Finding xeno: a penis tale

how did you get most of your girth gains? air pumping or clamping?

Read the thread, fightclub, it’s worth it.

Thanks BD. It has gotten ridiculously easy. May stop any time.

For those keeping track, the first 1.5” of EL came in 12 months, the second 1.5” of EL, assuming I achieve that this year by gaining another 0.125”, will have taken 12 years. That’s about 1” of EL per decade for post-newbie EL gains…and I’m an easy gainer.

Just a little perspective.

xeno

Congrats Xeno,

Justified rewards for dedicated and focused work.

Regards
R

Thanks R.; nice to see you drop by. Hope all’s going well with your TT and TTr; would enjoy feedback on them either way.

BTW, forgot to mention that BPELIT (BPEL in tube) is also 10.00”…that’s at max vacuum (~24” Hg) at the end of my last couple of I-phase sessions.

The Ninja IPR Protocol, basically TT/TTr work followed by high vacuum/short duration pumping is the most effective…and efficient…PE method that I’ve used…and by a significant margin. In my implementation, it is much like an intense martial arts training session; lots of exertion, lots of sweat, lots of pain tolerance…the pre-session cannabis helps a lot with this…it’s not easy to methodically, purposefully impose trauma to the entirety of one’s penis. It takes a lot of mental exertion to execute the physical exertion correctly; where correctly means effectively. Cannabis helps me with the mental exertion part too, but I’ve been using cannabis in mental exercises such as SKF and MCO manipulation as well as vipassana meditation for decades. It may not be as helpful to others who don’t have as extensive a cultivation of their endocannabinoid system. Indeed, it could raise the risk to such persons from the exercises. Just information.

I think I’m getting near to the end of my PE journey. When I demonstrate a solid 9.5” BPEL x 7.00” EG(ms), my current plan is to hang up my Tiger Trap…that’ll be a 3.00” EL x 2.00” EG gain…seems like a good place to stop.

xeno

That is admirable and sensible.

I’m unsure where I will stop. But…you mentioning it makes me think. And with gains like yours, there’s no shame in stopping. Your starting stats and mine are similar. And for a while, when I peaked at 9.25x6.25” I thought I was done.

I’m rambling. I’m just in awe, at your time and devotion. At your absolutely incredible girth. And it brings me to the idea that my PE journey ought have an end point.

I appreciate your words today, more than usual, xeno.

Thanks for letting me know that TG. You’re a heck of a good guy and a tremendous resource here; thanks for that too.

Truth be told, the amount of preparation required for penetration is taking longer and although just a hint of it yet…more work-like and less play-like…as they say, “There’s your sign.”

xeno

I really appreciate that, xeno. I just try to give all I have and I know to the community. I want to be able to offer something solid for newbies and veterans alike, even if it’s just a bit of empathy in some cases.

I’ll say, given your girth, you’re pretty lucky that vaginal tearing is not a frequent visitor. Though, your wife is also subject to growing along with you so you’ve given her an edge on withstanding the size you’ve created by gradually getting bigger during the relationship. I mean if I had to guess, anatomically and mathematically, the odds are if you and her met today instead of years ago that she would have an incredible amount of trouble now. Compared to a minimal but consistently growing level of difficulty.

I’ve weighed it so heavily myself. Girth tends around 6.25” which is right where “I use lube every time” starts as far as I’m concerned. I look at you, Titleist and Houstonwoods and the girth idea is so tempting, so rewarding looking. But when I imagine another .25-.75” of girth…I imagine so much more difficulty. Which is fun on some level, honestly. But…less and less practical, the further down the road we go. Scales are tilting but are we paying attention? *shrugs*

If not for my hanging project I’d be still working the multiple clamps and finishing my TT. Actually, I have a wild idea to finish my TT and use it to warm up for a couple minutes prior to hanging but it is a high risk idea that relies on the tenderizing of the tunica to get gains jumpstarted for a session. Your thoughts on this?

Also, by the way, you say the Ninja protocol is far more effective than anything else you’ve tried. So, if I may ask, how does the TT stack up against the multiple clamp style you were using? I mean if you had to give a percentage of effectiveness of the TT over the clamps and bends I was doing in my IPR campaigns?

Even wilder: hang weights from your attached TT. Totally unadvisable IMO; particularly given the effectiveness of the TT alone. But I digress: yea, I’m positive that the TT (and the TTr, albeit with a more girth focused effectiveness compared to the TT) loosen up the tunica, so I think your hypothesis of more effective hanging post TT work makes sense. But I think it’s important to reiterate the symbiosis and simpatico-ness of following TT (or TTr) work with a high vacuum pumping; you loosen the tunica then you stretch the loosened tunica…in all directions. With hanging, one would be stretching the tunica in only the longitudinal direction…but I suppose that’s always been the case with hanging. Now I’m rambling :) .

