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Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

The rate of gains seem great if you don’t look at the months of no gains that preceded it. We’ll see how the next month goes!

My main session is at night. I don’t do exactly the same thing every time, but I try to hit a range of angles, fulcrum hanging with the infrared lamp on. Then repeat all those angles without the lamp so the tissues can cool while extended. Then I pop on the extender, just so the tissues don’t retract.

In the mornings (provided I get a decent night’s sleep), I do a short session. 15-20 minutes with the lamp on. 15-20 minutes without. Then I attach the my ADH weight (1.2kg) to keep a light stretch on (I find this better than the extender). I’ll wear this for at least 4 hours at work (working at a standing desk) and if I have no discomfort I’ll carry on for another 4 after lunch. Most days I barely notice it, but it does keep a good stretch.

One of the main changes I’ve made is in terms of force. I try to make sure I’m using as much as I can take and then scale back when I can’t take it anymore. Without an extreme effort, my steel cord doesn’t budge.

Another encouraging development is that when I go to full stretch now, there is a lot more tension on the ligs to the side of my unit, suggesting that the septum has loosened up enough for them to take some of the force. (Of course that also means I’m now stretching against both septum and ligs).

So apparently that dorsal thickening whatever its called is in middle of penis kinda near top. Well when I stetch my penis really hard I don’t feel anything like that in a middle its kinda to the left. Does that mean ohh ohh boy I have deformed pee pee.

I have this cord now I get it why I was not gaining at all in the length departement with all the streching I did and how dedicated I was.


Start Nov/17/2016 BPFSL 5.31 BPEL 5.31 NBPEL 5.07 EHG 3.75 EMG 4.48 EBG 4.80

Now Dec/5/2018 BPFSL 8.04 Standing BPEL 7.64 Sitting BPEL 7.92 /6.7-7.2 Standing BP usable for sex /6.8-7.3 Sitting BP usable for sex / standing NBPEL 5.83 sitting NBPEL 6.03 EHG 4.61 EMG 5 EBG 5.12 EHG width 1.51 EMG width 1.66 EBG width 1.55

New Goal BPFSL 8.5 BPEL 8 NBPEL 6 5 EMG 5.5 EBG 5.6 EHG 5

I’ve read through a reasonable amount of this thread and am still unsure as to whether or not I have this limiting cord. Hoping maybe with the information provided someone may be able to help me come to a conclusion.

How far I can stretch it depends more or less on how heated up it is, and it doesn’t seem to stretch long and thin, but I believe it stretches to about my current erect length.

When stretching, the only real “resistance” I feel is right around the area of where the penis connects to my pelvic area. It almost feels like I am trying to pull it off my body for lack of better description, and the only area I feel anything that could be described as a resisting feeling is right down there. Is this the “steel cord feeling” that many others have described, or am I just stretching/pulling to hard? I don’t really feel anything at all inside the shaft that’s resisting the stretch, just what I described above.

Any feedback would be great as if it turns out I do have it, I will tailor routines and exercises around it as to not be hindering gains that I could have been making if not taking the dorsal/thickening septum into consideration.

Everybody has it. It’s just a case of how thick yours is.


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I don’t have a DT, but more like 2 VT (Ventral Thickenings). I am on page 11, but it occurred to me while reading that my low LOT of 7 (from initially 9) may not only be the result of ligament stretching through hanging, but also due to hard tendon like structures on both sides of the ventral side, at 7 and 4 o clock, transversally. I say this because: imagine my units CC and CS getting larger through hanging and everything else along with it, over time my unit grows 1.5”, except for these 2 structures, remaining the same. What would happen? Well naturally being at the ventral side, they stay shortened, pulling the whole unit to the 7 o clock LOT position or lower.

Since I’ve gained about 1.5 inches BPEL through hanging and LOT has decreased from 9 to 7, assuming the 2 structures remain in length, drawing a triangle from pubic bone to the tip at 9 and then to the tip at 7 o clock, results in 1.3 gain from ligaments, and 0.2 from cords. I haven’t gained anymore from hanging BTC or SD. I haven’t maxed out my fulcrum hanging at 15lbs in those directions, so there may be some room there.

I think my ligament gains are maxed out, until my cords become longer.

However, since the cords are at the ventral side, would it make more sense to fulcrum hang OTS or BTC? The latter is more intuitive as the cords are ventraly located, but I have a gut feeling OTS fulcrum would be better, somehow, since I’d be going against the low LOT. I need some feedback

Also, I remember when I was fulcrum hanging BTC I had a hard tug coming from the anus, and I think those were my best gains. There seems to be a relationship between cords and anus tugging


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Sorry I messed up, I drew the triangle with 8 o clock and not 7 o clock. Now it’s more like 50/50 ligament/cord gain. However, on second thought, it could all be ligament gain, and a little cords. Had I worked on cords at the outset of PE, I could have retained 9 o clock LOT and gained 1.5” if I had lengthened cords as well.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
Sorry I messed up, I drew the triangle with 8 o clock and not 7 o clock. Now it’s more like 50/50 ligament/cord gain. However, on second thought, it could all be ligament gain, and a little cords. Had I worked on cords at the outset of PE, I could have retained 9 o clock LOT and gained 1.5” if I had lengthened cords as well.

