Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

I have opened the reasoning somewhere on the line already before.
I studied the whole heat aspect.
The heat provides undeniable advantages.
Yet the failure rate is significant despite the use of more conventional forms of heating including the infrared radiation. That would suggest the temperature window being hard to reach and maintain.
This is also well documented and supported by the literature.
From the more sophisticated forms of therapeutic heat sources the US is the most affordable and available.

Not many had jumped on the more advantageous medical grade applications wagon that easily. The investment starting at thousands with each other type of machinery.
The US should fit in our case perfectly.

So yes. The bro-science had obviously found some advantages and insurmountable obstacles.
Being bro-science, not willing to admit or recognize the disadvantages though.
That brought me here and others have joined.

I am not trying to claim the US comes without limitations as well, but I dare to claim it is a step forward for sure.

Like you stated in your log. That really impressed me!
Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa

This was a, let’s be honest, somewhat of a loaded response for someone claiming the thread being too long to be read.
Surely it is, can´t deny, that but to me, it tells everything about the user if he is ready to study the field he is about to step or not.

And this is what I am talking about. I am not kidding when I say that Kyrpa’s thread will be referenced for many years for many members to come in the future. The logic and critical thinking he has used to approach this topic is second to none. It has been a phenomenal job, remarkable, and benefits all of us in a tremendous way. Still the majority of members fail to understand that this is not just an “alternative aproach with UltraSound” It is not. Kyrpa’s thread contains the knowledge and explanation on how penile tissue work, helping us understand that in many aspects, our previous approach was incorrect. Some might perceive this as a hostile approach, like trying to debunk previous work done, no it is not. Is is a complement. It is correcting what was incorrect, and complementing it with even better techniques and knowledge so we create a more broad approach to penile exercising. Without discrediting many members before, Kyrpa has consolidated in a way everything that has been tested and tried before in a more “rogue” fashion, compare it to existing literature, and take it from there.

LittleEngine, you are right. My response is emotional. I am very passionate into anything I get involved in. My post is not to criticize people, but rather to try to open eyes and tell everybody that this works, try it as it has been laid out, it will work for you too. I understand most dont have the time or the opportunity to incorporate this in their lives, but I tell them, be patient. At some point you will have the opportunity to organize, get what you need, and eventually once you have it setup it becomes pretty easy to put in your daily life. Stay positive, stay motivated. I believe these threads are awesome motivation for everybody as we see more and more personal experiences coming in, with new ideas being born from any knowledge we can acquire throughout the process.

I waited over a year in the shadows. I got extremely excited when I saw Kyrpa’s thread for the first time, because I ‘heard” the Ultrasound approach before. So once I saw it, I started following it very quiet. Very patient. In those days Manko was around and others. I needed to give it time to see exactly what it matters, data. Over a year went by, Kyrpa and there proved beyond any doubt the efficacy of the protocol. And it was an awesome year going through all the charts, crazy trans urethral measurements, etc.

Having learned the process all that time following it, I finally applied it on myself to replicate what has already been done successfully. And of course the result was success. It is a basic approach to replicate something proven to work, and with certainty expect the result to work. I am not going to expand here on my own PE history behind, but this breakthrough completely changed my life, and for that I will always recognize and will always thank Kyrpa for sharing all this time and effort to all of us. And many thanks of course to everyone else around involved in the game sharing their experiences and data. All of this only helps all of us.

I have put some thought on the issue of heating while pumping, and I have an idea that I have yet to test, but I will at some point in the near future.

As it is difficult at this point in time to consolidate pumping tube with Ultrasound transducers, I believe the therapeutic range of temperature can be reached with an IR lamp by itself. The fact that the penis is trapped inside the tube, the external temperature will create an “atmosphere” inside the tube with a hot environment heating up the tissues, without the necessity of frying the skin with the IR lamp to reach high internal temperature.

Picture the IR lamp being or star Sun, the tube being the ceiling of our atmosphere, and the surface of the penis being the surface of the earth. If the atmosphere wasn’t there, we would get fried by the Sun. But instead, we have this nice warm climate.

To test this, I will attach a thermocouple in the dorsal side of the penis, and another on the ventral side and slide the tube itself. These thermocouples are tiny and will not affect the vacuum. They will bury in the skin with the pressure of the tube.

Then I will proceed to heat the tube with the IR lamp only on the dorsal side. The two readings will give me an idea of the experiment. If the ventral side (the dark side of the moon) can reach therapeutic temperature, I believe it would be safe to say that after a determined amount of minutes the internal tissues will also reach a similar temperature. In fact, at some point I will most probably shield one of these thermocouples and insert it down the urethra into an excursion to the inner earth and measure temperature from within. Perhaps even better, a probe on the dorsal side, on the ventral side, and one inside down the hatch.

I also thought about this with a bathmate as water is better than air for heat but that becomes more complicated because they dont make bathmate large enough.

Right on igigi. We are lucky to have you brother.

Igigi, Rocco thank you for the compliments. I am happy to see you and everyone else finding the inspiration and the tools necessary for your success from the work I have laid out.
At the moment the motivation is not that high it used to be and I can aspire some back from your enthusiasm.

x2

Almost finished reading this thread in full and taking notes.

