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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by fdersby8
It is not an estimation, it is based on scientifics studies. Check all the studies he has posted across many posts.

I think you should read all the posts and the two studies. It is a estimation. Do you not realize all the points where estimation is used?

Originally Posted by fdersby8
While flaccid being streched. Just pull your dick and take the smallest circumference(behind the glans) and apply it to the calculator.


Oh that’s actually substantially less then, thanks.

Another question. Do you guys use any device to keep it slightly stretched for longer periods? I mean besides the regular heating session.

Is it not needed?

Originally Posted by fdersby8

While flaccid being streched. Just pull your dick and take the smallest circumference(behind the glans) and apply it to the calculator.

I think it is only flaccid not stretched.


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

Has anybody has used a Ziploc bag filled with US gel as the phantom, and if so, how did it work? I see people talking about how the gel is messy, and I’d like to keep my leg as clean as possible.

Hey all, I got the 3mHz machine from

https://dupuytr ens-contracture … ntracture-hand/

but can’t find the power ratings anywhere. Anyone know where to find it? I’ve looked through the literature included and it just says “low” and “high” power levels. The head works (boils water quickly) but I tried stretching over the bathroom sink and didn’t seem to get any heat at all (gel between dick and sink top as well as between US head and dick).

I had tried it once before OTL, and did feel the heat, am I totally off base trying the sink? I guess maybe a gel heading pad could work under it? If nobody knows, I’ll be trying it tomorrow or tonight and post.

Thanks,

Mike

Question for anyone using Soundcare Plus machine. Is there a way to enter custom settings instead of the 10 pre-programmed settings? Can’t find anything in the user manual or online. If you are using pre-programmed setting, which one(s)?


Starting: (3/1/20) BPFSL 6.75" NBPEL 6.5" MSEG 4.9"

Now: BPFSL 7.5" NBPEL 7.0" MSEG 5.0"

Goal 8" NBPEL 6" MSEG

Originally Posted by Willis99
I’m pretty sure that I’m not doing anything ground breaking so I doubt that :)

How long a decon is recommended these days - I’ve ready anywhere between 3 weeks and 3 months or more. I’ve been doing extending or hanging with fir pad plus this for nearly a year with only a few decons of not more than three weeks. Don’t want to get greedy and risk the future gains…

Rather than following the guidance of others, it is helpful to understand what a decon actually is. After repeated strain, the collagen structures that comprise the TA orient longitudinally to the strain and become more dense, more inelastic, and ultimately slightly thicker. At high strain rates, low temperatures, and high loads these responses begin to occur rapidly at about 10-14 days into a repeated series of strains.

Your body doesn’t typically choose to eliminate healthy living cells. In the absence of necrosis the healthy process of cell turnover is apoptosis. Different types of cells have a different programmed life cycle. Skin and muscle is very fast so you can build and lose muscle very rapidly. Unfortunately for us, collagen structures cycle VERY slowly. A decon is essentially the process of waiting for the tissue to cycle, resulting in layers of new and disorganized fibers that are softer and more elastic and susceptible to strain at lower loads.

It is reasonable to assume that it takes at least 6 months for about 70-80% of the cells in your TA to cycle. And you don’t want them cycling under strain as the new cells inherit the strain-induced orientation. So if you want a true decon, it would need to be at least that long. OTOH, the existing tissue does begin to soften several weeks after completely eliminating any strain. Which is why you hear people returning to PE 6-12 weeks into decon and seeing some results again. For these people, it is unavoidable that the stiffening and toughening response will occur even more rapidly upon returning as the fibers have mostly just changed in modulus but have remained longitudinally oriented. Ultimately, these people will have to eventually take at least a 6 month decon (maybe 9-12 month) as they will hit an unavoidable plateau.

