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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Hankreardon

Why would you not be able to use the US to warm up then throw on a clamp and keep using the US to keep the temp where you need it to expand?

You benefit from the heat for one minute until you drop below 39C , which is pretty much the same as no heat in the first place.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
You benefit from the heat for one minute until you drop below 39C , which is pretty much the same as no heat in the first place.

My question is why stop when you put on the clamp? Why not keep using the ultrasound to keep the heat up while your clamping?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
If we were about to utilize the ultrasound machinery optimizing for ED/EQ treatment only, I suggest purchasing a piece of better machinery having more options for adjustments.

Ok. I remember you had some device for EQ purpose only. With your experience, can you recommend that device or look for something else?

I am really interrested about theory that LIPUS “low intensity pulsed ultrasound” or LI-ESWT “Low-intensity extracorporeal shock wave therapy” could grow new blood vessels or recruit stem cells to grow new penile vascular tissue. In general improve blood flow. As I have done few stupid things in my life that may have caused some fibrosis and decreased EQ. Compression hanging with too much blood under/front of hanger that caused girth gain of 1cm/0,4” and worse was full dose Invicorp injection that caused 5-6h, not painful, priapism that was resolved in ER with aspiration and alpha agonist injection. Luckily still 8/10 EQ with sildenafil/tadalafil, but could be better.

Do you have opinion which is better for EQ LIPUS or LI-ESWT? What I have read both have worked in studies to some degree.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Ok. I remember you had some device for EQ purpose only. With your experience, can you recommend that device or look for something else?

I am really interrested about theory that LIPUS “low intensity pulsed ultrasound” or LI-ESWT “Low-intensity extracorporeal shock wave therapy” could grow new blood vessels or recruit stem cells to grow new penile vascular tissue. In general improve blood flow. As I have done few stupid things in my life that may have caused some fibrosis and decreased EQ. Compression hanging with too much blood under/front of hanger that caused girth gain of 1cm/0,4” and worse was full dose Invicorp injection that caused 5-6h, not painful, priapism that was resolved in ER with aspiration and alpha agonist injection. Luckily still 8/10 EQ with sildenafil/tadalafil, but could be better.

Do you have opinion which is better for EQ LIPUS or LI-ESWT? What I have read both have worked in studies to some degree.

Yes. I have done LI-ESWT treatments with cheap Chinese machinery. On top of the ongoing ultrasound therapy campaign, I must say, there is not much to expect from ESWT.

During decon, it surely makes some difference but since I, and not so many other users around these forums can´t get out of dependency on erection drugs despite the use, I honestly don´t think it is that miraculous treatment either.
At the best, from what I understand, we can decrease the dosage at least.

I wouldn´t be recommending any device though.

Li-ESWT has proven to work in practice, but like you, I am curious about the LIPUS.
ESWT used wrongly by self-practicing amateurs can be a seriously destructive weapon which LIPUS most certainly is not.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Hankreardon
My question is why stop when you put on the clamp? Why not keep using the ultrasound to keep the heat up while your clamping?

I think there is a systemic miscalculation in your theory. How did you manage to keep up your erection while heating with US in the first place?
I highly doubt it as a functioning practice.

In general, I do think all of the expansion practices involving the use of ultrasound should be managed with artificial erection.
That would make the practices repeatable and the results comparable between users.

No porn, not any sexual thoughts, no arousal needed. Just make the expansion with a pump, then clamp the penis during the treatment time.

There have already been enough traditional clampers with US to ensure there are no extraordinary results coming.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Yes. I have done LI-ESWT treatments with cheap Chinese machinery. On top of the ongoing ultrasound therapy campaign, I must say, there is not much to expect from ESWT.

During decon, it surely makes some difference but since I, and not so many other users around these forums can´t get out of dependency on erection drugs despite the use, I honestly don´t think it is that miraculous treatment either.
At the best, from what I understand, we can decrease the dosage at least.

I wouldn´t be recommending any device though.

Li-ESWT has proven to work in practice, but like you, I am curious about the LIPUS.
ESWT used wrongly by self-practicing amateurs can be a seriously destructive weapon which LIPUS most certainly is not.

So do you take cialis/viagra all year round?

Originally Posted by eivbisi
So do you take cialis/viagra all year round?

Viagra at the moment. It has been the same during all my time in PE and before.
I don´t need it for every intercourse during a weekend but still, take it several times during the weekend.

