on the skin which is holding me back from going as heavy and for as long as I’d like. (Who would have thought skin would be a limiting factor?). Also doing bursts of extra pressure for 30 seconds to a minute.

Originally Posted by Epieugenic
Some progress. About 1cm BPFSL increase, though this has all come in the last month.

Been doing heavy fulcrums with infrared and it seems to be doing the trick, but still getting pain on the skin which is holding me back from going as heavy and for as long as I’d like. (Who would have thought skin would be a limiting factor?). Also doing bursts of extra pressure for 30 seconds to a minute.

1cm BPFSL in one month is incredible!
How long is your routine? Thanks!


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