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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Sorry to be picking up these nuances. I just happen to be bit tender if I am referred erroneously.

That is your right and absolutely understandable. Therefore no apologies necessary. I had understood it that way and perhaps interpreted it somewhat ambitiously. I must admit that it is not the first time that I have not reproduced your statement quite correctly, so I must apologize.

Thank you again for the clarification. That was the biggest question mark that remained for me.

Originally Posted by Rocco25
That is your right and absolutely understandable. Therefore no apologies necessary. I had understood it that way and perhaps interpreted it somewhat ambitiously. I must admit that it is not the first time that I have not reproduced your statement quite correctly, so I must apologize.

Thank you again for the clarification. That was the biggest question mark that remained for me.

No harm done, so we are cool.

Keep up the good work.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Rocco25

- If you claim that there is beer in the refrigerator, then you are a theologian (claim without proof).

The resurrection of Christ was empirical 🙏

Beginning Protocols

How are you guys deciding what weight to begin with when beginning down this road. Specifically those of you that came from the hanging world.

Example: if you were a hanger, and you hung for an hour per day, and you tapered up your weight from 2 or 3lbs ( or whatever weight ) to 10lbs and stayed there until you hit an hour ( or whatever time frame ). This is just a random example here. Not mine.

Do you begin your Stress Relaxation at 1 , 2 , or even 3 lbs ? How do you decide the beginning weight ?

Secondly, for clarification, my apologies if this has been addressed, But I did not find it. When beginning the US for the 20min is one still adding weight a given time interval and if so, is the weigh to be a set amount of increase.
I know what we are all different, but with all the science going on here, I feel the need to ask and clarify.

Thank You very much

Originally Posted by Raptor11
How are you guys deciding what weight to begin with when beginning down this road. Specifically those of you that came from the hanging world.

Example: if you were a hanger, and you hung for an hour per day, and you tapered up your weight from 2 or 3lbs ( or whatever weight ) to 10lbs and stayed there until you hit an hour ( or whatever time frame ). This is just a random example here. Not mine.

Do you begin your Stress Relaxation at 1 , 2 , or even 3 lbs ? How do you decide the beginning weight ?

Secondly, for clarification, my apologies if this has been addressed, But I did not find it. When beginning the US for the 20min is one still adding weight a given time interval and if so, is the weigh to be a set amount of increase.
I know what we are all different, but with all the science going on here, I feel the need to ask and clarify.

Thank You very much

Hello,

It is up to user to make some science by his own. There is no one else to determine the weight for you.
Having hanger setup the user can make simple experiment.

1.Measure your BPFSL

2.Start hanging with 1 lbs for 10 minutes. Measure the BPFSL. Increase the weight 1 lbs (0,5kg) in 10 minutes intervals and after each step measure the BPFSL

3. At the step the BPFSL does not increase anymore you have exceeded the threshold load you will need to produce strain.

4. Backing two steps down and there is your weight for the first phase.

For the heated second phase you can start with the weight at the point you found no additional strain produced at the previously described test.
Or making it even better is to start little bit below and go slightly beyond in increments during the heated set.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Hello,

It is up to user to make some science by his own. There is no one else to determine the weight for you.
Having hanger setup the user can make simple experiment.

1.Measure your BPFSL

2.Start hanging with 1 lbs for 10 minutes. Measure the BPFSL. Increase the weight 1 lbs (0,5kg) in 10 minutes intervals and after each step measure the BPFSL

3. At the step the BPFSL does not increase anymore you have exceeded the threshold load you will need to produce strain.

4. Backing two steps down and there is your weight for the first phase.

For the heated second phase you can start with the weight at the point you found no additional strain produced at the previously described test.
Or making it even better is to start little bit below and go slightly beyond in increments during the heated set.

Kyrpa,
You’re the man, I appreciate the response. I will do exactly this. I will be beginning my first time with this tomorrow. I will be tracking everything.

I have seen many very impressive rates of flaccid length growth here. Can anyone point me to successes at growing BPEL? I mean aside from Krypa’s/the OP, of course.

Originally Posted by Artful Todger
Nobody here worried about frying their unit from the inside?

Hello Artful Todger,

I suppose you have read and understood the content of this thread.
That said the main content of this ultrasound thread is highly focused on safety side.

The therapeutic ultrasound has been used in physical therapy now at least for thirty years.
It has been used in the consensus of not using more than 3.0 w/ cm^2 intensity applications because it becomes highly unpleasant and is not tolerated very well.

Despite being professionals the users use their applications without any kind of temperature control.
The main guidance being the sensations of the patient. Feeling pain or discomfort the applicator user must tune the intensity down, move away from the spot or speed up the movement of the transducer.

Despite control of the use being amazingly primitive , according to health administration reports not a single severe burn issues has been reported in the whole history of the use. This comes from my memory, and I haven´t checked it but I recall this was the situation in 2017.

We prefer to use temperature control when using ultrasound. It is relatively easy to sort out putting thermocouple wiring attached to thermometer between the shaft of the penis and soundwave conducting material against the shaft.
Temperature recorded this way is highly correlated to the results we have tracked with the intra-urethral probe.
Making my point clear enough the temperature control is imperative.

