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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Benmush

I need to understand something.

Is this method only good for people who developed a steel cord? How about the once who always had the steel cord and never gained anything? I wonder is there are people here who tried the method and gained but before never gained anything due to having a steel cord from the get go?

This method is for everybody. But it is probably not a bad thing to have some experience from PE befor using US.


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

Originally Posted by Growing4it
Hey guy’s thanks for keeping the thread going. I have not been doing any US therapy work for a couple years. I am planning on starting ultra sound again this spring. In the past I found for myself 1 on 2 off was what worked best for myself. I was 56 at the time and my gains would slow quickly after 20 work days in a 60 day cycle. This go around I may try 1 on 3 off and see if gains continue over a longer period of time.

Did you get BPEL or girth gains the last time, and did they last for last?

What about clamping should i clamp and use the device while clamped? I mainly want girth

Originally Posted by igigi
My friend, your feedback and experience just proves what we have all been seeing.

In my own experience I found out, and now more than ever before, that girth comes by itself once you start filling up the gap between BPFSL and BPEL. If your BPFSL > BPEL, you will hardly gain girth, but you will not have a hard time adding length. On the other hand, if exercising for length is extremely difficult, and your BPFSL = BPEL, your girth will come up easy.

Based on this, is that I am personally focused strictly on length. My girth grew extremely fast a few years ago when I went back to PE, unable to grow length (BPFSL = BPEL) but girth skyrocketed.

So the news is, if you focus on length and close that gap, then your girth will grow.

Hey bro i have been struggling 3 years no gains, i want girth and have passed from forum to forum and routine to routine im doing soft clamping currently 4 sets of 10 mins, and recently bought an US device but i dont know if apply while bundled stretched or while clamped

For those who have done this for extended periods of time, tried various ways, etc.

Most of you are doing 2 on 1 off?

How about every other day?

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
For those who have done this for extended periods of time, tried various ways, etc.

Most of you are doing 2 on 1 off?

How about every other day?

Try it an report back. I believe most of us are in experimental mode with the time. I saw more efficiency by doing eod, or 2 on 2 off at most.

However, one thing to add. Because I have huge respect to to Kyrpa for his contributions, his protocol of 3 on 2 off was based on a scientific approach with all the necessary data to come down to this conclusion. Therefore, it would be irresponsible for me to try a variation and say out of my ass “this is better” just because I say so without any empirical evidence.

All I can say is that my strain was better by doing what I did, When doing 3 on by the second day strain decreased, and by the third day decreased even more. When doing eod or 2 on 2 off the strain stays more constant in progression.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL


Last edited by igigi : 03-18-2022 at .

Originally Posted by igigi
Try it an report back. I believe most of us are in experimental mode with the time. I saw more efficiency by doing eod, or 2 on 2 off at most.

However, one thing to add. Because I have huge respect to to Kyrpa for his contributions, his protocol of 3 on 2 off was based on a scientific approach with all the necessary data to come down to this conclusion. Therefore, it would be irresponsible for me to try a variation and say out of my ass “this is better” just because I say so without any empirical evidence.

All I can say is that my strain was better by doing what I did, When doing 3 on by the second day strain decreased, and by the third day decreased even more. When doing eod or 2 on 2 off the strain stays more constant in progression.

Can i do US while clamped or its dangerous i have been doing 3 years mainly girth focus

Hey Gents,

This is really some amazing work by Kyrpa. I would say however, that it would be nice to have a one page summary on how to use US effectively as quite frankly, having read the first 30 or so pages of this thread, it really is an awful lot to take in.

Some guys here have science and engineering backgrounds, and really like to go into the weeds and get super technical on this.

However, I think the average user on here is just going to skip and space out on the detailed science in the thread, and perhaps injure themselves in the process.

But seeing as we all can benefit from this, why don’t we try and make a nice synopsis of the thread thus far, and make the information more concise and palatable.

For example, I have bought the US machine, and my intention to use it is assist with tunica mailability for better gains. However, as I understand it, this 2HZ US 2000 machine heats tissues too deeply and 3HZ is actually the one we should be using. I see Kypra put his penis on his leg to have the Ultrasound ‘bounce’ back from his thigh.

If this is the case, why then is the US2000 the recommended machine on thread, as this is workaround surely is not optimal?

Additionally, we either are really going to be using this for : Length routines, Girth routines or a combination. Surely we can have some bullet points of best practice for both instead of directing each user who asks something like this, just to simply read the whole thread - as that information is really spread out and rather complex indeed.

So my questions are:

- What settings to put the US2000 on?

- If I am using for a length routine, what is the optimal way to use it?

- If I am using for a girth routine, what is the optimal way to use it?

- Should I feel heat? (I ask this as when I tried using it with my penis on my leg, I felt no heating whatsoever)

- Any major no no’s, apart from pointing at testicles, internal organs etc

- Can this replace a warm up routine?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Patrik_16

This method is for everybody. But it is probably not a bad thing to have some experience from PE befor using US.

This is not answering the question.

I wanted to know if people who never gained due to naturally having a steel cord and tried everything that is on the PE books to gain length and failed, would this method help and work? I haven’t seen any reply from people here with the same problem as me reporting success, that’s why I wonder? Thank you.

Originally Posted by Benmush
This is not answering the question.
I wanted to know if people who never gained due to naturally having a steel cord and tried everything that is on the PE books to gain length and failed, would this method help and work? I haven’t seen any reply from people here with the same problem as me reporting success, that’s why I wonder? Thank you.

The amount of people who have tried this, and properly experimented with it, etc, is quite few.