Great question: by definition I’m going to assign a value of 10 to TT/TTr + high vacuum/short duration pumping (essentially the Ninja Protocol minus the multiple clamping/erect bends and stretches work)…guess I’ll call it the Modified Ninja Protocol. Relative to that I’d say that multiple clamping/erect bends and stretches work + high vacuum/short duration pumping is about a 7 or 8; the thing is though, at least in my experience, it’s mentally much easier to achieve the tissue disruption necessary to initiate fibroblast extracellular proliferation that IPR relies upon with a TT (or TTr) than it is with cable clamps. So to some degree, what I’m saying is that, for me, it’s harder to achieve the objective, so I rank it lower than something that makes it easier. Hard to explain that exactly; perhaps to some degree it is so for me due the ease of turning 4 wingnuts compared to cranking down 6, 7, 8 cable clamps. I dunno.

xeno

My original idea was to finish with high pressure pumping for at least one set, getting up to 15HG or higher. I also had the idea of finishing with a long set of lower duration but without the computerized pump (need a Vacutech Pulsar, sold my DP4000) I can’t pull that secondary option off. Manually high pressure pumping post hanging sounds legitimate, though. I’ll pick a tube and continue with that as my hanging routine from day 2, onwards.

Your answer is exactly what I was asking. You rank the clamps lower, because they are less effective for you. In a general sense, it would mean they are less effective than the Tiger Trap, when measured objectively if your theory about tissue disruption holds true. My decision to pursue the TT is not only for its standalone usefulness but because tissue disruption as its own mechanic for growth is largely unexplored and this tool seems to be the safest, compared to any other means I’ve observed in the hardcore PE realm. Plus, I have an idea to modify one that can assist with my curve.

However, that level of inflammation may be detrimental so I’ll only add it in the last week or two that I’m hanging, as I’ll get a very large, almost I-phase level, of TT time in while still hanging. Maintaining good PIs when running this hard is pivotal to avoiding injury or stalling and retarding the gains I do earn.

Glad you’ll give high vacuum/short duration pumping as a “finishing course” a try; I’m really impressed with it as a complement to tunica disruption work. One can gain length this way…easier than I ever have in fact.

BIG important note on this type of pumping: one MUST use glans (silicone big toe) protectors. I use 3 at a time. I place one over glans, then add the “sleeve” protector (a big toe protector with the closed end cut off to make a sleeve) with the top half of the sleeve over the lower portion of the first protector and the bottom half against shaft. The I add the third protector over the first protector and the top of the sleeve. Never had a blister with this setup. Super important for length focused pump work. Which does work.

I’ve tried several brands; these are the best (large, flexible and durable compared to others):

xeno

I started with it on the IPR side, the high vacuum short duration pumping. I just hadn’t directly planned it for hanging also. I had theorized on it, though.

My definition of “high vacuum” is a little lower than yours. I haven’t been past 15HG yet except one foray at 18HG I want to say. At those levels I don’t need a protector. I started with them, though. Some condoms I had laying around to be sure I wouldn’t blister. Though, I will look at your protectors as I will likely look at stepping my pressure up past 15 on a regular basis for hanging purposes. Or trying to.

My theory is that heavier traction for short periods will increase cumulative disruption over time. The 6 weeks for this hanging program should be adequate to see some growth if done properly with the other elements in place. But, it will be the hardest I’ve ever run the PE gamut on purpose. Your advice is welcome, sir. You’re giving me the idea that this theory I’m playing with is worth going with.

You’re super welcome TG; happy to be of service.

One more thing; I like using BPELIT to augment my tracking of EL gains. It generates max EL consistently, even during conditioned times, and marking my cylinder with exacto knife marks makes it easy to see what maximum BPELITs have been. Making a new slice into that acrylic tube is a great feeling.

Happy gaining to you and all.

Cheers!

xeno

Thanks Xeno,

Yes I’m still lurking, working on my technique. Must say I’m enjoying both the TT and TTr. I get the occasional red spot but nothing major. I will try the pumping you suggested and see how I get on. I have some toe protectors so I’m all set to go. I’ve had a small girth increase which was greatly received as it has been a very long time without gains. This is a very effective protocol and I am extremely grateful for your willingness to share it.

R.

Thanks Xeno, I really appreciated the log. Great technical stuff, worth more than one read for sure. I have one question, what is the difference between a TT and a TTF? I appreciate your patience, I used the search bar and read the entire thread. I missed it I guess.