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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by oMooseknuckle
Id be interested to see the results of this as well. Or at the very least the preliminary temperature measurements of a session, to see how well US works during pumping.

I think its all been said, but it seems rather common for those doing US therapy to use shallow water as a replacement for the gels. It seems the biggest issue would be the plastics or other materials used for pumps blocking US waves. However some should still travel through, but Its a matter of how effectively.

Would be fairly interesting however. If, and hopefully it works, I could see it being far more beneficial than US with hanging.

Unfortunately Im in no position to purchases a US at the time, seeing as Im constantly moving to new places, otherwise I would be tempted to help test the validity of it myself.

The more I think on this however, what benefit.. if any could US provide during pumping over warm water. Suppose US worked perfectly during pumping with water. How would using US be more beneficial then using warm water as the method of heating during PE?

Where can I read about someone using shallow water instead of gel?

Another session with the soundcare plus today, boys. Man, the heating on this machine is absolutely insane. After a couple minutes it gets so hot I have to take the applicator off the skin for 15-30 seconds because the internal tissues are so hot it can start to get painful. I highly highly highly recommend this machine over the US Pro for those that can afford the extra few hundred dollars.

Originally Posted by oMooseknuckle
Id be interested to see the results of this as well. Or at the very least the preliminary temperature measurements of a session, to see how well US works during pumping.

I think its all been said, but it seems rather common for those doing US therapy to use shallow water as a replacement for the gels. It seems the biggest issue would be the plastics or other materials used for pumps blocking US waves. However some should still travel through, but Its a matter of how effectively.

Would be fairly interesting however. If, and hopefully it works, I could see it being far more beneficial than US with hanging.

Unfortunately Im in no position to purchases a US at the time, seeing as Im constantly moving to new places, otherwise I would be tempted to help test the validity of it myself.

The more I think on this however, what benefit.. if any could US provide during pumping over warm water. Suppose US worked perfectly during pumping with water. How would using US be more beneficial then using warm water as the method of heating during PE?

Through the cylinder wall it is impossible.
The transducer needs to be inside.

The potential is there, we just need to build such a device and give it a try.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Another session with the soundcare plus today, boys. Man, the heating on this machine is absolutely insane. After a couple minutes it gets so hot I have to take the applicator off the skin for 15-30 seconds because the internal tissues are so hot it can start to get painful. I highly highly highly recommend this machine over the US Pro for those that can afford the extra few hundred dollars.

How hot are the internal tissues? skin temperature means nothing when attempting to apply the device in a therapeutic way.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Where can I read about someone using shallow water instead of gel?

Just try googling Ultra Sound with water, or something along those lines. I think I even first stumbled across a youtube video of a classroom setting showing it there.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Through the cylinder wall it is impossible.
The transducer needs to be inside.

The potential is there, we just need to build such a device and give it a try.

This is not to doubt you, in fact Im inclined to agree with you, but has this been tested? From what I recall there are several applications I had come across where ultra sound was being passed through thin materials effectively. To be honest though, I have no recollection of what frequency they used, or really what the application was for in the first place.

Are you aware of any studies on wave lengths and potential to pass through x densities at y thickness?

Like I said, im leaning heavily towards agreeing with you. However, it is one of those things that if I did have a US machine I would still play around with it for a bit…. just to see… and to avoid sifting through case studies lol


"Pain is temporary, pride is forever."

Originally Posted by oMooseknuckle
Just try googling Ultra Sound with water, or something along those lines. I think I even first stumbled across a youtube video of a classroom setting showing it there.

This is not to doubt you, in fact Im inclined to agree with you, but has this been tested? From what I recall there are several applications I had come across where ultra sound was being passed through thin materials effectively. To be honest though, I have no recollection of what frequency they used, or really what the application was for in the first place.

Are you aware of any studies on wave lengths and potential to pass through x densities at y thickness?

Like I said, im leaning heavily towards agreeing with you. However, it is one of those things that if I did have a US machine I would still play around with it for a bit…. just to see… and to avoid sifting through case studies lol

There are some plastics capable of letting some frquencies through easier. Unfortunately polycarbonate or acrylic combounds are not like that.
The acoustic attenuation coefficient and the absorbtion rate are highly against our purpose.

The tube heats up by absorbtion and reflects waves back against transducer by high degree.