I tried it, but gave up because it wasn’t convenient and I wasn’t seeing results. But I probably never really did it right, either not giving sufficient heat and stretch, or giving way too much heat.

I did PE of various kinds for 3 years and never felt I had any success until just recently the past couple months with dynamic pumping utilizing a infrared heat pad.

Every human is different, and even if the biology is the same, sometimes psychology (ie, expectations, stress, positive thinking, etc), can be different, such that one person gets good results from one thing, but another gets good results from something else, etc.

Originally Posted by Benmush
I need to understand something.
Is this method only good for people who developed a steel cord? How about the once who always had the steel cord and never gained anything? I wonder is there are people here who tried the method and gained but before never gained anything due to having a steel cord from the get go?

Well, Benmush what you describe is the basis where I started to study and experiment in the first place.
I do genuinely believe that I would have never gained anything without sufficient deep heat, methodological load and strain control, and a lot of rest periods.
In fact, for continuous development, it seems to be even more important to keep away from the PE for long periods once the gaining method has been started efficiently.
And on top of that, I am confident in stating that If a person suffers from such a condition he will never gain length-wise traditionally.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I’ve been doing PE for 4 years but progress slowed after original newbie gains. I started workouts with US 1000 in November 2020 and invested in US 2000 for better effect in August ‘21. US seems to have had a positive effect; on average I do the routine every 3 days as follows: 10 minutes @3 pounds(#) hang SD with IR heat, 30 min @3# US 2000 (med to high) over the thigh, 30 min 3.6# SD for cooling. So in 1.5 years with US I’ve had small gains in BPEL (.26”) and BPFSL (.56”), but average strain is 7.6%, same as when I started … and I would’ve expected strain% to decrease. I still feel the “steel cord”. I’ve read here that if strain is at 1-2%, a decon break of several months is recommended… but since my strain is well above that, at +7%, should I continue with PE & US as before?


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Originally Posted by Trekker
I’ve been doing PE for 4 years but progress slowed after original newbie gains. I started workouts with US 1000 in November 2020 and invested in US 2000 for better effect in August ‘21. US seems to have had a positive effect; on average I do the routine every 3 days as follows: 10 minutes @3 pounds(#) hang SD with IR heat, 30 min @3# US 2000 (med to high) over the thigh, 30 min 3.6# SD for cooling. So in 1.5 years with US I’ve had small gains in BPEL (.26”) and BPFSL (.56”), but average strain is 7.6%, same as when I started … and I would’ve expected strain% to decrease. I still feel the “steel cord”. I’ve read here that if strain is at 1-2%, a decon break of several months is recommended… but since my strain is well above that, at +7%, should I continue with PE & US as before?


I’m also curious on thoughts of your question of larger strain rates.

This post has also reminded me of a couple points on measuring I think may be helpful for others on this journey.

-which units are you measuring with (inches or cm/mm)? Most guys are measuring metric units for the increased accuracy. One inch is 2.54 cm which is also equal to 25.4 mm.

-strain calculation is (postBPFSL-preBPFSL)/preBPFSL. Or in words it is the change in length from the session divided by starting length.

-small amounts of measurement inaccuracy can have a large impact on the strain calculation, so measuring with consistency is important. Use the same ruler at the same measurement spot pressing in with the same pressure while stretching with the same grip and same pull.

I have learned from my PE journey that I cant measure accurately first thing in the morning. My penis is very tight then and when I took a bpfsl it was always less than I expected. If I wait a couple of hours or more everything is more normal. So if measuring bpfsl was important to my session I would not start it first thing in the morning.

I have also realized when I measure bpfsl (pulling penis while pressing ruler) my ruler would sometimes slide off my pubic area just a little which would give me some extra length, so have learned to re check ruler position while measuring.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by 32quarters

I’m also curious on thoughts of your question of larger strain rates.

This post has also reminded me of a couple points on measuring I think may be helpful for others on this journey.

1-which units are you measuring with (inches or cm/mm)? Most guys are measuring metric units for the increased accuracy. One inch is 2.54 cm which is also equal to 25.4 mm.

2-strain calculation is (postBPFSL-preBPFSL)/preBPFSL. Or in words it is the change in length from the session divided by starting length.

3-small amounts of measurement inaccuracy can have a large impact on the strain calculation, so measuring with consistency is important. Use the same ruler at the same measurement spot pressing in with the same pressure while stretching with the same grip and same pull.

4-I have learned from my PE journey that I cant measure accurately first thing in the morning. My penis is very tight then and when I took a bpfsl it was always less than I expected. If I wait a couple of hours or more everything is more normal. So if measuring bpfsl was important to my session I would not start it first thing in the morning.

5-I have also realized when I measure bpfsl (pulling penis while pressing ruler) my ruler would sometimes slide off my pubic area just a little which would give me some extra length, so have learned to re check ruler position while measuring.

1: I’m using metric, but I post stats here in inches.

2: Got it.

3: Yes

4: Right

5: Yes

Thanks for your reply, 32. I have everything pretty much in line with your suggestions for best practice … My length increase is slow, but in general I see an increase. But strain % — while it varies according to time of day, PE exercise, or amount of weight or tension — has stayed well above 1 to 2% — it’s more like 5 or 6% and has not decreased. Do I need a decon, or would you suggest just staying with it? Thoughts from others?


Stone phallus totem in Formosa Aboriginal Cultural Village

Closing the loop on strain discussion, longerstretch covers it here in post #6:

longerstretch - The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

I want to note that I had read this info previously but I think this reinforces the value of re reading important information. First read through was a familiarization exercise, but second read was very helpful as I had some experience in the process and theory to apply it to.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.


Last edited by 32quarters : 03-31-2022 at .
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