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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I haven’t tried the thermocouple yet so I can’t tell

I am concerned that the tissue may get damaged because it’s too hot - which is why I said I have to pull it off the penis after a few minutes

One thing about the thermocouple is it will only gauge the temperature on the skin of the dorsal side - it won’t tell me the temperature inside the penis… And based on the sensations, I’d say the internal heat is actually greater than the heat on the surface where the thermocouple will be

I see that complexity coming up with a 3Mhz device my friend. Sure enough, with a 3Mhz your internal temp must be higher than your external temp.

This is not the case with a 1Mhz, since the 1Mhz almost passes completely to the other side of the penis, measuring just flush against the septum on the doral side you get the accurate reading of whats going on there. Remember, the important target is the septum, that is the structure that we are trying to elongate.

One solution in your case will be to measure transurethral, and external at the same time. That way you will draw parallels. Lets say when inside is 41, outside is 38 ands so on. Once you create that table, you dont need to transurethral probe anymore.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
I see that complexity coming up with a 3Mhz device my friend. Sure enough, with a 3Mhz your internal temp must be higher than your external temp.

This is not the case with a 1Mhz, since the 1Mhz almost passes completely to the other side of the penis, measuring just flush against the septum on the doral side you get the accurate reading of whats going on there. Remember, the important target is the septum, that is the structure that we are trying to elongate.

One solution in your case will be to measure transurethral, and external at the same time. That way you will draw parallels. Lets say when inside is 41, outside is 38 ands so on. Once you create that table, you dont need to transurethral probe anymore.

That’s actually a good idea

Is there a recommended transurethral probe that I should purchase

Is it possible to mix ultrasound heat with pump?

Thoughts this morning…

What’s the ideal duration of stretching under heat - and what’s the ideal frequency?

Since the goal is utilizing the bio changes that occur under heat go cause extraordinary strain, might the proper duration be defined by the minimum time necessary to achieve that strain?

So - relatively brief periods of stretching under heat… Say, once tissues reach target temperature, maybe just a couple minutes of stretching, and then remove heat and keep stretched until it cools.

And if this is the case, then perhaps frequency might be increased. Say 2-3 times per day - maybe even more (once every two hours?), of these very short two minute “stretch under heat” therapies?

With of course a couple rest days per week mixed in.

Or, on the flip side, could it be that we want to maximize the duration of stretching under heat within a single session? Say, 45m to an hour under heat (or more)? And if this is the case, would frequency need to be increased or decreased?

I’m leaning towards the idea that the high frequency, short duration stretching might be more ideal (with rest days), but the thought of sessions of longer duration is also interesting.

Another idea - what about using heavy weights to maximize the elongation? I can’t hang much with the vacuum hanger without getting a blister, but if I found a way to get the penis heated with US while it was attached to a compression hanger, and then loaded up 15-20lbs on the hanger while the penis was at therapeutic temperatures, might that weight be the force needed to really throw growth into hyperdrive?

Maybe heavy weight under heat (perhaps with lower frequency - every other day? Every third day?) might be the key

Originally Posted by Pumpbra
Is it possible to mix ultrasound heat with pump?

There is some discussion in this thread already. Unless the transducer is inside a cylinder during the pumping set the expectations are poor.
Pre-conditioning with ultrasound aided stretching just prior to the pumping has been trialed without significant gains.
Gains, but not near the magnitude found in the elongation exercises.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Thoughts this morning…

What’s the ideal duration of stretching under heat - and what’s the ideal frequency?

Since the goal is utilizing the bio changes that occur under heat go cause extraordinary strain, might the proper duration be defined by the minimum time necessary to achieve that strain?

So - relatively brief periods of stretching under heat… Say, once tissues reach target temperature, maybe just a couple minutes of stretching, and then remove heat and keep stretched until it cools.

And if this is the case, then perhaps frequency might be increased. Say 2-3 times per day - maybe even more (once every two hours?), of these very short two minute “stretch under heat” therapies?

With of course a couple rest days per week mixed in.

Or, on the flip side, could it be that we want to maximize the duration of stretching under heat within a single session? Say, 45m to an hour under heat (or more)? And if this is the case, would frequency need to be increased or decreased?

I’m leaning towards the idea that the high frequency, short duration stretching might be more ideal (with rest days), but the thought of sessions of longer duration is also interesting.

