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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by PawnPromotion
I’m interested in getting started with Ultra sound and would really appreciate some wisdom on the differences between the two types of machine that seem to pop up on eBay . There are ones with some kind of station, which tend to be priced over £100 and made in India, and ones which appear to have the interface on the handheld device, with no station. Not only are these cheaper (seen one for £66), but it looks more user friendly and convenient. Most people I’ve seen on here seem to have gone with the station-based Indian ones. Do the handhelds work just as well?

Ive got the delta machine from India and threw it away, it wasnt working properly at all. I couldnt heat the penis, only the transducer got hot to the point of burning the skin. (and that following all kyrpa recommendations closely)

Originally Posted by eivbisi
That is with just one US 2000 pro 2nd edition?

Yes - just one.


Mar21 - BPFSL: 6.5", BPEL: 6.5", NBPEL: 6", MEG: 5.5"

Jan22 - BPFSL: 8" (cold), BPEL: 7.5", NBPEL: 6.875", MEG: 5.5"

One Day - BPFSL: 9.5", BPEL: 9", NBPEL: 8.5", MEG: 6"

So I have a question, apologies if it’s a dumb one. For 300 dollars I can buy either a used medical grade ultrasound from a buddy that works in physical therapy that meets all the wattage requirements in the thread with a 5cm^2 head, or I can buy two US2000 pros. Which one is recommended?

Got my ultrasound hands free unit with 4 transducers. Which post on here is best to look for settings? I can set duty cycle to 10, 20, 50, or 100%. I can also set the watts or w/cm2. As well as choose the frequency of 1 or 3 mhz.

I don’t know if phantoms used for imaging would be the ones to be used for heating, but in any case they seem to have analyzed different materials.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/ … 30156292100380X

“Conclusions

In this study, a detailed analysis of tissue-mimicking phantom materials compatible for ultrasound perfusion imaging was performed based on experimental characterization of acoustic properties, long-term observation, as well as carrying out CEUS and power Doppler ultrasound imaging. In addition, the optimal case material for supporting the phantom was determined. We conclude that PAA and TPX are the optimal choice for phantom and case materials, respectively. Based on this choice, a complete perfusion system can be designed that allows for the in-vitro investigation of the relationship between UCA dynamics and the microvascular structure.”

I think you guys will like the phantom I made. It had 8 thermocouple casted into the surface so that I have 8 different temperature readings for better accuracy and if one or two go bad.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Not knowing the load level you use, it is recommendable to have extra 20 -25 % tension during the cooldown if using a traditional hanger or springloaded extender.
If you are already using maximal load on your equipment during the max heat phase, I would suggest tuning the load down for having the extra left for the cool down.

If using an actual stress-relaxation-based extender aka static extender, there is no need for extra loading during cooldown.
That is because the stress generated naturally in the penis during cool-down raises up to +25% easily.

The post-heat experience comes from the increased blood flow which stays quite a long time 30 minutes minimum.
As an example, the resting temperature of the penis is approximately 33.5C.
After 30 minutes of ultrasound treatment reaching 42C, the following resting temperature settles to 35-36 C for some time.

Thank you for your insight.

So what I do now is very similar to the last routine I posted, now I just remain in the max extended cool down state. I am using a Size Genetics extender with a vaccum cup for the glans.

I increase tension 3mins at a time under max heat in the infrared light. I am at about 2 bars of tension which is 1200 grams of tension or 2.64lbs of tension.

I have been able to slowly increase my BPFSL under the heat, and now I am trying to remain extended in cool down, however it does get intense (uncomfortable) and I worry about turtling after the session. Is it normal to turtle at times?

Originally Posted by Vestedvet
Thank you for your insight.

So what I do now is very similar to the last routine I posted, now I just remain in the max extended cool down state. I am using a Size Genetics extender with a vaccum cup for the glans.

I increase tension 3mins at a time under max heat in the infrared light. I am at about 2 bars of tension which is 1200 grams of tension or 2.64lbs of tension.

I have been able to slowly increase my BPFSL under the heat, and now I am trying to remain extended in cool down, however it does get intense (uncomfortable) and I worry about turtling after the session. Is it normal to turtle at times?

It is common with conventional methods and may need some adjustments to avoid it.

With ultrasound, however, most of the common overuse symptoms stay away completely because the temperature has been high enough to allow the tissue to elongate without forcing it in any way.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Vestedvet
Thank you for your insight.

