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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by scienceguy
And still people are missing it. Just thinking of others and considering the dangers of misuse it would be good to have a devoted thread on the safety but that’s just my opinion.

People missing a lot because they don´t care.
If reading the first and last post only is the way doing things around here, the whole threads we are putting out are worthless crap.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Just a suggestion, feel free to ignore. Didn’t realize it was such a touchy subject.

Originally Posted by scienceguy
Just a suggestion, feel free to ignore. Didn’t realize it was such a touchy subject.

That can be done and will be done in a form or another. The suggestion you proposed is all fine. Thanks for pointing it out.
Please forgive me, the thing is it brings up some frustration that people are just too lazy to read even the first five or six posts of these threads.
Not to mention for going into google or for literature trying to explore more.

This thread started when some of the readers had concerns about safety issues.
If someone would take a chance and read it, most of the needed information is on the first page of the thread.

For someone still not convinced, there is plenty of information available on safe ultrasound use in general.
Also in video format on youtube.

That information is valid on our application as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I understand that. I have read all the pages as it’s interesting but some people just jump in and it’s those I would worry about, I do agree all the necessary information is in the thread

Originally Posted by scienceguy
I understand that. I have read all the pages as it’s interesting but some people just jump in and it’s those I would worry about, I do agree all the necessary information is in the thread

Darwin


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BiggerPenis73,

It seems to me that you HAVE to read through all the US threads. Heating your penis while on top of your gut is a red flag right there. All the safety recommendations have been addressed multiple times in multiple threads.

I have always advised everybody to read through all the threads before engaging into this, even to apply the protocol the right way. Its like anything in life, you must learn first before you do it.


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Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Otherwise great but it is told not to use the ultrasound with such intensity on your abdomen wall. Pointed out in the safety measures section on this thread. As well discussed several times.
That 1 MHz wavefront has still 40- 50% of the intensity left to absorb when reaching your bowels. That is not healthy.

“Ultrasonic cavitation and gas body activation are closely related mechanisms which depend on the rarefactional pressure amplitude of ultrasound waves. Ultrasound transmitted into a tissue may have rarefactional pressure amplitudes of several megaPascals (MPa). This tensile stress is supported by the medium and, for example, a 2-MPa rarefactional pressure, which is common even for diagnostic ultrasound, represents a negative tension 20 times atmospheric pressure (i. e., 0.1 MPa). This high rarefactional pressure can act to initiate cavitation activity in tissue when suitable cavitation nuclei are present, or directly induce pulsation of pre-existing gas bodies, such as occur in lung, intestine, or with ultrasound contrast agents. Cavitation and gas body activation primarily cause local tissue injury in the immediate vicinity of the cavitational activity, including cell death and hemorrhage of blood vessels.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3810427/

It was already written several times about this topic here. The message that has stuck with me is that no one should radiate in the direction of the internal organs (intestine, bladder…), precisely because of cavitation.
Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa
Kyrpa - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE and following. Unfortunately, I could not find Tutt’s comments on this.

That’s why I’m always surprised that these kHz devices are also advertised to be able to fight belly fat. Even if you watch youtube videos about the application of these devices in cosmetic studios, you can see again and again that the protagonists radiate directly into the belly.

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As I understand it, the depth of radiation should be even greater in the kHz range. Why do they do that? Are we paranoid here or do they simply have no idea what they are selling?

I was aware of previous posts that discouraged aiming in that direction.

It’s a risk in my judgement that is relatively inconsequential.

I don’t advise others to follow suit, and I may switch back over to the 3mhz soundcare plus machine in the coming days anyways - which of course with it’s shallow depth, would pose even less of a risk.

Originally Posted by Rocco25
It was already written several times about this topic here. The message that has stuck with me is that no one should radiate in the direction of the internal organs (intestine, bladder…), precisely because of cavitation.
Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa
Kyrpa - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE and following. Unfortunately, I could not find Tutt’s comments on this.

That’s why I’m always surprised that these kHz devices are also advertised to be able to fight belly fat. Even if you watch youtube videos about the application of these devices in cosmetic studios, you can see again and again that the protagonists radiate directly into the belly.

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As I understand it, the depth of radiation should be even greater in the kHz range. Why do they do that? Are we paranoid here or do they simply have no idea what they are selling?

Even If the KHz should have deeper penetration , applications are highly selective on adipose tissue.

Having a lot of abdominal fat can help here with 1 MHz as well.

Being overly sensitive about safety does not hurt in these circles.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Ultrasound trial run today

Equipment:
Roscoe Medical Soundcare Plus US unit
2 channel K type temperature probe
Homemade noose hanger
1 gallon water jug

30 min hanging without heat. Start 0.5kg adding 100g water every minute to 2.5kg
30 min US after adding 1 more kg, 3MHz 2.5w/cm2. 10 min to get to 40C then 20 min maintained at +40C
10 min cooldown after adding 300g

Start BPFSL 18.5 cm
Post BPFSL 19.0 cm
Strain 2.7%

Took a surprisingly long time to get to 40C but once there it was easy to maintain with max temp of 42.5C. Found using 2 transducers too awkward so used 1 for most of the session. Will need to get a phantom. The heat on the thigh was pretty intense at times. Will also need a “real” hanger and weight system but this was just a trial run. I think 2.7% strain is pretty good for the first time out. Will document progress in my own thread when I officialy start.


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Originally Posted by Rocco25
It was already written several times about this topic here. The message that has stuck with me is that no one should radiate in the direction of the internal organs (intestine, bladder…), precisely because of cavitation.
Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa
Kyrpa - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE and following. Unfortunately, I could not find Tutt’s comments on this.

That’s why I’m always surprised that these kHz devices are also advertised to be able to fight belly fat. Even if you watch youtube videos about the application of these devices in cosmetic studios, you can see again and again that the protagonists radiate directly into the belly.

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As I understand it, the depth of radiation should be even greater in the kHz range. Why do they do that? Are we paranoid here or do they simply have no idea what they are selling?

The best recommendation is to stay away from the internal organs. There is a lot of nuance around different uses for US. For example, the first uses for US were treating kidney stones and gall stones. On the one hand, US is highly selective to adipose tissue. So where you see it penetrating all the way through the penis, that wouldn’t be the case if there was a 1cm thick layer of fat under the skin like we see on the typical abdomen. In fact, we are lucky there is no appreciable fat on the penis which results in the waves most highly selecting the collagenous tissues.

For certain organs there are cavitation issues; bladder, lungs, etc. And there is particular concern for random wave scatter resulting in uncontrolled standing waves at problematic locations. Imagine sound waves rebounding off the smooth inner surface of the ribs and into the lungs resulting in weird energy spikes. For most people there is a sort of protective layer of fat in most locations. But this is not true of the prostate and testes in the location we are treating. Be very careful of these organs as you can cause sterility or impotence.

An abundance of caution is warranted.

I’m very cautious but so far after a few days of doing US and getting it to actually work, my penis has responded in a way that no other form of PE has been able to cause it to respond.

Hanging 37.5lbs… pumping at extreme pressures… All-day extending… None of it caused what I am seeing now….

I am going to hold off on measuring and reporting measurements for another week or so until I can get my new 3mhz soundcare plus and do a few sessions with it too…

I’m thinking the instant/immediate elongation is followed up by tissue growth in the subsequent days…

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I’m thinking the instant/immediate elongation is followed up by tissue growth in the subsequent days…

You are on it


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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