Another idea - what about using heavy weights to maximize the elongation? I can’t hang much with the vacuum hanger without getting a blister, but if I found a way to get the penis heated with US while it was attached to a compression hanger, and then loaded up 15-20lbs on the hanger while the penis was at therapeutic temperatures, might that weight be the force needed to really throw growth into hyperdrive?

Maybe heavy weight under heat (perhaps with lower frequency - every other day? Every third day?) might be the key

Keeping the strain readings as a determiner you can decide which is the way.
Also, we need to understand this being a very effective tool, allowing elongation out of physiological range able of producing gains beyond expectations.

Especially allowing us to gain without the need of going heavy. Whatever you decide to do, respect the tissue, it is not like it will extend elastically endlessly as you pile up the weights. Nothing like that is expected.

Twice a day exercise though might be worth trying, combined with several rest days following.

Not very wise to try to extend the time under heat, more likely it should be administered in shorter doses.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
That’s actually a good idea

Is there a recommended transurethral probe that I should purchase

Not readily available. We have modified flexible probes on our own.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I know I can’t stretch the penis past a certain point during a single treatment

But I do wonder whether additional weight could cause additional strain

If too long under heat is problematic (I’m guessing you say this because of possible tissue damage - even at the lower end of the therapeutic range), then perhaps frequent short duration treatments is ideal

Maybe even frequent short duration treatments using heavier loads

Say every few hours, just a couple minutes under heat, with 15-20lbs

Of course with my work schedule I couldn’t feasibly do that throughout the day, but I might be able to do 2-3x per day.. one at morning, two in the evening after work spread out a few hours between…

The only issue is getting my penis attached to 15-20lbs without causing blisters (using the vacuum cup) or without effectively reducing the treatment area to nothing but an inch or so (using a compression hanger that blocks most of the entire shaft)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I know I can’t stretch the penis past a certain point during a single treatment

But I do wonder whether additional weight could cause additional strain

If too long under heat is problematic (I’m guessing you say this because of possible tissue damage - even at the lower end of the therapeutic range), then perhaps frequent short duration treatments is ideal

Maybe even frequent short duration treatments using heavier loads

Say every few hours, just a couple minutes under heat, with 15-20lbs

Of course with my work schedule I couldn’t feasibly do that throughout the day, but I might be able to do 2-3x per day.. one at morning, two in the evening after work spread out a few hours between…

The only issue is getting my penis attached to 15-20lbs without causing blisters (using the vacuum cup) or without effectively reducing the treatment area to nothing but an inch or so (using a compression hanger that blocks most of the entire shaft)

Going that far with the load during a short duration bout means getting into excessive strain rates Tutt has well presented in my log.
It can turn against your aim posing many adverse effects on the tissue. The tissue strengthening and accelerated adaptation with plateau peeking in on the corner.
There is an optimal pace for the strain to occur. Stretching the elongation out too fast means trouble.
If going beyond the optimal load, I suggest taking baby steps. Very cautiously.

I don´t know the situation with Guittarman, but I think he got greedy with the initial results he got, and now suffers from it for a while.
We need to respect the tissue and the power of this tool.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

+1 on what Kyrpa just explained.

Generally… heavier and faster is bad. Slower and lighter is good, so long as we get about 1-2.5% beyond the previous limit.

Ok I’m going to try to do more frequent treatments of shorter duration with around 4-5lbs of tension and make sure with my heat to ride the border between warm and almost painful (instead of the border between slightly painful and too painful to bear, as I did last week)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
There is some discussion in this thread already. Unless the transducer is inside a cylinder during the pumping set the expectations are poor.
Pre-conditioning with ultrasound aided stretching just prior to the pumping has been trialed without significant gains.
Gains, but not near the magnitude found in the elongation exercises.

Thanks!

Hey Kyrpa,

I got some bad news. You remember how I told you that my left testicle got hard and hurted after using that us pro too low on my shaft. I went to the hospital and they diagnosed I had a tumor in my testicle. I had surgery and It got cut out and now I only have one testicle. The doctor sad heat can trigger growth of tumor or even cause them if you already have some kind of bad cells down there. I don’t cry, it is how it is now.

But for the future, Kyrpa, do you know any material that I can put around or infront of my balls that block the ultrasound waves??
I couldn‘t find answers in google to this. And to all others reading this. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFULL, NEVER POINT THE HEAD OF THE DEVICE IN THE DIRECTION OF YOUR TESTICLES, even when your dick is in between. And everyone trying to get an even bigger dick and experimenting and taking risks: CHECK YOUR TESTICLES every now and then by an UROLOGIST. And they should take a blood sample and look for tumor markers. My tumor was cancer but the chances are very good that it didnt spread and that I don’t have to do a chemo. So guys check your balls every now and then, women are checked by their gynecologist like twice per year on cancer, we never get checked in our testicles do we.!