So if done correctly we are not only using ultrasound in safer way than the professionals in physical therapy but more efficiently as well.
In the professionals seminars they do consider therapeutical ultrasound being low risk risk and low reward application.
I dare to challenge them on the latter.

For the question if it is possible or not to cook the penis we can say yes it is possible. It would demand ultra high tolerance of pain though.

When talking about the cumulative effect of elevated temperatures on tissues , you can easily find the safe time limits under given temperatures posted in this thread.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 05-04-2021 at .

Originally Posted by sentii
I have seen many very impressive rates of flaccid length growth here. Can anyone point me to successes at growing BPEL? I mean aside from Krypa’s/the OP, of course.

That information would interest me as well.

What I suspect is while the users mainly focusing on getting the novel process sorted out successfully, they might have been ignoring the importance of the practices used for my BPEL development.
Elongating the BPFSL is of course the precondition for development but it has to be triggered further with the more traditional methods in conjunction for some degree and absolutely afterwards for maximizing the BPEL gains.
Some may need more focus on the latter part while others get the BPEL as a co-product more or less.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Since I’ve been doing this for the past 2 months, I haven’t had a lot of success with BPSL, but seemed to get an extra 1 mm the other day, so I might be heating the entire shaft better. My schedule is such that I can only do this about 2 days a week, because of kids and my wife. I think if I was able to do2 or 3 days in a row that might help. That being said, I was able to measure 6.6” BPEL the other day, when I’ve never broken 6.5” before, so this might be having some effect on me getting closer to my stretched length at least. I’ve tried multiple other techniques over the past 2 years, and I think that this is the most promising for sure. I’m all about science and this seems to be the best available right now.

First Day w/ UltraSound - Excited

I got my first day in, finally.

I found it really hard to keep the temp at 40c as well as it took damn near the entire 20min to get to 40c. So I rode it out a little longer at that 40c mark for a total of 33min
then did the cool down for 20min. Any advice the temp , getting up to temp faster?

I will make a thread for my journey with this in just a bit. & Thank you all for your posts and feedback so far.

Originally Posted by Raptor11
I got my first day in, finally.

I found it really hard to keep the temp at 40c as well as it took damn near the entire 20min to get to 40c. So I rode it out a little longer at that 40c mark for a total of 33min
then did the cool down for 20min. Any advice the temp , getting up to temp faster?

I will make a thread for my journey with this in just a bit. & Thank you all for your posts and feedback so far.

Congratulations!

I was going to suggest starting your own log. Include all your setup and tools in order to troubleshoot your inconveniences.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
That information would interest me as well.

What I suspect is while the users mainly focusing on getting the novel process sorted out successfully, they might have been ignoring the importance of the practices used for my BPEL development.
Elongating the BPFSL is of course the precondition for development but it has to be triggered further with the more traditional methods in conjunction for some degree and absolutely afterwards for maximizing the BPEL gains.
Some may need more focus on the latter part while others get the BPEL as a co-product more or less.

What are the more traditional methods that trigger BPEL?

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
What are the more traditional methods that trigger BPEL?

With ultrasound protocol we are we are concentrated completely in elongating BPFSL.
Which by the way is the primary target in all length training being it hanging or extending etc.
The BPEL comes as a seamless secondary co-product of this elongation.

The difference being that with these novel methods we are able to achieve relatively significant increases in BPFSL, the BPEL being difficult to grow at the same rate.
BPFSL gains come more as a direct consequence of connective tissue elongation by the heat amplified stretching. BPEL growth is volumetric growth to fill this void as a simplification.

For inducing this growth almost every viable technique which involves expansion and stretching the cavernous tissue serves fine.
I have found BPEL growth with jelqs, any manual expansion exercise I have came up with, low erection bends, pumping, clamping , you name it.

There is a downside as well on adding these exercise in conjunction. As I have found out and stated it many times in my log, having excessive work load in conjunction with the BPFSL protocol the exhaustion is easily felt and EQ may drop significantly.

That’s why I dropped the jelqs and rest of the similar exercises aside at some stage.
And concentrated on BPFSL as long as it kept coming and then switched in to BPEL work for the rest of the period. It has worked just perfectly every time.

For what I have been really surprised that even that I dropped all additional workouts I still have managed to gain BPEL parallel to BPFSL.
Now seeing many already starting to master the BPFSL gaining, they may lack the BPEL gains.

This has made me think about it a lot and I can´t find any reasonable explanation other that that I have chosen to use the cyclical stretching as a cooldown method instead of static stretch /extension. I can´t prove it unless there more users going the same rout, but I do have very strong suspicion that being the crucial difference.
The cavernous tissue and tunica layers getting enough stimuli for inducing growth responses is the possible explanation.

As we can see the static method is working fine as it is also strongly backed with the literature.
Another thing is that is the protocol insufficient to trigger BPEL growth responses without additional exercise used along?


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 05-07-2021 at .

I’m reminded of Stagestop’s mention of the “sausage effect” where IGF-1 injections seemed to expand his size inside-out in comparison to primarily stretching the tunica, which I guess you could call outside-in.

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