I will soon make some purchases.

I will dive into Kyrpa’s log.

I will use the Excel template in post # 500.

I am looking forward to finally getting my toe in the door of the 8” club.

Just a thought, but would it be possible to heat from the inside out?

If there was a sound, no, not this kind of sound like ultrasound, but the name for sticking a metal tube down your eurethra.

Imagine that either it is a heat pipe, or a tube with water that flows down and back, or a carefully temperature controlled wire with resistive heating.

By applying heat from within, and perhaps from the outside as well, it should lead to a more easily reached uniform temperature.

Heat pipes are amazing BTW, they conduct heat amazingly well, so that might be the easiest.

Watch this video:

The other end could be in a bath of water heated to the desired temp by a sous vide circulator (I have one, hmmm).
Of course, this means sticking a rigid metal tube in your penis, and that would need to sit in a bath of hot water below you, it’s doable but could be pretty awkward, also I suspect the heatpipe between the penis and the thermal reservoir of hot water should be insulated but might not be needed.

The electric option is interesting but it also doesn’t sound practical unless you include a thermometer in it and have feedback that controls the power supplied, can be done but a little tricky.

Water heated and circulated in is of course another option but I don’t see the advantage over the heat pipe, and it would mean a larger diameter to stuff down there, not ideal.
Maybe the heat pipe could be combines with an electric option, thermostatically controlled, I mean in theory a fancy temperature controlled soldiering iron if it can be set for low enough temps (unlikely) could be an option.

Here is a soldiering iron that goes as ow as 80C
Cxg Soldering Iron Adjustable Temperature Digital Display Welding Tools 110w Electric Solder High Quality Rework Tool - Electric Soldering Irons - AliExpress

It might be possible to hack a more simple dial based one, not really recommending this just a thought.

I don’t think heating with a hot rod down the urethra is very practical, or even effective

Doing PE in hot water.. lots of guys on this board have done their daily PE either sitting in their hot tub or sitting in a hot bath

Thats very exciting Stix! Prepare for an awesome journey!

Well. You need to look for ultra-thin heat cable 12VDC, more than 10w per meter. They are flexible, thin , coated with perfect material, and already available.
Solid rods are out of the equation. It needs to be flexible, then plausible.

What I do know is the urethra is easily hurt, infected, and bled.

You need to further develop the idea with sausage. When you think you have found the right wattage for the needed temperature, you will need to install a water-cooling line inside the sausage.
At 37 C temperature flowing arterial blood supply is really a super-effective thermoregulatory system body is providing.

I’m uncertain how one would target girth with US since clamping is risky with the possibility of lysis of erythrocytes and/or blood flow stasis. Anyone have input into this dilemma?

Hello Hanfmuzn,

Good question.
You are pointing out real risks, yet we need to separate the high-intensity applications used for killing cancerous cells from the low-intensity application we are using.

Although your concern is paradoxical as the clamping as we know it is indeed venous and even arterial stasis at some degree.
After enough time under the clamp complete stasis occurs.
That said the risk of stasis is clear and present as the clamped penis is already at a highly restricted or completely shut blood flow state.

To be completely honest I don´t recommend anyone to use US when clamping because we need to be cautious with it.
Pioneers willing to take the risks are already doing it cautiously. Not for newbies I would say.

The clamping itself being a severe penile health risk with several established ways it has been traditionally done.
Actually I consider that some of the great clampers out there have promoted very questionable and hazardous methods.
If heating with US some of these risks are amplified and it is up to personal health risk analysis if doing it or not.

Heating-induced venular stasis can start to occur at a temperature of 42.1 °C when using a 1.0 °C/min heating rate. Arterial stasis would need a temperature of 46°C with the same rate.
It would need to take more than 8 minutes to heat the penis at a normal blood flow state to avoid the heat-induced stasis completely. It comes true when heating the whole penis with 1 MHz 1.6- 2.0 w/cm^2.
The stasis to emerge is relative to the heating rate. Thermo tolerance develops to a greater degree during slow vs. fast heating rates.

Sensei891 run a test series with 3MHz 2.5w/ cm^2 and reached 41°C with a fully clamped penis in 9 minutes 50 seconds. It translates to approximately 0.5 °C/min heating rate.
With 1.6 MHz 1.6 w/cm^2 the temperature stays unreachable and has been confirmed few times.

The case of lysis would be harder to judge. Whether or not it is good or bad at the situation of a self-induced hypoxic environment would need better knowledge to say anything conclusive.

With clamping we have induced a stasis more or less, then we have a temperature elevation of 8 °C (from 33 to 41°C).
In that situation, the heat making the tissue consume 1.5 fold amount of oxygen and the hemoglobin is already provided with an increased rate by the blood cells because of the temperature alone.
I am not an authorized scientist for making a statement here, but I do think it is not all that bad to release the hemoglobin induced by the lysis. With a small amount of blood affected, the systemic effect stays minimal.

If the stasis is about to form clots the ultrasound-induced lysis will prevent them from harming our precious as well. This is only a non-medical opinion with the narrow knowledge I have, not to be taken as a statement.