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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Golddinger
Hey man, glad to have you chiming in, we need more anecdotes from long timers like yourself!

What you said here may be the exact reason for your plateau. Have you had an extended deacon break?
After speaking with Tutt on the topic of the necessity of allowing the tunica’s collagen fibers to reorient themselves, I decided I was about 10 years overdue for a decon break. This is back in May. I hadn’t seen gains, particularly girth gains, in most of my 12 years of PE. Extremely negligible. And at some point I had stopped seeing red spots, no matter how hard I hit it, which, take for what you will, have always seemed to accompany good sessions for me. I kept hitting it, harder and harder, with absolute dedication. Months of intensive logging, thousands and thousands and thousands of jelqs, ulis, stretching, pumping. And all I noticed was that the tissues seemed less and less pliable. It honestly felt fibrous. Which more or less is what you get from attacking the tunica without decon for years and years.

Anyway, I’m rambling, but long story short, I took a two month decon break (which is admittedly less than the 8 months that Tutt recommended to me) and in that time, I saw better flaccid hang than I’d seen in years, better EQ avery quickly, and the near total disappearance of a spongiosum injury that had been plaguing me for longer than I could remember. And when coming back to PE after those 2 months, I could feel the pliability, the tissue expansion, and penile health in ways that had been missing for most of the last 10 years. I just want to add purely anecdotal emphasis to the perspective that Tutt and many others have said throughout the forum: decon is non-negotiable for PE.

The thought of taking 2 months off was honestly terrifying to me. It felt like I would be turning away from months of gains. I now believe this is one of the more nefarious illusions we’re bound to experience with PE, because I had been turning away from years of possible gains by avoiding a decon break that I probably should have taken in 2011. I wasted years and years and a horrifying amount of time trying to persist through exercises without taking a break.

Which is not to say that this is conclusive evidence or a magic bullet, since I may still see negligible gains going forward. Maybe I’m one of those whose bodies simply will not respond to PE. But I’m not finding that to be true, overall. I will try to get better data going forward to lend more credence to the decon-centric theory. In the meantime, for those who get anxious at the thought of taking a break, I highly recommend surrendering to a vacation from PE.

Thanx! Good info.

I invested in the Soundcare plus machine. It seams to work a lot better and maintaining heat.

I’m using 3mhz @ 2.0 until things get hot and then reduce to 1.4 to stabilize overall heat.

This regime is working for me:

Extender: 20 mins with heat lamp as warm up and 10 min cool down.

Later: Extender with heat lamp for 8 mins then ultrasound 3mhz @ 2.0 for 4 mins, then 3mhz @1.4 for 4 mins and final 3mhz @1.4 for 4 mins.
This is while increasing tension on extender.

After this heat session: I wrap up fast and start hanging for around 15 + mins. I’m advanced, so I start at 30lbs for 2mins, then add 10lbs for 2mins, then add 5lbs for 2 mins, then add another 5lbs for 4-6 mins. Depends on weight tolerance. Then I start backing down on weights, ending at 40lbs, till I hit the 15 min mark. I usually do a 1 minute real hard hand pull and hold stretch.

Later in day, a few hours later, I repeat the same process with ultrasound and weight hanging.

I usually wait the next few hours and do a final weight hang, with same above lbs and same time but without ultrasound or heat & I sometimes repeat same session. That’s if I’m not real sore.

Now, I do this regime for two days straight. On the second day, I have to reduce weights to make it bearable, because of soreness.

I take a 3 day break then go with above weight hanging session, no heat at all. I do this two times on 3rd day. It feels like I have strands breaking in there. I think it’s the fibers breaking as they are being healed.

For these 3 days, I usually pump my balls.

I then wait two days and begin process all over again, starting with heat again.

My total gains have been 1/2 inch from previous hanging, that I have gained back from my past road block, I have new gains of a 1/2 inch. So I’m up an inch total and happy.

I’m curious if I’ll reach more length towards my stretched length on a long break.

My plans are to take a deacon break till next April.

Remember, it took years to build up to these weights and I’ve been real cautious hanging after a good heat session. It takes less weight hanging after the heats been applied.

Curious How The Rice Sock Is Included?

Originally Posted by igigi
It does work. Kyrpa made all his gains using a 1 Mhz machine, assisted with rice sock to keep the temperature up. Now If I was you, I would use the exact same model he has, the US 2000 Pro. I am not saying that the US 1000 will not work, is just that in order to replicate his results, I would use the same model he has.

I am personally still trying to find a good cost effective 3 Mhz, mostly because at 3 Mhz seems to make things more reliable as far as heating. The most reliable one as of now is the one Manko bought but is $800.

If you drape your own is over the leg and are using US on the other side, how would one incorporate the rice sock?

Infra Red Pad

I’m not American, so it wasn’t so clear that the infra red pad effect can bring benefits to earnings too, could someone help me with this question or point me to some posts here on the forum?

Originally Posted by Nftt
I’m not American, so it wasn’t so clear that the infra red pad effect can bring benefits to earnings too, could someone help me with this question or point me to some posts here on the forum?

Use the search function for “fir pad”


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by 32quarters
Use the search function for “fir pad”

Thx 32!!!

Originally Posted by Tutt
Did you have it set on 1mHz only or cycling between 1 & 3? Do you use the gel pads?

I use it at the 1MHZ setting and 2.1W/cm2. That is the highest it goes. It takes 20 minutes or so to get to 38-39c. The 3mhz setting I believe is even less power on max. I can’t check now as I’m using it at the 1mhz and 2.1w/cm2 setting.

