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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Reticulated
Kyrpa, do you have any thoughts on water pumping with temperature-controlled active water cycling?
What you’ve been saying is that the tissues themselves must reach theraputic ranges for structural weakening to happen. The favourite heating methods for pumpers are either heat pad wraps or infrared lamps, which from experience I’ve had trouble with applying consistently. Measuring temperature is also quite difficult.

I guess my question is more around the idea of - if temperature-controlled water reaches theraputic range, is there anything particular about a uniform vacuum load that could change results here?

I intend on experimenting with modifying a cylinder to accept a temperature probe, as well as an outlet for water to cycle through. The whole system would need to be under vacuum pressure, so I have been researching peristaltic pumps as a potential way to create an “outboard” temperature & vacuum control rig. It seems to me that this could be an economic, low-complexity solution if done right.

You need to run a series of tests having an intraurethral temperature probe for getting the temperature-time function on paper.
Water and skin temperature readings are useless without this infrormation.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I know there’s someone here who wants to try the soundcare plus 3mhz machine. Mines brand new. Retail $800. I’ll let it go for $500.

Hello US Guru,
I read I think all about US, but I´m confused about wich machine use or buy.
My girlfriend have and ultrasound from china for skin treatment, the parameters are:
HIFU Power: 5J/cm2
RF Power: 4J/cm2
RF Role Depth: 3mm
HIFU Role Depth: 4,5mm
Frequency: 3MHz
RF frequency: 2MHz

This device haven´t the possibility to work continuosly, but just 4second after pressing the bottom, so there is a little gap from pressing the buttom, I feel also the penis quiet warm/hot when I use it.
My question is: is this device usefull with this features? Cost around 50USD, or I have to buy another one? In this case wich is the best? US Pro 2000? Or just use this but be more patient with the results?
Thank you so much!
Have a nice gain,
Buddha88

Originally Posted by buddha88
Hello US Guru,
I read I think all about US, but I´m confused about wich machine use or buy.
My girlfriend have and ultrasound from china for skin treatment, the parameters are:
HIFU Power: 5J/cm2
RF Power: 4J/cm2
RF Role Depth: 3mm
HIFU Role Depth: 4,5mm
Frequency: 3MHz
RF frequency: 2MHz

This device haven´t the possibility to work continuosly, but just 4second after pressing the bottom, so there is a little gap from pressing the buttom, I feel also the penis quiet warm/hot when I use it.
My question is: is this device usefull with this features? Cost around 50USD, or I have to buy another one? In this case wich is the best? US Pro 2000? Or just use this but be more patient with the results?
Thank you so much!
Have a nice gain,
Buddha88

Quite a few people have success using the US Pro 2000 second edition. Go with what has been proven to work.


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Originally Posted by Tutt
The general advice is, do not use the US in a direction pointed toward internal organs or testes. It’s really as simple as that.

Since it was never answered, does this basically mean US should never be used at the very base of the shaft then? Because it’s literally impossible to have the device at the base and not be pointing towards either your balls or whatever organ is directly behind the penis inside the body.

Originally Posted by Escando
Since it was never answered, does this basically mean US should never be used at the very base of the shaft then? Because it’s literally impossible to have the device at the base and not be pointing towards either your balls or whatever organ is directly behind the penis inside the body.

I do think these matters have been discussed several times over the course of time with several others on several occasions.
Maybe there was no direct answer addressed to you but that is irrelevant.

It can be used near the base. Didn´t you actually never try to place the transducer sideways at the base? Laterally.
Somehow you seem to be stuck on the idea of only two directions allowed.
What you are saying is simply not like it at all.

Do you understand the concept of ultrasound waves being collimated, traveling in unison forward from the transducer head?
They do not radiate all over the place in every direction.
What makes the thing complicated is the depth of the propagation and the reflection inside the shaft and when hitting the pubic bone.

As a key rule don´t go below pubic bone with 1 MHz.
If you still do it, be sure you have aimed the wavefront and the pubic bone reflections along the shaft not towards the roots.
Working OTL at the base near the pubic bone you have plenty of room to place the transducer correctly.

If your testicles are on the way you simply try to make a room as much as it is possible.
If you can´t figure it out, then don´t do it.

You can also play with the transducer head. Putting the contact surface on the angle the wavefront travels forward along the shaft from the base bouncing from side to side as it goes.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Escando
Since it was never answered, does this basically mean US should never be used at the very base of the shaft then? Because it’s literally impossible to have the device at the base and not be pointing towards either your balls or whatever organ is directly behind the penis inside the body.

Its pretty much common sense. By knowing how deep the 1Mhz wave can go, the answer is self explanatory. Do not point those waves to any sensitive or internal tissue.


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Originally Posted by igigi
It might have some effect, but it seems like you ae not following the scientific method of application of the therapy. Each session is composed by a stress relaxation, followed by US heating with continuous stress relaxation and a period of cool down under tension. This of course while methodically measuring before and after.

During the Cool down I am wondering how much tension should be applied?

For example in my personal routine which is not the advised one to be followed in this thread consists of:

Hanging in the morning for ligament deformation

Then at night, I will I do a pretty simple 2 on 1 off routine consisting of this:

30mins SR in extender no heat
20mins IR light at max heat over BPFSL previous max
10mins cool down no tension at all

Today I experimented and did this:

25mins SR in extender at reduced IR lamp heat
25mins in extender at MAX heat, over BPSFL max (I work up to this at intervals)
10mins cool down, no heat, no tension in extender

What I found after today’s routine is a sort of radiating heat, and my flaccid was pretty long right after, then some pretty light retraction after about 1 hour. I can feel the penis still radiating heat after about 1 hour as well. I think the added heat is doing that, I guess its not used to that extra 30mins of IR?

