Hanging: Ride the Fatigue (Blink's Progress)

Dosso: I’m a few weeks into my newbie routine redux, BPFSL & other measures are up slightly (EQ up, BPFSL longer, but no girth gains / my jeqls are light) — nothing too excited to report yet. Keeping force 5% or lower (based on BPFSL).

Regarding the totalman ADS, thanks for the advice… If I think I like vac ads, I could always just get something more durable & expensive… I was also looking at stealthformen, they have a really nice vachanger setup, but it’s more pricey at $375. However, I’ll try totalman & if it’s durable / works well enough, I won’t bother with anything else.

I’m still debating what I do for an extender; I’m going to get one. Totalman is cheap & could work well, but looks a little unstable to me. I have also looked at phallosan forte and penimaster, but haven’t pullled the trigger on anything yet. If my ADS helps me grow enough, maybe I don’t bother with an extender, but on the other hand, I had some ideas on how to prevent turkneyneck with an extender (that wouldn’t work as well with an ADS) and wanted to try it out (if my ideas work, I’ll share in the turkeyneck thread).

Since you have the TM bell on the way, you can use any ADS frame that has a hook for attaching it. Monkeybar used to sell an adapter for the JES style extenders, but some guys just put a short screw in the sled and used that to hang the bell from.

Thanks again for your help & advice AndyJ.

Updates:
-I’ve been pumping with my bathmate 10 minute per day & have noticed the immediate flaccid improvement. I wonder how long it will take to make it permanent. Generally, I pump after the beginner routine. I attempted to rig a pressure gauge, but it’s leaking air, so I’ll have to buy some tubing & try again.
-I’ve been running the beginner routine about a month, and have already noticed some decent BPFSL gains. I’ll add my logs to the database later…
-I got the stealth for men ADS belt system & innerwear. The innerwear should be useful for discreet, lightweight ADS while I’m doing other things. I observed it’s pretty hard to get it on at first, but seems to be getting easier. I also got sabreskin — although I haven’t figured out how to use it yet (I see it can be used to pump for length)
-I got the total man ADS system with vacuum changers. I’m wondering how long my routines should be (I’ll start with 10 minutes per day & see how that feels — and I plan to always tape my glans)

BTW, the comment about using a screw in the sled applies to the bells that have a wire bail at the end, that you’re supposed to use a hook with. I think monkeybar makes a special sled to fit the TM bells.

Pick a brand of tape and try it. You might get lucky. If not, most places that sell some kind of medical or sports tape always seem to have half a dozen kinds. Ideally, you want something that will stay in place if you sweat in the bell, and doesn’t require an angle grinder to remove. And - perhaps the most important part - make sure you’re not allergic to the glue. Years ago the doc taped a bandage to my chest after minor surgery; you can still see the scars from the tape.

Totalman came with some tape — I find it difficult to remove without pain and I’ve been experimenting with talcum powder, water or other things to prevent it from sticking.

One word of caution about taping for ADS. Depending on your tension and duration it is pretty common for the tape to get wet and pull away from the skin during long sessions, particularly under more than just a small amount of tension. The moisture gets pulled through the skin and soaks the tape. This can lead to glans blisters which are often a cause for a forced break from vacuum methods.

The only time I ever got vacuum hanger glans blisters was while using a vacuum ADS for more than a couple of hours. Never got them from vacuum hanging with much higher tension but shorter duration.

So either keep an eye on the tape job and re-tape, or consider using water in the vacuum chamber instead of tape. Since I started using the water method I’ve never had a blister.

I really appreciate the advice tenaciousD. I’ve had challenges removing tape; it usually takes me an entire jelq session to slowly remove it (and avoid pain), even though I use a talc subistitute under the tape.

My sessions for now are just 20 minutes, but I plan to extend them to longer periods when that stops working.

I finished my first month of the newbie routine - my BPEL is measuring about 1/8th more and my BPFSL went from 15.88 to 18.1 (pre workout / post warm-up measures). 2 more months of my newbie routine to go — although you’ll see my newbie routine is a little odd… I suppose it’s no longer a newbie routine.

My routine started out pretty standard, I started with 5m stretching, and 10m jelqing. However, I slowly modified my workout, where it now resembles nothing like a normal newbie routine. I am however, at least focused on using very light force & keeping heat on my unit at all times.

My routine is still the newbie cadence of 2 days on, 1 day off, but my routine changed to:

1) 5-7m warmup (rice socks), measure BPFSL
2) 20m ADS (very light force.. I use the "total man" vacuum ADS, I keep rice socks on the whole time)
3) 14m jelq (I am slowly working towards 20m jelq. I use very light force when I jelq too. I’m very sllowly increasing it,)
(I keep a small heater pointed at my unit the whole time I jelq)
4) 10m pump (you’ll see below; I’m using this to stretch skin; at first it was incidental, but now it’s intentional)
5) 5-7m (warm down), measure BPFSL

I don’t advise newbies to do this of course; I got phenomenal gains my first time around with the newbie routine 10 years ago (I suggest staying the course).

In my attempts to prevent / fix turkeyneck… Almost a month ago, I attempted to manually stretch my shaft & got a minor bruise and had to skip PE for a few days. I decided that’s a really bad idea, and I’m now going about this a new way. I’m going to see if pumping an fix it.