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Okay Igigi ,

You did reply to me also on your thread about the same question,

The thing that worries me again is that you’re measuring the temperature around the septum but you’re applying the US on ventral side of penis ( CS, then urethra and the comes the septum, or maybe I don’t have a clear picture of the anatomy) .
So when you’re applying heat ventraly and you reach therapeutic heat between your tight and the septum , aren’t CS and urethra and other tissues being treated with a higher temperature than the one you want (40 to 43 celsius) maybe getting to the dangerous 45 degrees.

?

If you are reaching >45C at any tissue level you will know it. It will start to be painful. Without using temp probes at all, it is relatively easy to reach and maintain target temps. You are going for uncomfortably warm but not painful. 41C is warm but fairly comfortable long term. 42C feels hot but is bearable. 43C is hot and uncomfortable and your body wants to remove the heat source, but you can talk yourself into dealing with it for several minutes. 44C is hot enough that if you force yourself to bear it, you will likely start to sweat and your heart rate will increase. 45C is painful and you’ll want to pull away. It’s your body telling you that cells will die with any prolonged exposure.

Your body is very finely tuned to provide pain response at the dangerous levels. The one caveat is that your penis shaft skin has relatively few pain receptors. Test it for yourself. Pinch your inner thigh and then pinch your penis shaft skin. The shaft skin has very little sensation. All the nerves are in the head. So pay attention and use prudence.


Last edited by Tutt : 02-27-2022 at .

Originally Posted by Tutt
If you are reaching >45C at any tissue level you will know it. It will start to be painful. Without using temp probes at all, it is relatively easy to reach and maintain target temps. You are going for uncomfortably warm but not painful. 41C is warm but fairly comfortable long term. 42C feels hot but is bearable. 43C is hot and uncomfortable and your body wants to remove the heat source, but you can talk yourself into dealing with it for several minutes. 44C is hot enough that if you force yourself to bear it, you will likely start to sweat and your heart rate will increase. 45C is painful and you’ll want to pull away. It’s your body telling you that cells will die with any prolonged exposure.

Your body is very finely tuned to provide pain response at the dangerous levels. The one caveat is that your penis shaft skin has relatively few pain receptors. Test it for yourself. Pinch your inner thigh and then pinch your penis shaft skin. The shaft skin has very little sensation. All the nerves are in the head. So pay attention and use prudence.

Those scales you use are nowhere to be found. Do you know a similar one with a constant weight function?

Originally Posted by Tutt

It is reasonable to assume that it takes at least 6 months for about 70-80% of the cells in your TA to cycle. And you don’t want them cycling under strain as the new cells inherit the strain-induced orientation. So if you want a true decon, it would need to be at least that long. OTOH, the existing tissue does begin to soften several weeks after completely eliminating any strain. Which is why you hear people returning to PE 6-12 weeks into decon and seeing some results again. For these people, it is unavoidable that the stiffening and toughening response will occur even more rapidly upon returning as the fibers have mostly just changed in modulus but have remained longitudinally oriented. Ultimately, these people will have to eventually take at least a 6 month decon (maybe 9-12 month) as they will hit an unavoidable plateau.

After 4 periods, my gain rate is quite slow. I gained 8mm BPFSL in 39 days. If I now decon for 6 months instead of 3, do you expect my gains rate to also get up again?


[before PE] Start BPFSL: 17.6cm (6.93 inches) start BPEL: 16.7cm (6.57 inches)

[decon until 21.08.22] latest BFPSL: 21,2cm (8,35 inches) latest BPEL: 19,1cm (7,52 inches)

Click here to see my amazing US progress report (always updated!Kyrpa's methodology) ;-)

Or phrased differently, how should I structure my training and decon time optimally? I believe the 6 month decon is mandatory in my current position. But after that, how should I continue? 45 days max of training and then 2 months of decon? Or 3? And then after 2-3 cycles, do 6 months again? Or maybe even 9 then. It would be tremendously appreciated if you could shed some light on what would be advisable to maximize long-time gains rate.