How do you lengthen the cords?


Start Nov/17/2016 BPFSL 5.31 BPEL 5.31 NBPEL 5.07 EHG 3.75 EMG 4.48 EBG 4.80

Now Dec/5/2018 BPFSL 8.04 Standing BPEL 7.64 Sitting BPEL 7.92 /6.7-7.2 Standing BP usable for sex /6.8-7.3 Sitting BP usable for sex / standing NBPEL 5.83 sitting NBPEL 6.03 EHG 4.61 EMG 5 EBG 5.12 EHG width 1.51 EMG width 1.66 EBG width 1.55

New Goal BPFSL 8.5 BPEL 8 NBPEL 6 5 EMG 5.5 EBG 5.6 EHG 5

Originally Posted by brown dick 6.5 x 6.5
How do you lengthen the cords?

Fulcrums and angle fulcrums up and down the shaft with heat. When you get to this point theres not alot of tunica stretching gains left, but there still are a little bit left.

My fulcrum would be the size of a drumstick or thickness of a finger. Id adjust it up and down the shaft in .5” increments.

LOT is an old and disproved theory. Just go by feel for hanging angles. If it feels like an angle is stretching an area you want stretching, go with it.


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All injuries happen from "too much", or "too much, too soon" or "doing the exercise incorrectly".

Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. The ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth. Basics.... firegoat roll How to use the Search button for best results

Seems about right, doing what feels right. But often times you dont know what you should feel like or if it’s doing anything at all or you are wasting your time when you can be doing it better. Hence the question.

I was not aware LOT was disproved. How does one explain a lowering LOT then or going from 9 to 7? The ventral cords?


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Does anyone have a fix for this or anything that has worked for them? I’ve been going through forums for hours and don’t have the time to read 30 pages of responses as of now. Help a brother out

Originally Posted by Darshawn
Does anyone have a fix for this or anything that has worked for them? I’ve been going through forums for hours and don’t have the time to read 30 pages of responses as of now. Help a brother out

Consensus is depending on how bad your dorsal thickening is. Either fulcrum stretches and/ or fulcrum hanging. Or if you have a bad case you need to use extreme IR heat on the penis while doing fulcrum stretches and hanging. Seems to be the only thing that works.

Idk if this is the article that was mentioned mentioning the temperature at which collagen breaks down but I think I may have struck gold:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2684675/#!po=37.8788

Basic summary:
Collagens elasticity/viscosity is dependent on temperature and is exponential.
Below 32 celcius theres not much change in collagens viscocity.
Above 32 celcius there is increasing significance in change.
At 42 celcius the dependent parameter C, which represents viscosity is at 0.168(16.8%?)
The formula to determine viscocity is C= 0.0021e^0.089T +0.08 with 99% R^2
Inputting 69 or 70 celcius results in a C of ~1( or 100%? viscocity= gelatin) as previously mentioned.
Theres a dependency of the behaviour of viscocity on the duration of strain

Max temp before 1st degree burns occur is 44 degrees.

Given the above working the cord at anything less than 32 degrees is suboptimal, or a C of 10% as viscocity
At 44 degrees the viscocity parameter sits at 18.5%
The longer the strain the higher the behaviour of viscocity

I could not understand the charts so if someone can explain the charts with stress on y axis and time on x axis. Not sure why mpa ranges up and increasingly falls as time goes by and is lower for higher temps. Does this mean less force is needed under higher temps?

Also, there is study by Lam et al. (1990) for rabbit ligaments mentioned showing similar findings specially on the duration of stress under temperature but I cant access it. If anyone can it would be a great addition.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"


Last edited by manko007 : 11-02-2018 at .

Originally Posted by manko007

Basic summary:
Collagens elasticity/viscosity is dependent on temperature and is exponential.
Theres a dependency of the behaviour of viscocity on the duration of strain

The longer the strain the higher the behaviour of viscocity

I could not understand the charts so if someone can explain the charts with stress on y axis and time on x axis. Not sure why mpa ranges up and increasingly falls as time goes by and is lower for higher temps. Does this mean less force is needed under higher temps?

I think you already spelled it out in your summary.

Pressure marks the level of strain caused to tissue. When elevated elasticity kicks in the level of strain starts to downgrade as shown by the falling MPas. PE cornerstones time and load.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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