The Holy Grail of PE is found!!!

What are you on about?

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If during the PE session and during anytime of the day we cant have an erection induced by our hands(not jelking!), porn(something visual), or imagination, we`re not doing it right.

Basically Nick is saying that if that you experience a need greater than mild stimulation to achieve an erection…you are overtraining.

In general, I agree.

More precisely I would say that if you drop below your non-trained baseline in ability to achieve an erection…you are overtraining.

Thats a Physiologic Indicator (PI)…and a good one!

And doing any kind of injection on a HEALTHY DICK would hide the damage done either by PE or the injection itself. Just like using Viagra and other pills that can hide the damage done by PE.

If someone wishes to stay erect for 2 hours at a time, 3-4 times per week for 6-12 months, they`d better do it with the help of normal stimulation, or they might end up with serious ED.

Agreed!

Is an antipsychotic. It’s for people with schizophrenia and a gentleman I know who takes it has always complained of erection problems from the drugs he’s on though it may be the others. So maybe I’m wayy late on this thread but that sounds screwy to me, thought obviously I really don’t know how the stuff works so I’m just askin

But I would go even further and say that even during the PE exercises or at the end, one must be able to achieve a full erection.

Maybe one can use this to set the limit of over training during a PE session.

One does 300 jelqs for 4 weeks, he gains, and its obvious that he`s not overtraining at this moment. After another 4 weeks he gains nothing. Now he must up his number of jelqs…To how much? He does 320 jelqs…at the end of the exercise he is able to achieve full erection. Next session he does 340 jelqs…at the end of the exercise he is able to achieve full erection. Next session he does 360 and at the end of the exercise he`s not able to achieve a full erection. Is 360 too much and 340 just right? You bet your ass it is.

It may not be true for everyone…you really have to see for yourself…overall its a decent guideline.

Bird2`s thread: Amazing isometrics. Read his first post. Look at his gains. He does a full erection exercise after almost each workout.

You’re welcome for the thoughtful reply mravg ;) . I’ve thought about how I replied to your question and the fact of the matter is that I equivocated a bit in my response. Because I’m loathe to initiate conflict or controversy. And I abhor the practice of presenting something as factual or statistically robust without sufficient basis for such an assertion. Compound that with my belief that very few members will take the appropriate action as indicated by my honest assessment of the cause and effect relationship between SKF and PE, and I’m even less inclined to be forthcoming with it. The fact is, as far as I can tell, a lot, maybe most, “PEers” appear to think PE is an excuse for and/or a means to jack-off. And frankly, I’m getting tired of leading you horses to water only to watch most of you go thirsty.

But I’m going to show you all another section of Big Dick Creek anyway.

I think there are three aspects of SKF that positively affect PE gains. But one is foremost among them, I think. I’ve alluded to it already, but I’ll now be more clear: I think the lower rate of ejaculation attendant with SKF supports a more neuro-biochemically nutritional environment for penile tissue growth under the effects of applied deviatoric stress (IOW PE) compared to the neuro-biochemical environment during higher ejaculation rate periods. I don’t know the mechanism, but I think its prolactin related, as in refractory period systematics, during which penis retraction is characteristic. I realize that refractory period systematics are considered to be effective over only relatively short time frames, measured in minutes to maybe 10s of minutes, but I suspect that the post-ejaculation neuro-biochemical recovery (refractory) period for something as fundamental to a male biologic system as the mechanism for procreation, i.e. ejaculation, is more preferentially conditioned into our systems’ recovery capabilities, IOW, its “short tracked”, relative to the neuro- biochemical recovery period for something that exists at the complete opposite end of the biological imperative spectrum, i.e. gonad enlarging.

IOW, as far as our biological systems are concerned, making your 6.5” x 5” into a 7.5” x 5.5” is a really low priority compared to launching sperm. Indeed, as based on my experience, I conclude that gonad enlarging is something that our bodies neuro-biochemically counteract during the ambient neuro-biochemical conditions subsequent to ejaculation…which is what it REALLY cares about. So, as indicated by my experiments, with respect to PE activities, the ambient neuro-biochemical condition of retraction is measured in periods of days, 10s of days even, not minutes, subsequent to relatively high ejaculation rate periods. It stands to reason that it would take the opposite of this neuro-biochemical condition (high prolactin and who knows what else) that defines the physiological response of penis retraction, in order to best facilitate the opposite response, penis enlargement.

Think about it. If jacking off was beneficial for PE gains, don’t you think there’d be shit loads of guys with monster dicks walking around? I know that when I was a maniacal jack-off artist, my dick was much smaller than my pre-PE size. I also know that when I haven’t ejaculated for some extended period of time, my erections are huge, and my penis is straining, as if it has a mind of its own, looking for pussy! Emphasis on straining. As in strain. As in elongation. This is when we want to do PE. Smart PE. We want to take advantage of the neuro-biochemical condition that is promoting strain in our penile tissues, and induce a deviatoric stress in the direction that we want elongation. As long as we don’t apply it so aggressively that we trigger a physiological retraction response, we will gain.

To summarize: what we want to do is cultivate the neuro-biochemical conditions where our penises are straining to grow. Which are the conditions at the opposite end of the ejaculation frequency spectrum of most people, including, as far as I can tell, most PEers, in fact, as far as I can tell, in particular, most PEers. Ironic isn’t it.

So here’s my new hypothesis: SKF practice, and the seminal retention aspect of it in particular, increases PE gains within individual training cycles by facilitating a more neuro-biochemically conducive environment for both training gains (elongation parallel to the applied deviatoric stress) and recovery to occur, thereby allowing for increased training work per cycle before the inevitable switch from a positive feedback (gains) system to negative feedback (conditioning) system sets in.

Funny, sounds like how the effects of steroids on muscle tissue are described doesn’t it? Interesting.

There are two other, albeit closely related, PE beneficial aspects of SKF practice. But I’m tired of writing now.

Drink up (IOW, back-off on the jack-off)…if you’ve got any sense.

I think PE should be mixed with jacking off in a smart way as you said. Maybe a 1 hour edging session combined with 5-10-15 minutes of PE without ejaculation every day… ?

Got your pompous setting turned up today xeno? Your attitude at times might just be the reason people ignore what you are posting. Whatcha think?

I`m not ignoring it. I just dont understand it.

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Actually, I must have overlooked your response, but read it right now for the first time. (post #50).
If I had read it before, I don’t know whether or not I would have remembered to thank you or not, but in the future I will try to remember your sensitive nature. Thanks Xeno!

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I think you’re mistaken about “pompous” and “attitude” and that if people ignore what I post, that they’re foolish to do so. But you probably think that displays “pompous” and “attitude” too. You’d again be mistaken. But I can take a hint and can do without the insults too. S’what I get for trying to help. I’ll refrain from assisting others around here for a while.