Anyone can try it putting The cylinder under a water, pointing the transducer towards the tube, keeping fingers inside the cylinder.
Fingers are not heating up.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by igigi
How hot are the internal tissues? skin temperature means nothing when attempting to apply the device in a therapeutic way.

I havent attached the thermocouple to the dorsal side yet, but I’m not sure that’s actually going to be necessary.

The feeling of heat isn’t on the skin, let alone on the skin contacting the transducer.

The feeling of heat is within the tissues, internally, mostly on the dorsal side but also throughout the entire penis.

If I leave it for too long it will literally cook from the inside.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
There are some plastics capable of letting

Fingers are not heating up.


Awesome response. Thanks for the info Kypra. I mean its not awesome in terms of application… but we’ll pointed non the less.

It would be quite a world to see a perfect pump/us combo. Some day maybe


"Pain is temporary, pride is forever."

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I havent attached the thermocouple to the dorsal side yet, but I’m not sure that’s actually going to be necessary.

The feeling of heat isn’t on the skin, let alone on the skin contacting the transducer.

The feeling of heat is within the tissues, internally, mostly on the dorsal side but also throughout the entire penis.

If I leave it for too long it will literally cook from the inside.

And how much does it feel 42 degrees?

How much you have to feel before you damage tissue?

How much do you feel at 39 degrees under therapeutic zone?


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
And how much does it feel 42 degrees?

How much you have to feel before you damage tissue?

How much do you feel at 39 degrees under therapeutic zone?

I haven’t tried the thermocouple yet so I can’t tell

I am concerned that the tissue may get damaged because it’s too hot - which is why I said I have to pull it off the penis after a few minutes

One thing about the thermocouple is it will only gauge the temperature on the skin of the dorsal side - it won’t tell me the temperature inside the penis… And based on the sensations, I’d say the internal heat is actually greater than the heat on the surface where the thermocouple will be

Originally Posted by igigi
And how much does it feel 42 degrees?

How much you have to feel before you damage tissue?

How much do you feel at 39 degrees under therapeutic zone?

Your body makes things very simple in this regards. Other than inside your mouth (which has higher pain threshold) the pain threshold is generally 42C which is our target. Your body uses pain to let you know when you’ve reached temps that will damage tissues. The simple of it for our purposes is to get to a point that is just uncomfortably warm but not painfully hot. If you are gritting your teeth and sweating as you endure the pain, you’ve heated too far and are likely damaging tissue.

The second consideration is time which has been discussed thoroughly here. The higher the heat gets, the shorter the exposure must be. And this function is non-linear with an exponential decay. Your tissue can handle very lengthy exposure to 39C, but at 42C we are talking about just several minutes.

Think of a jacuzzi tub at max temperature (typically 41.5 to 42C). It is uncomfortably warm when you get in, but you can tolerate it. At 45C you wouldn’t be able to do anything other than quickly dip your hands and feet in and it will cause first degree burns within a very short period.

Originally Posted by igigi
And how much does it feel 42 degrees?

How much you have to feel before you damage tissue?

How much do you feel at 39 degrees under therapeutic zone?

I can easily comply with what Tutt already said about the 42C threshold, at that temperature it starts to be intolerable.

About the damage, there are plenty of studies showing very different levels of damage in different kinds of tissue.

For the soft tissue in general, it has been posted earlier what the American Institute of Ultrasound in Medicine has concluded to be the guideline for safe exposure time for the given temperature.
For the 42C temperature, a continuous duration of less than 238 sec should be declared safe.

We are not getting such continuous durations during the therapy very easily, and for most of us it turns out to be unbearable as well.
For instance, I have not been able to record such durations during multiple trials neither with the sole transducer (US Pro) nor dual setting.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Agreed. Sustaining at 42C constant for extended periods is both very difficult and would become quite uncomfortable.

Tutt and Kyrpa, I was being sarcastic with BiggerPenis73.

I am trying to wake up in him the importance of measuring temperature while following the approach for PE. Wether we are under desired temperature or over, it is inaccurate to go just by feel.

Of course, there is a point in which the heat hurts, and you remove the transducer. But that makes up for a very poor unreliable session. Rather than being pulling it off due to so much heat, better to have a proper setup that constantly measure temperature in order to allow for s smooth stable session.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

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