I am intentionally using the pump to grow the shaft skin on the bottom of my shaft which is a little too short (gaining 1" of shaft length it mostly seems to have stolen from my balls). Hopefully it won’t cause turkeyneck, but either way, the skin is a limiting factor, so I am experimenting with fixing it this way (to hopefully prevent turkeyneck / at least not let it get worse - I have a mild case of it). THe idea is pretty simple.. intentionally put the pump over a place where my bottom shaft skin is the primary limiting factor, and pump it / cause an erection (there’s a little pain honestly, but it’s not injuring me)… the pain is from my natural erection + augmentation of pump pressure, pulling on the bottom side of my shaft skin, strecthing it. I’ve read your skin can only grow at around 1/8" per month, so I may be doing this for a long time. I’ll check-in later & let people know if it’s working to stretch the natural shaft skin or make turkeyneck worse.

Early on I kept measuring my "force" before as around 4% or 5%. I read that as me using too much intensity & I toned it down; I’m usually about 1% to 2.5% "force". The philosophy is minimum force for gains and I have no desire to risk injruy & be forced to take a long PE break.

I’m measuring "force" as:
(BPFSL After - BPFSL before) / BPFSL

I always measure BPFSL as centimeters to keep it exact, and I measure at the same times of the workout (start = post warm-up / after = post warm-down). I’m striving to measure exactly the same way each day — it’s been a learning process. I strive to be consistent so I can detect even a 1/20th of a centimeter gain. BPFSL fluctuates quite a bit day to day, but I wonder how much is me not measuring consistently vs other factors. Regardless, I’m seeing consisent good growth in that measure, so I’m going to stay the course.

I’ve been tempted to still do PE even on rest days (e.g. pump or ads only) but have decided I’m not going to do that. Given I’ve had great gains (so far), I clearly don’t need it at this point. In my view 1/8" in a month is fantastic & may in fact be around the maxium reasonable growth most can achieve. I plan to stick with 2 days on 1 day off for at least another 2 months. In fact, if I keep gaining, I probably won’t stop taking that approach (if it’s working, why not just stick with it.

I tried this too for a few weeks. I now seem to have more skin gathering at the end of my penis but it didn’t really pull my balls on to my dick anymore. I am now doing the same thing but with a cock ring around my balls to see if that helps my balls separate from my dick.

It’s the only thing that seems like it might actually help with the whole turkeyneck situation. Great idea to combine with cock ring — I’m going to try that

I have done a bunch of experimenting over the last few years. One of the things I tried, as a time-saving measure, was to use two tubes; one for my shaft and one for my balls. I didn’t really expect to be able to get a seal, but it worked just fine, at least after moving the bit of skin that got caught where the two tubes touched.

Since I was using 3"Hg for both at the time, I just added a tee fitting and some more hose. The extra tube volume might be a hassle if you’re using a hand pump, but the converted aquarium pump didn’t care.

A side effect was a noticeable stretch of the lower penile skin, as the shaft tube pulled it upward while the ball tube pulled it down.

It worked okay, but I didn’t follow up on it because one of the tubes was much larger than I wanted, and I never got around to ordering another. Though after telling all this, it looks like that should move up on the to-do list.

I have one of the Froehle "anatomical" tubes with the ball pocket. It’s basically a conformal "package" tube. The ball pocket is small-to-medium and overall isn’t nearly as effective as the two-tube setup, but it’s a lot simpler if a two-tube setup is more hassle than you want to deal with.

One thing I should have added is, the cock ring is one of the thick rubber ones rather than metal type

AndyJ: wow, 2 tube setup — i wonder how that would even work
ScienceGuy: I’m going to try a rubber cock ring on my balls for a few weeks while I pump.. sometimes it’s hard to keep my ball skin from getting pulled into the pump, something like this would only help.

The good news: I’ve grown at least 3/16" I think in the first 2 months of returning to my own version of the newbie routine (20 minutes ADS - total man, 15 minutes Jelq, 10 minutes pump). It’s making a massive difference on my flaccid, my wife noticed today & had to make a comment that’s it’s staying huge all the time. Pumping works surprisingly well — it’s a little effort (I fill a bathtub each time), but it really gets results. My pumping is meant to be conservative (I’m still focused on length gains).

MSEG = 5.4" (.15" gain)
BPEL = 7.2" (.20" gain)

The small length gain & girth gains made a big difference to my wife; she says "it’s a good pain". It’s interesting because she wavered on support for a while, but my EQ is up & I’m longer & thicker, and it’s pretty obvious based on the wife’s reaction which is pretty intense… I am encouraged / almost shocked at times, because I’ll be taking a shower & I’ll notice my flaccid is WAY bigger than it ever was before in my life. Pumping seems to help with that especially.

Also, my total man ADS setup stopped working today (no vacuum suction, it kept slipping off), so I’m back to manual stretching. I spent a few hours trying different plastic heads / configuring the sticky blue tube and black elastic wrap around the plastic piece, but the tube can no longer provide suction, there must be an air leak because suction won’t stay. I’m clean shaven as well, so there’s no hair to get in the way. I’m debating whether to get more parts & keep using the total man ADS (it seems to work well enough) or whether I should invest in a better vacuum ADS (the Stealth for Men is really expensive, but seems nicely engineered).

I updated my signature to show my gains going forward.

It works just fine. I need to go back to that.

A big erection is nice while it’s happening, but a big flaccid is nice all the time.

It’s the valve. That’s the weak spot of the Total Man setup. The Size Doctor valve also has problems. AutoExtender’s hose with a pinch clamp looks goofy, but I suspect it ‘just works.’

The usual problem with the TM valve is using a lotion or "drying" oil. (a drying oil… dries out. Like jojoba oil. Non-drying oils stay oily, like mineral oil) The stuff eventually dries out and clogs the valve open. I’ve tried soap and water and even my ultrasonic cleaner without entirely successful results.

TM sells replacement valves, which aren’t hard to change. To be fair, TM’s web site says to use "oil", but they don’t say *not* to use lotion or drying oils, though that might have changed since I looked a couple of years ago.