The study mentioned in the first post in this thread is not so black and white as portrayed. A previous study just done on tendons did show that heat then stretch then while stretched use ice to cool down gave the best long term result. In the shoulder study (hardy et al) heat did perform slightly better than heat then ice, but they did put forward a possible reason why this might be the case:

“We postulate that a
reflexive decrease in
muscle tone,
associated with the
application of heat,
may have also been a
contributing factor to
the changes in
flexibility seen in this
study. “

It’s an interesting study - https://sci-hub .se/10.2519/jos … t.1992.16.5.200

Not sure if superficial heat reducing afferent spindle activity is applicable to the penis though, being smooth muscle.


Starting Stats - 5.5 BPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 BPEL x 6.5 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Originally Posted by kushextender
I use it at the 1MHZ setting and 2.1W/cm2. That is the highest it goes. It takes 20 minutes or so to get to 38-39c. The 3mhz setting I believe is even less power on max. I can’t check now as I’m using it at the 1mhz and 2.1w/cm2 setting.

The 3mHz is lower wattage because the frequency is higher. Energy is directly proportional to frequency. You would cook your penis if you applied 2W/cm2 @ 3mHz.

Theoretically, 3mHz is absorbed more superficially than 1mHz, although in practice and throughout the literature there are many examples showing that 1mHz actually travels too easily through such thin layers as the penis. I’ve always suggested that 2mHz seems ideal in theory, but it isn’t widely available commercially except in RF. I suspect that many here don’t like to use 3mHz because they use thermal probes located at the surface opposite the US applicator. That surface is better heated by 1mHz, but many would argue that the septum is better heated at 3mHz.

There are 90 pages, so I’m sure it’s been answered, but is there a major difference in FIR vs a traditional heating pad? Also, is numbness under heat ok?

Originally Posted by tootiny
There are 90 pages, so I’m sure it’s been answered, but is there a major difference in FIR vs a traditional heating pad? Also, is numbness under heat ok?

How many of those 90 pages have you read through?

Have you used the search function?


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by tootiny
There are 90 pages, so I’m sure it’s been answered, but is there a major difference in FIR vs a traditional heating pad? Also, is numbness under heat ok?

There is an entire thread on this ….
U.S. vs FIR pad discussion


BPEL: 5.5" --> 7.9" ; BPFSL: ~5.6" --> 8.5"

Progress log summary: Hanging with FIRe

"Going hard, fast and heavy is all against the scientific knowledge of tissue expansion or elongation." - Kyrpa

Originally Posted by 32quarters
How many of those 90 pages have you read through?

Have you used the search function?

The first 10 or so. And I did search both prior to and after posting. Specifically for all things related to numbness and heat. And unfortunately the search function doesn’t yield the greatest results. If no one has an immediate response, that’s fine.

I do appreciate the link from 5.5 though. That was helpful.

Originally Posted by alpinedel
Contraindications if using above 45ºC (as it causes cell apoptosis), but with the US PRO it will shutdown before you reach that temp, once 42ºc on the transducer head it shutdowns, plain and simple.

Besides why noone FOllows what kyrpa and manko007 did? Urethral temp/ dorsal k type measurements?? The only three things that work are IR LAMP(cbateman), ultrasound(kyrpa, igigi) and RF(tutt). The rest is just an approach for stiffening. But we can all believe in 12” dreamland.

Literally using a thermal pad is against what KYRPA and TUTT explained (its inside this thread explained why its useless), please don’t come and argue that this is better, that is better, yadayadayada. They shared collective scientific papers and logged everything.

But but but, I believe hanging is better and I am going to stretch my penis with 50kg like BIB did. Then the asians that hang giant rocks down their penis should be 12” already.

@igigi;

- Could you comment on this please?
- Did you lose your member?
- Are you impotent now?
- what happened when you erect stretch your penis in the past prior to using ultrasound?
- What happened when you hanged your penis with super heavy weights?

Stop making this thread more confusing using thermal pads and whatnot, stick to what they collective shared, simply read 3 pages per day and will find all the knowledge needed.

Lol did not see this post before.

- My comment, well I agree. Why try something different from what has been proven already? If it ain’t broken, why fix it. The literature is there posted by Kyrpa, manko, tutt and others. They have tracked and logged results. Why not replicate what they have done instead of trying voodoo methods.

- No, I did not lose my member.

- I am not impotent.

- Erect stretching in the past grew my dick but toughened my septum.

- Same when hanging heavy weights, once the tunica matches the length of the septum, that septum does not give up. It rather becomes tougher and tougher to sustain the amount of tension becoming the ultimate limiting factor. And I repeat once again, many people have told throughput the years that they have a “special routine” for the septum. hat has been bullshit. Nobody has, nobody has proof. The only thing that allowed me to once again grow my septum is Ultrasound. Nothing worked before, and I tried all methods for a decade.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

How often to use US heat?

I have the US Pro 2000 and use it with an ADS device, but because I have a ADS device I have to remove the device for 10-30 to get circulation back into my penis, my sessions usually last about 2 hours with a rest. I’m only doing it once a day for 2hrs with 4000g springs. So if I want to do multiple sessions in a day do I have to heat my penis each time and if so, is that safe?

Hey guys,

I could use a little guidance here.

So I am using a totalman extender to create the stress during US protocol, and I have a phantom gel pad.

Basically here is how my routine is looking, I extend upwards towards my naval.

25mins SR, 25mins US pro 2000, 10mins cooldown.

Everything seems to be fine, I increase tension every 3mins, and get up to about .5 inches over my BPEL. I just restarted the routine this week, and completed my 3rd session today.

Everything goes well up until the cooldown, that’s when it gets quite intense or uncomfortable, and upon removing the extender, the penis is not much longer than when I started, its fatigued, and sometimes turtled.

Any advice, or is this normal?

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