Wish you guys all the best

Originally Posted by Cobra97
Hey Kyrpa,

I got some bad news. You remember how I told you that my left testicle got hard and hurted after using that us pro too low on my shaft. I went to the hospital and they diagnosed I had a tumor in my testicle. I had surgery and It got cut out and now I only have one testicle. The doctor sad heat can trigger growth of tumor or even cause them if you already have some kind of bad cells down there. I don’t cry, it is how it is now.

But for the future, Kyrpa, do you know any material that I can put around or infront of my balls that block the ultrasound waves??
I couldn‘t find answers in google to this. And to all others reading this. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFULL, NEVER POINT THE HEAD OF THE DEVICE IN THE DIRECTION OF YOUR TESTICLES, even when your dick is in between. And everyone trying to get an even bigger dick and experimenting and taking risks: CHECK YOUR TESTICLES every now and then by an UROLOGIST. And they should take a blood sample and look for tumor markers. My tumor was cancer but the chances are very good that it didnt spread and that I don’t have to do a chemo. So guys check your balls every now and then, women are checked by their gynecologist like twice per year on cancer, we never get checked in our testicles do we.!

Wish you guys all the best

Sorry to hear about that man, that’s really terrible

I had something similar back in November of 2019. I was doing some light hanging with an infrared heat lamp pointed at my penis/crotch, and a small old cyst-type of lump I had on the side of my scrotum for several years basically exploded to the size of a tennis ball overnight, extremely painful. Had to spend a week in the hospital. I actually spent the next year and a half doing endless rounds of antibiotics until the doctor finally agreed to do surgery and cut the thing out. Got a big scar on the side of my scrotum now.

Originally Posted by Cobra97
Hey Kyrpa,

I got some bad news. You remember how I told you that my left testicle got hard and hurted after using that us pro too low on my shaft. I went to the hospital and they diagnosed I had a tumor in my testicle. I had surgery and It got cut out and now I only have one testicle. The doctor sad heat can trigger growth of tumor or even cause them if you already have some kind of bad cells down there. I don’t cry, it is how it is now.

But for the future, Kyrpa, do you know any material that I can put around or infront of my balls that block the ultrasound waves??
I couldn‘t find answers in google to this. And to all others reading this. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFULL, NEVER POINT THE HEAD OF THE DEVICE IN THE DIRECTION OF YOUR TESTICLES, even when your dick is in between. And everyone trying to get an even bigger dick and experimenting and taking risks: CHECK YOUR TESTICLES every now and then by an UROLOGIST. And they should take a blood sample and look for tumor markers. My tumor was cancer but the chances are very good that it didnt spread and that I don’t have to do a chemo. So guys check your balls every now and then, women are checked by their gynecologist like twice per year on cancer, we never get checked in our testicles do we.!

Wish you guys all the best

Sad to hear it was that bad you had to lose your testicle.

One thing puzzles me in your case. Since you thought your device wasn´t working for several tries, the first time you felt the heating you immediately hurt your testicle. And did you had the metal can as a fulcrum in use this time? Laying against your testicles?

Another thing is, can you thought of you already had this cancerous tumor and by irresponsible use aggravated it to signal pain. If so you should be thankful for the event, without the incident, god only knows how bad it might have developed before finding the disease.

I can´t help but it is weird to think if the doctor didn´t say anything like it, instead of hinting you have caused a tumor severe enough to get your testicle removed days after by one-time exposure?

The air cuts the ultrasound at these frequencies absolutely. The wavefront needs your tissue as a road into your sacks.

Moving them away using the plastic or rubber ring or something similar. Using your hand as a protector is fine as well.

Do not use metal cans as fulcrums as you had, there is no way to predict the direction of the reflection.

The wavefront can travel along the penis into your testicles inside if the transducer is pointed towards.
Similarly, if the transducer is inclined of its centerline you will cause waves traveling bouncing from side to side proceeding into the direction of angle.

The safest precaution is to apply the ultrasound from the ventral side especially at the base.
Never apply from the dorsal side at the base when sitting.
Be cautious at the base as the pubic bone can reflect the waves against the testicles.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 09-29-2021 at .
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