Actually, I initially got into PE for curing my EQ. And the situation has been better for a long time. Unfortunately still relying on medicine.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

Li-ESWT has proven to work in practice, but like you, I am curious about the LIPUS.
ESWT used wrongly by self-practicing amateurs can be a seriously destructive weapon which LIPUS most certainly is not.

Could it be that ultrasound used as heat source when stretching, has some positive effects to penis vasculatory?

At what Page can I find a routine?

Originally Posted by 8InchesNBeyond
At what Page can I find a routine?

You’ve got to drudge through the whole thread.

I’ve got this brand new soundcare plus ultrasound that I just bought last month that I’d be willing to sell below retail to someone here. The machine is an absolute powerhouse, I just don’t have the discipline to use it regularly so it doesn’t make much sense to keep it. I’d return it for a full refund but the one month return window closed last week. So anyone interested shoot me a PM. Ill accept a reasonable offer.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Could it be that ultrasound used as heat source when stretching, has some positive effects to penis vasculatory?

Let me weigh in with an observation. You may have heard of or seen the “B Potent” device ads touting it as a Gainswave device. I can tell you from experience they will send what looks to be a standard US device for a $1,000….but in theory (other than the rip off) ultra sound has some shared principles with Gainswave devices in that both use a sound wave (not to be confused with other “shockwave” devices using a pneumatic piston strike such as the Rocket and Chinese devices). So, apart from the heat generation, it would seem a US device generating sound waves may have some similar effect to a true Gainswave treatment, albeit at a far lower shockwave.

Kyrpa, do you have any thoughts on water pumping with temperature-controlled active water cycling?
What you’ve been saying is that the tissues themselves must reach theraputic ranges for structural weakening to happen. The favourite heating methods for pumpers are either heat pad wraps or infrared lamps, which from experience I’ve had trouble with applying consistently. Measuring temperature is also quite difficult.

I guess my question is more around the idea of - if temperature-controlled water reaches theraputic range, is there anything particular about a uniform vacuum load that could change results here?

I intend on experimenting with modifying a cylinder to accept a temperature probe, as well as an outlet for water to cycle through. The whole system would need to be under vacuum pressure, so I have been researching peristaltic pumps as a potential way to create an “outboard” temperature & vacuum control rig. It seems to me that this could be an economic, low-complexity solution if done right.


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Hi retriculated.

Can you explain your idea in more detail please. Where would the inlet and outlet be on the water recirculating?
Would the water reservoir where the hot water is stored, be the place where the vacuum is applied? I have been playing around with a similar idea for a while, and I will put it to use if we come up with a solid plan. The pump will have to have good seals so that it can withstand heat and the vacuum pressure.

Originally Posted by kushextender
Hi retriculated.

Can you explain your idea in more detail please. Where would the inlet and outlet be on the water recirculating?
Would the water reservoir where the hot water is stored, be the place where the vacuum is applied? I have been playing around with a similar idea for a while, and I will put it to use if we come up with a solid plan. The pump will have to have good seals so that it can withstand heat and the vacuum pressure.

Hey there kushextender!

The main idea is to use a standard submersible pump for providing the water cycling action, and combine with a peristaltic pump to achieve vacuum.
The inlet is simply the top of the cylinder, the same place you would normally connect a pump. The outlet should be at the bottom of the cylinder, so that water must flow the entire length before being heated again.
You can think of it as two systems:

Water Cycling:
Cylinder Inlet > Cylinder > Cylinder Outlet > Heating Reservoir > Submersible Pump > Cylinder Inlet

Vacuum Provider:
Heating Reservoir <> Peristaltic Pump <> External Reservoir

Intuitively the temperature probe should be as close to the penis as possible, so that any heat loss between the heating reservoir and cylinder is measured and accounted for.
A peristaltic pump allows for very precise control over the water cycling system’s pressure, without needing a complicated sealing system. There isn’t much easily-readable research online for their capabilities to hold a vacuum, however this can be easily tested without building the entire solution. My research leads me to believe that it will hold much more of a vacuum than is necessary for this to be effective.

I expect the challenges here are:

  • Finding a / verifying that the submersible pump can work under vacuum pressure.
  • Vacuum-sealing wires for the submersible pump & heating element.
  • Vacuum-sealing the temperature probe in the cylinder.

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