Hanging: Ride the Fatigue (Blink's Progress)

I recently past the first three month of PE and have been into the very same measuring routine as TenaciousD. Besides being in control of the “here and now” stats, that are supposed to have a clear link to the long term progress and eventually cemented gains, I also measure for keeping motivation up. This is a long journey with plenty of time needed and finding a millimeter here and there serves as good boost.

Things I measure:
- Official BPFSL, BPEL and MEG (monthly-ish)
- BPFSL in the morning, before and after exercise (three different metrics)
- Elongation before and after exercise
- Weekly average BPFSL before and after exercise (two different metrics)
- Max BPFSL after exercise (part of the average, but average could still be lower)
- MSEG after exercise
- Length in pump after pumping (at same pressure)

All in all 12 different metrics where at least one tends to jump a mm every second week or so. If (when) those jumps will come less frequent that’s ok too.

dicade — these measures look like good ones to me. But I don’t understand one: what do you mean by "elongation"?

Elongation is the difference between before and after exercise, in percentage. In my case, and many others here, around 2-4%.

Yes, this is a newer idea, I’m going to try it out (seems like a reasonable way to quantify minimal theoretical force to maximize gains). A few others recently mentioned it.

Measuring Progress:
I setup a means to measure myself, I’m going to use centimeters and convert to inches with a spreadsheet (and I plan to chart & graph there too). I am on day 3 of my redux newbie routine (my 2nd time doing the newbie routine, because I’m completely deconditioned after 10 years without PE). I didn’t track my routine well enough my first time around, so I started a thread here to discuss. Measure Progress and when to change routine

Key measures:
BPFSL daily, BPEL / EG less often. Target force 2% to 4% (I caculated 5% yesterday, start vs finish BPFSL, but I wonder if it’s Ok for me, given how much I’m using heat.. I was pretty gentle with my routine too). I’m putting it all in a spreadsheet & may share some graphs later (so I can correlate my routine & level of force applied with results).

I created a slide-ruler for myself (see pictures) and made a PE setup at home in my master bathroom. I bought a separate microwave that sits between a sink and an alcove bathtub (so I can heat my rice socks that I use to warm up/ warm down without my kids asking questions). I setup a small heater which I point at my penis during my manual routines (at all times). It’s making me pour sweat, but I don’t mind. I ended up using 2 folding chairs (once so I can sit sometimes) and the other for the heater (I put a metal basket on top of the chair to get the heater to the perfect height).

Importance of Heat:
Knowing how crucial heat is (I think that’s the key element I was missing 10 years ago that I suspect crippled my gains), I spent a lot of time researching to find a good heater to use while I use an ADS or Hang.
"Far Infrared Heating Brace". It has an 8.66" x 5.33" heating element (with Far Infrared penetrating heat) that should hopefully be ideal. Initially I purchased a cheap heating blanket, but it wasn’t warm enough to be worthile (I hope this is different). Thus, if I use an ADS for 3 hours, that means I have heat wrapped around my unit the entire 3 hours too (I plan to use constant heat). I may also experiment with cooldowns while staying stretched manually or with an ADS (this is mentioned in the "Hanging with FIRe" thread) but I am undecided.
https://www.ama … /dp/B00P7CPKDI/

Beyond the Newbie Routine:
I have extensive experience with hanging (I did it for years in the past & grew from 6" BPEL to 7" BPEL with the Bib hanger), but zero experience with an ADS or Pump. I already ordered a Bathmate pump (so that device is settled) but I’m debating which ADS to use here:
"Build vs Buy ADS Extender"
Build vs Buy an ADS Extender

-My plan is to use the bathmate for girth routines, but use very low force right now, because I am still focused on length gains.
-I’m going to focus on an extender first this time around, and only move to hanging again (with my Bib hanger) if I feel I’m not getting enough force. Even if I’m hanging to cause fatigue, I’ll use an extender to cement gains.

Getting the Wife Onboard:
My wife & I had a big argument about PE a few days ago (I can’t hide PE from her); she didn’t understand my motvation (she feels I’m big enough at 7" BPEL, 5.25" EG). I explained that I believe my onset of ED issues can be solved by PE (I’ve seen guys revese ED on this forum). That aside, I told her about PE before we got married (so she knew this is something I do before committing to be with me), and I asked her to support me on my continued goals for self improvement (maybe she never liked PE & it was easy to forget when I didn’t do it for 10 years). I also connected the dots for her regarding some of my thoughts and that really convinced her to be supportive (so I think that hurdle is crossed now).

High Hopes:
I suspect with my improved knowledge, hindsight (from a few years of PE in the far past) & more scientific approach this time around that I’m going to gain more and faster… I’ve already gained & cemented 1" of erect length from past efforts, now it’s time to see if I can gain that much again, but faster this time (and grow from my present 7" BPEL to 8" BPEL). We will see.

