The characteristics of the tunica albuginea revisited

TA stress thresholds 0.10 MPa and 0.17 MPa are taken from the thesis attached In the opening post.

It is Indeed the target range for the efficient workout.

Stress is the force per cross sectional area unit.
Therefor we need to estimate the TA cross section area for converting the stress To needed load.

This can be done with the calculator posted In the start of this threads or the conversion table posted only few posts ago.

By using the circumference of your shaft as a variable, measured approximately 1.5- 2cm behind the glans, we can have as close as it gets estimation of the cross section area and therefor the load.

I have to say that you have provided an important theoretical basis for the development of PE.

As early as 2008, when I visited the forum, there were Jelq, Kegel, Pumping and so on. By 2020, it will be these old-fashioned contents until you appear.

Well done, man. I hope you can contribute more——Blessings from Chinese friends

Thank you Chinese friend.

From my perspective, I wouldn’t label everything before as old-fashioned. As there is lots of good as there has been successful stories with the methods.

What I can say that the basic reasoning behind the methods has mostly been false. In some of the methods outrageously wrong.
Having nothing in line with the scientific knowledge of the tissue elongation and expansion.

For the hardgainers and most importantly non-gainers, any of these forums and gurus around there have offered absolutely nothing.
That’s all because of the lacking understanding and knowledge of the basic nature of the tissue behaviour itself.

For me it would be great that these matters would gain wider understanding and appreciation in a form of more meticulous approaches.

Yes, your theory is like a guiding light. This allows people walking in the dark to take many detours less.

I have made my own battle plan according to your method. I just finished today’s schedule, from 19.1 to 19.7, strain 3.14%. This is really impressive!

Thanks for the response. I went back and read your post again and it makes sense. Thanks for the awesome research going to add this to my routine and record the results.

My deepest respect to those, who put so much effort to contribute to this site to make things easier and to make us get to success.

Although, this thread is still like some murky water I can’t orientate myself. Although I have the feeling, this information is very important.

I do manual exercises and head for girth, not length right now. How can I put to use the information provided? Or is it only applicable for hanging, focusing on length?

Krypa .. Thank you for uploading the load calculator. One thing wasn’t clear from the Excel sheet. It states, “Input the circumference approximately 1,5cm behind the glans.”

Is that erect, flaccid, or flaccid-stretched circumference?

Thanks. Looking forward to analyze your calculations.

WM12

If it is not said on the thread elsewhere, here it is anyway:

Flaccid, non-stretched.

That is for having the full correlation with the research produced in the thesis.
It is the cross-sectional area at a non-stretched state used as a reference, as the TA gets thinner and the cross-sectional area decreases while under tension.

They measured the cross-sectional area of the tissue specimen at resting state, so should we.

It is perfectly understandable the confusion of taking this into girth work. But you are not alone, the fundamentals of elongation workouts with a flaccid penis are trivia compared to workouts produced with especially top range erection pressure. At that point, you are not stretching isolated compounds of the structure.
During erection level cavernous pressure we are trying to manipulate a structure that is finely designed not to stretch, not to expand beyond physiological limitations.
It is the structure as a whole. Not tunica or any other specific parts of the complex.
At erect state, the double layer tunica with intracavernosal pillars is described in every source you can find, as a strong in-elastic ligamentous skeleton structure of the penis.

So, what you can take from this is that if going well beyond the natural erection state intracavernosal pressure the harder it comes to expand the structure.
Staying at natural erection state pressure(90- 120mmHG) or maximum at 200 mmHg with slow strain rate application for longer bouts or several shorter repetitions is more likely to allow you to expand the structure.
Traditional pumping or clamping is the least optimal setup for TA expansion.
If the penis is allowed to expand longitudinally to its maximal length, the outer layer straightens out and stiffens up restricting the target tissue, the inner layer of TA expanding beyond its physiological limits.
Limiting the elongation during exercise or even compressing longitudinally would allow greater expansion to happen.
This again leads into a situation of expansive manipulations being more productive not having naturally occurring erection during.

Thank you for answering specifically to my question. I think I understand, that taken all explanations together Sadsak slinky should be most effective as manual exercise for girth:

No elongating movement, rather lengthwise compression, no maximal erection, no pressure beyond maximal erection level.

Got it?

Pretty much like it. Slowly building up to maximal expansion by manipulation, and the maximal pressure following after expansion already achieved.

That sounds like a good formula!

One more question: does that mean that growth in girth comes on the price of loss in length? Because it sounds as if tissues expand only in one direction, either length or girth…

More than that it tells we should isolate the inner layer of the TA as well the intracavernous pillars to be worked with.

Just like the outer layer and the septum can be isolated when elongation workouts are manoeuvred at flaccid state.

It is too simplified to say length or girth would come in expence of other.

BPEL gains as well the MSEG are always a result of three dimensional growth.
Volumetric expansion.
Which direction allows the best circumstances for expansion is in our hands.
We can always toggle between the length and girth.

If you look into history, you can’t find lots of reports telling about girth gains with a significant loss of BPEL.

That was my experience so far, too, and I hoped it to be this way. But I put much more effort in this time and I’m more conscious of results, too. But I think I found a good way to go and have the feeling things will work.

Means good lays ahead, let’s go get it. Thanks for your accurate and swift answers! Highly appreciated!

Also, your success is incredible and very encouraging.

Thank you Kyrpa.
That is a lot of food for thought.

Can you clarify this a bit ?
After manipulation of the tunica to the maximum at lower erection levels without length expansion, you would use maximum pressure exercises (I.e. Clamping, ulis and pumping) to realize gains ?
Did I get this right ?

I disliked DLD back in the day, but maybe he has been onto something with his 5x5x3 girth routine after all.
Maybe worth a look as the routine seems popular and could be a starting point for something better.

Another oldschool exercise worth looking into are Horse 440 Squeezes (Horse 440 Squeezes).

Bends as mentioned seem to be a good idea too.
But I am afraid of these exercises and never felt comfortable doing them and would prefer to avoid them.
I never gained with clamping by the way.

In my heydays of PE I switched between girth and length routines.
Whenever I gained substantially girth I lost up to 3 mm of BPEL.
Great to see a explanation for this as I always thought of a anomaly.

The only girth exercises that worked for me have been jelqs to a slight degree and squeezes.
Both exercises have been done at approximately 60-80% erection level.
I always watched out for my erection level to be a tad before the shaft fully stiffens at max.
Squeezes were my main choice (grip at the base and below the head).

Love your theory, but which exercises you would recommend at this point ?
Maybe slow squash jelqs done at lower erection levels are a good choice as a exercise ?
Never done them to be honest, but in my quest to be up to date I found them to be quiet popular in other forums.
In my mind you would choose the erection level for this exercise that gives you the most temporary circumference while doing the exercise and ignoring temporary gains measured afterwards.

Maybe pumping against a resistance would be a good idea too.
Like a ssj or horse 440 in the pump.
This could be easily done.
The only questions are at which BPEL length in the pump you should put a "wall" and how much vacuum to use.
This might need some experiments.
I think this could work if you use a strong sleeve or a cock ring at the base.
I am thinking of a self adhesive tape tightly wrapped around the glans and building a wall in the pump with a cut out to fit the flaccid taped glans so that the expanded shaft can compress against the resistance.
Maybe a screw rod to push the wall towards the body to increase or release the compression in the set would be a nice touch too.

I must say it would be nice to develop a construction or a protocol that could achieve girth gains without guesswork for everybody as girth exercises are very difficult to measure and quantify compared to length exercises.