[before PE] Start BPFSL: 17.6cm (6.93 inches) start BPEL: 16.7cm (6.57 inches)

[decon until 21.08.22] latest BFPSL: 21,2cm (8,35 inches) latest BPEL: 19,1cm (7,52 inches)

Click here to see my amazing US progress report (always updated!Kyrpa's methodology) ;-)

Originally Posted by CBateman
After 4 periods, my gain rate is quite slow. I gained 8mm BPFSL in 39 days. If I now decon for 6 months instead of 3, do you expect my gains rate to also get up again?

First off, what do you mean by decon? My baseline assumption during decon is that there are frequent natural erections, but no exogenous tissue stress.

We haven’t yet figured out a way to continue PE indefinitely without the physiological response of toughening the existing tissues. I strongly suspect that it is primarily strain rate that is the primary problem. But anyway we are left with trying to work within the most optimal cycles using the current data. Keep in mind that the tissue responds heavily to tissue stress about 10-21 days into repeated treatment. That is, your body has mechanisms to avoid using precious tissue-building resources responding to random isolated stressors. After about a week of repeated stress, the body assumes the stress will keep repeating and begins to fortify the tissues. This response correlates to the intensity of the stress. Faster, higher load, colder, more damaging stresses create a more rapid and intense physiological response. As the stress continues into weeks 3, 4, 5, etc. the body fully adapts and makes the tissue so tough that it could withstand exponentially higher loading. Absent the stress, the tissue will regain a significant amount of elasticity within 3 months, which means the fibers begin to reorganize, re-crimp, and re-bond. However, the increased tissue density remains much longer.

At this point we get into pure theory in the absence of controlled trials. On the one hand, it might be optimal to perform treatment until short term gains are exhausted and then decon for 3 months until the modulus has changed enough to create elasticity. On the other hand, it might be optimal to cease treatment at about 18-21 days to abort the full physiological response, then take a 3 month decon. Then again, it might be best to perform treatment so infrequently (once every 4-7 days) and optimally (reaching absolutr maximum strain very slowly at perfect temp) that the tissue response simply doesn’t happen.

We simply don’t have the data for this. But there are somethings we do know. The first of those options absolutely creates an adverse tissue response that builds over time. To the point that not even a 3 month decon will work. Depending on the person, the long 6-12 month decon will be required, in order to allow more than 80% of the old tissue cells to cycle.

The last of those could possibly produce the greatest long term results, but require incredible dedication over many years of slow progress. While the second protocol might be the best hybrid of reasonably rapid results with only short bursts of dedication.

But for you currently, I don’t see any way that you can avoid at least a 6 month decon and then another 3 month decon after each intense cycle, the way you are currently doing things.

Originally Posted by Holdion
Those scales you use are nowhere to be found. Do you know a similar one with a constant weight function?

Check this out on Amazon
American Weigh Scales Industrial Precision Digital Hanging Scale, Yellow, 11lb (AMW-SR-5) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003 … 0XXBWPKVBJ1B93K

The constant weight function is a hidden switch in the device.

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Okay Igigi ,

You did reply to me also on your thread about the same question,

The thing that worries me again is that you’re measuring the temperature around the septum but you’re applying the US on ventral side of penis ( CS, then urethra and the comes the septum, or maybe I don’t have a clear picture of the anatomy) .
So when you’re applying heat ventraly and you reach therapeutic heat between your tight and the septum , aren’t CS and urethra and other tissues being treated with a higher temperature than the one you want (40 to 43 celsius) maybe getting to the dangerous 45 degrees.

?

Apologies, I missed your post, I just saw Tutt’s reply to it.

To answer your concern, no. Because of the depth target of 1Mhz. The reason why I apply the US on the ventral side, is because the target depth of 1Mhz would be around the septum/thigh area. Now if I was applying 3Mhz of frequency, the target would be much superficial and in that case perhaps it would be more efficient to apply the US on the dorsal side.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

I only have 2 inch space between my hanger (which is attached to middle of my shaft) and base of my penis. So how exactly I am going to wrap FIR around in that 2 inch space?

Is there a picture or video of how to apply this heat method on our penis during hanging? That would be very helpful. Thank you.

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