I have good data as well, just need some guidance here on whether or not I am doing the therapy within the right metrics (albiet not using a US device).

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
It can be used near the base. Didn´t you actually never try to place the transducer sideways at the base? Laterally.

If my dick is stretched out sideways on my leg and I run the device sideways down my dick to the very base, then at that point it’s still going to be pointing into the body, at whatever is inside behind the dick (I’m not entirely sure what is there, a human anatomy expert would be helpful here). It’s simple geometry. The dick comes out of the body in the center, so if we are going to the very base of where it comes out of the body, there’s no way to point a device there and not have it be hitting somewhere on the inside, if we could see the line of a ray that passes through a human body in a straight line. Maybe it is safe to use the device down to the very base of the shaft though, that’s part I would like to figure out exactly

You’ve said “don’t go below the pubic bone” which is confusing to me, the pubic bone starts above the exterior base of the penis. I can’t tell just looking on the outside where the exact “safe point” is. If we are trying to lengthen the penis then of course it would be ideal to lengthen it at every point possible, the penis is already inside the body to start with. Even lengthening those parts “inside” the body and pulling small amounts out slowly is supposedly something possible via stretching. I mean, we know with surgeries that they literally pull part of the inner penis out more. I’m not sure if that is only possible by cutting the suspensory ligament or if “normal” PE can produce this effect too.

Originally Posted by Escando
If my dick is stretched out sideways on my leg and I run the device sideways down my dick to the very base, then at that point it’s still going to be pointing into the body, at whatever is inside behind the dick (I’m not entirely sure what is there, a human anatomy expert would be helpful here). It’s simple geometry. The dick comes out of the body in the center, so if we are going to the very base of where it comes out of the body, there’s no way to point a device there and not have it be hitting somewhere on the inside, if we could see the line of a ray that passes through a human body in a straight line. Maybe it is safe to use the device down to the very base of the shaft though, that’s part I would like to figure out exactly

You’ve said “don’t go below the pubic bone” which is confusing to me, the pubic bone starts above the exterior base of the penis. I can’t tell just looking on the outside where the exact “safe point” is. If we are trying to lengthen the penis then of course it would be ideal to lengthen it at every point possible, the penis is already inside the body to start with. Even lengthening those parts “inside” the body and pulling small amounts out slowly is supposedly something possible via stretching. I mean, we know with surgeries that they literally pull part of the inner penis out more. I’m not sure if that is only possible by cutting the suspensory ligament or if “normal” PE can produce this effect too.

Take a look into anatomy pics. Then palpate the base with your fingers. You can pretty surely feel the bone.
Keep on the distal part of it.
None of ultrasound gainers have had any thoughts of heating below it.

We heat the shaft. The distal part of it. The tunica albuginea and especially the most stiffest parts of it.

We are not after ligament gains at all, we can actually elongate the distal parts of the penis with heat enough.
Move on and stay at the safe side. You make it sound unfamiliarly complicated which it is not.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

There’s a portion of my penis that doesn’t contact my flesh while doing the therapy, and I’ve been trying to just fill up that gap with us gel, but I don’t get as good heating there. I think you guys mentioned making some sort of play-dough type of object to go under the penis?

Hey Kyrpa, you haven’t updated any of your stats lately. How is it hanging? Anyways, keep up the good work. :D


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Originally Posted by UnitedStatesofE
Hey Kyrpa, you haven’t updated any of your stats lately. How is it hanging? Anyways, keep up the good work. :D

I have not done anything else with the unit than enjoying the initial gains.

I am building up a gear for upcoming campaign. Hopefully starting up until end of the year.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Vestedvet
During the Cool down I am wondering how much tension should be applied?

For example in my personal routine which is not the advised one to be followed in this thread consists of:

Hanging in the morning for ligament deformation

Then at night, I will I do a pretty simple 2 on 1 off routine consisting of this:

30mins SR in extender no heat
20mins IR light at max heat over BPFSL previous max
10mins cool down no tension at all

Today I experimented and did this:

25mins SR in extender at reduced IR lamp heat
25mins in extender at MAX heat, over BPSFL max (I work up to this at intervals)
10mins cool down, no heat, no tension in extender

What I found after today’s routine is a sort of radiating heat, and my flaccid was pretty long right after, then some pretty light retraction after about 1 hour. I can feel the penis still radiating heat after about 1 hour as well. I think the added heat is doing that, I guess its not used to that extra 30mins of IR?

I have good data as well, just need some guidance here on whether or not I am doing the therapy within the right metrics (albiet not using a US device).

Not knowing the load level you use, it is recommendable to have extra 20 -25 % tension during the cooldown if using a traditional hanger or springloaded extender.
If you are already using maximal load on your equipment during the max heat phase, I would suggest tuning the load down for having the extra left for the cool down.

If using an actual stress-relaxation-based extender aka static extender, there is no need for extra loading during cooldown.
That is because the stress generated naturally in the penis during cool-down raises up to +25% easily.

The post-heat experience comes from the increased blood flow which stays quite a long time 30 minutes minimum.
As an example, the resting temperature of the penis is approximately 33.5C.
After 30 minutes of ultrasound treatment reaching 42C, the following resting temperature settles to 35-36 C for some time.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Regarding a phantom, I assume I couldn’t just use a ziplock bag filled with water between my penis and my leg?

Could I do something similar but with silicone?

Did anyone ever post a picture or example of a phantom designed for use with a stress relaxation extender?

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