You already know to work up slowly to avoid setbacks from blisters or petetchiae. If you start with heat from the beginning, you just run the normal progression. If you add heat later, you may find that you get vacuum blisters at a lower tension than when cold.

There are some guys who have retrofitted vacuum gauges to their Bathmates. A web search should turn up some details. Without a gauge you’re just guessing at the vacuum level, and basically wasting PE time since you can’t repeatably go to your maximum vacuum level.

Way better than having to try to hide it.

I won’t introduce extender or ADS until after I complete my newbie routine about 85 days from now. I don’t know ADS / extenders either — it’s something I look forward to learning & experimenting with. I will definitely start slow.

I appreciate this advice, I don’t know much about pumping either (I’ll research this). My pump isn’t here yet (seems like it will take a month to arrive).

I’m using the principles in this hanging with fire thread: Hanging with FIRe

Some of my thoughts are recorded here (link to my post on how to measure progress)
Measure Progress and when to change routine

I’m using a more scientific approach to PE this time around

Summary of hanging with fire thread & measuring progress for success thread:
1- Decon Breaks for when progress stalls
2- BPFSL measures & estimate "strain"
I measure & log this BPFSL daily, before & after my routine:
strain % = [BPFSL end - BPFSL start] / [BPFSL start]
3- I’m targeting 2 - 5% strain during newbie routine, and I’m thinking 1.5 - 4% post newbie routine
4- heat: I’m got rice socks, a small space heater, and the Thermedic FIR Heating Pad…

I’m going to be more vigilant than ever with heat this time around; I can correlate the times I’ve had success with the times I was applying heat. My glans & penis in general would get cold while I was hanging my first time around, big mistake & quite a loss. I could have gained so much more with heat.

-For now, I’m only doing the newbie routine. Just finished day 8 and I’m already starting to get better with tracking soreness vs "strain" applied. I don’t know that it’s necesary for me to get sore to gain… Everyone has slightly different physiology and I happen to know mine is unique (from decades spent weightlifting & that’s a place where I mastered an understanding of how to maximize my muscle gains over many years of experiments); and my approach is quite different from other people or generic standard recommendations. I may need to consider my physiology is different for PE too, and that I need to run my own experiments to understand what works for me.

-I still have my Bib hanger (it’s collecting dust for now).
-My bathmate arrived; I tried using it once so far (for a light routine), and it’s a little awkward / I’m still figuring it out. I’m going to follow AndyJ’s advice and install my own pressure indicator (it’s crazy this device is as expensive as it is without any kind of indicator — I’ve got the hydromax extreme 9).
-I’m still debating which ADS / extender to go with, I’m still undecided between options like Penimaster, StealthForMen, and the TotalManShop. I could also try to make my own, but that’s time consuming.

I’m going to get an ADS / extender soon so I can experiment wtih very light force over long periods of time.

Good luck with the routine. Careful with the heat pad especially if it goes to 50C, could lead to some skin burns.

Agreed scienceguy.

As Bain said (in Batman 3), when they tried to remove his mask: "that would be extremely painful".

Still running my newbie routine, wife already noticed improved EQ & gains. I’m keeping a log & started entering some of my measures here on the forum.

I also ordered the total man ADS.

I’m obsessed with preventing turkeyneck & have been researching that a lot. I have what I would consider a very minor case & dont’ want to allow it to get worse. I re-read the huge turkeyneck thread & it looks like no one has figured it out. Some guys get surgery to fix it — something I really want to avoid.

Hi mate blink!
Great to have a log helps to compare the work you are doing.
How far have you got with the beginner routine? how long have you been starting? It’s great that your wife noticed the better EQ and gains this makes you want to continue with more determination :D
I too have a Totalman ADS but I’m not so happy with it immediately the sleeves broke and I had to buy them again :( I hope it’s better for you.
For the other problem I am unable to help you.
Waiting for your updates, best regards, ciao :up:

One of my first Total Man sleeves got a hole in it near where it attached to the cup after about 3 or 4 days, rendering it unusable for hanging. I wrote TM an email and they confirmed I wasn’t doing anything unusual to cause it (like scratching it with long fingernails and such) and then sent me two new sleeves as replacements.

I really appreciated the customer service. You might consider reaching out to them if you think it was defective as I suspect they will make it right.

Congrats on getting positive feedback from your wife—that’s the best! Makes it all worthwhile.

I think jelqing is the worst for turkey neck. Guys who manual stretch will sometimes use their other hand to make a ring around the base to prevent it while stretching. And extenders are good to prevent it providing the base holds things in place.

I have a bit and it doesn’t bother me too much, though I’m not looking to make it bigger. I do think it makes me look girthier at the base, so even if it isn’t functional I don’t find it a big problem to have some amount.

Yeah, I read about DLDs method of holding one hand at the base always during jelqs (it’s in the turkeyneck sticky/ thread). I’ve been doing this to make sure my turkeyneck doesn’t grow, and mine is like yours, very minor (but don’t want it to grow further).