So what I do now is very similar to the last routine I posted, now I just remain in the max extended cool down state. I am using a Size Genetics extender with a vaccum cup for the glans.

I increase tension 3mins at a time under max heat in the infrared light. I am at about 2 bars of tension which is 1200 grams of tension or 2.64lbs of tension.

I have been able to slowly increase my BPFSL under the heat, and now I am trying to remain extended in cool down, however it does get intense (uncomfortable) and I worry about turtling after the session. Is it normal to turtle at times?

Make sure the IR lamp is providing you the necessary temperature inside the tissues.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Got it. Thank you both to Kypra and Igigi for your replies.

I actually do have a US pro, and a phantom gel for the stomach, what I used to do was lay back in the set up I have and apply the US pro to the posterior side of the penis (the underside), however I was not doing the routine I am doing now.

The reason I am doing it this way is purely for comfort reasons, pretty easy to strap in and let the dorsal side of the shaft get heated by the IR lamp. However, I am thinking to go back to US pro now with the knowledge gained reading this thread, PLUS the increase in BPFSL I have experienced.

I may continue for a bit more, before going to US pro, as it seems its working to increase the BPFSL.

Routine is 2 on 1 off.

Originally Posted by igigi
Make sure the IR lamp is providing you the necessary temperature inside the tissues.

How can I do this properly?

Without inserting something into the urethra.

Originally Posted by Vestedvet
How can I do this properly?

Without inserting something into the urethra.

Apply a thermocouple between the leg and the septum. The main target of all this whole “arm” of PE, is the septum. That has been the target all along. I believe sometimes new people reading about this and starting on this, forget the objective. The target here is not your penis as a whole, is not the tunica, is not the CC’s, is not the CS, is specifically, the septum. That has been the limiting factor, that has been the genesis of the application of the US technology.

Therefore, I could care less about the temperature in your urethra, the most important temperature is the one reaching the septum. And as you stretch the penis, the place were you feel the septum the most clear is on the dorsal side. Now, of course, it is not the same measuring temperature outside of the penis on top of the septum, as being inside the penis next to the septum. However, that can be replicated when the the septum is laying over the leg. That space right there will be very similar as the internal temperature next to the septum.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Question

Hi everybody,

After reading the post I´m confused on one important thing:

If I put my mate over the leg wich part I have to put over the leg? The part with dorsal vein or the other where is the urethra?

Thank you guys

Originally Posted by igigi
Apply a thermocouple between the leg and the septum. The main target of all this whole “arm” of PE, is the septum. That has been the target all along. I believe sometimes new people reading about this and starting on this, forget the objective. The target here is not your penis as a whole, is not the tunica, is not the CC’s, is not the CS, is specifically, the septum. That has been the limiting factor, that has been the genesis of the application of the US technology.

Therefore, I could care less about the temperature in your urethra, the most important temperature is the one reaching the septum. And as you stretch the penis, the place were you feel the septum the most clear is on the dorsal side. Now, of course, it is not the same measuring temperature outside of the penis on top of the septum, as being inside the penis next to the septum. However, that can be replicated when the the septum is laying over the leg. That space right there will be very similar as the internal temperature next to the septum.

Okay Igigi ,

You did reply to me also on your thread about the same question,

The thing that worries me again is that you’re measuring the temperature around the septum but you’re applying the US on ventral side of penis ( CS, then urethra and the comes the septum, or maybe I don’t have a clear picture of the anatomy) .
So when you’re applying heat ventraly and you reach therapeutic heat between your tight and the septum , aren’t CS and urethra and other tissues being treated with a higher temperature than the one you want (40 to 43 celsius) maybe getting to the dangerous 45 degrees.

?

Maybe I have to buy a thermometer also to control the temperature between leg-septum.

Until now I started to do a routine like this:

Vacuum hang from 250gr to 1kg, increasing by 250gr, 20min total.

Putting my penis on the left leg with the dorsal vein on the leg and starting using the US pro 2000 at high level and every 3minuts increasing the weight until 3kg (my flaccid circumference is around 10,5-11cm) and when I reach 3kg I do under US 10min. I’ m using the US slowly up and down the shaft on the right and left side the shaft directing the waves on the septum. Like elongated oval, a 0. After the US 10min I do the cooldown with 3.3kg for another 10min.

I have to do something different? I was exited by the US that arrive so I train 4days in a row, now 2days rest, and after I start doing maybe 2day train and 1day rest.

Thanks

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