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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by sentii
I’m reminded of Stagestop’s mention of the “sausage effect” where IGF-1 injections seemed to expand his size inside-out in comparison to primarily stretching the tunica, which I guess you could call outside-in.

Guess so. Making the room for the growth. Triggering the growth.
Drawing things as a sketch is nice, the complex beauty lies in the painting though.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
With ultrasound protocol we are we are concentrated completely in elongating BPFSL.
Which by the way is the primary target in all length training being it hanging or extending etc.
The BPEL comes as a seamless secondary co-product of this elongation.

The difference being that with these novel methods we are able to achieve relatively significant increases in BPFSL, the BPEL being difficult to grow at the same rate.
BPFSL gains come more as a direct consequence of connective tissue elongation by the heat amplified stretching. BPEL growth is volumetric growth to fill this void as a simplification.

For inducing this growth almost every viable technique which involves expansion and stretching the cavernous tissue serves fine.
I have found BPEL growth with jelqs, any manual expansion exercise I have came up with, low erection bends, pumping, clamping , you name it.

There is a downside as well on adding these exercise in conjunction. As I have found out and stated it many times in my log, having excessive work load in conjunction with the BPFSL protocol the exhaustion is easily felt and EQ may drop significantly.

That’s why I dropped the jelqs and rest of the similar exercises aside at some stage.
And concentrated on BPFSL as long as it kept coming and then switched in to BPEL work for the rest of the period. It has worked just perfectly every time.

For what I have been really surprised that even that I dropped all additional workouts I still have managed to gain BPEL parallel to BPFSL.
Now seeing many already starting to master the BPFSL gaining, they may lack the BPEL gains.

This has made me think about it a lot and I can´t find any reasonable explanation other that that I have chosen to use the cyclical stretching as a cooldown method instead of static stretch /extension. I can´t prove it unless there more users going the same rout, but I do have very strong suspicion that being the crucial difference.
The cavernous tissue and tunica layers getting enough stimuli for inducing growth responses is the possible explanation.

As we can see the static method is working fine as it is also strongly backed with the literature.
Another thing is that is the protocol insufficient to trigger BPEL growth responses without additional exercise used along?

Thanks

Any PE technique that requires an erection is out if bounds for me, except the occasional pumping when I wake up in the morning with an erection already. I do some light flaccid jelqing every time I shower. But I’m really dependent on hanging alone for any and all gains.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
That’s why I dropped the jelqs and rest of the similar exercises aside at some stage.
And concentrated on BPFSL as long as it kept coming and then switched in to BPEL work for the rest of the period. It has worked just perfectly every time.


Are you saying you quit doing the BPFSL focused routine and switched into a BPEL focused routine? As in, stopping US heated hanging/stretching completely to do jelqing/clamping/etc?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
For what I have been really surprised that even that I dropped all additional workouts I still have managed to gain BPEL parallel to BPFSL.
Now seeing many already starting to master the BPFSL gaining, they may lack the BPEL gains.


So you gained BPEL while focusing on the US heated BPFSL routine (without jelqing/clamping/etc)?

Originally Posted by gjw965
Are you saying you quit doing the BPFSL focused routine and switched into a BPEL focused routine? As in, stopping US heated hanging/stretching completely to do jelqing/clamping/etc?

The principle has been to stop trying to gain more BPFSL once the post exercise BPFSL measurement gains starts to diminish.
The elongation plateau at certain point .This has happened each time at 30 to 45 days bracket without an exception.
The focus has then been moved from the elongation workouts to expansion for promoting BPEL gains.

Not abandoned the US by then, just focusing on helping the expansion workouts with the heat.
Several different combinations of protocols used for this , without a major difference on outcome.
This has been continued up to 63-70 days total duration before going into decon.

Started with short few weeks offs, but after the experience gathered I am convinced that minimum of 2 months off is needed and a longer, minimum of 6 months off every 1.5 to 2 years is imperative. Otherwise we plateau severely.

Originally Posted by gjw965
So you gained BPEL while focusing on the US heated BPFSL routine (without jelqing/clamping/etc)?

Yes. I did , even when dropping the mentioned exercise from the first part of the campaign.

Everything has been documented on my progress log. Gaining volume with Kyrpa. On the stats you can can track down the separate campaigns which I have labeled periods(P#). Focus on the P1,P2,P3 If you are interested to see in detail.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 05-16-2021 at .

I was reading another thread about stress relaxation and someone (marinara?) made a point: if you are trying to do stress relaxation in a hanger-type set up, you constantly have the same amount of force on the tissues even if they want to loosen up and relax. But if you did a manual stretch or used a rod-type extender, instead of having a consistent amount of force, you would have one single length to which the tissues can relax and elongate to. So once the tissues relax and elongate to 7 inches (for example), there is no more additional stress, because the tissues are simply being held at that length, so they can relax once they reach it. But with weights, no matter how much the tissues want to relax, the weight is still pulling on them.

What do you guys think

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I was reading another thread about stress relaxation and someone (marinara?) made a point: if you are trying to do stress relaxation in a hanger-type set up, you constantly have the same amount of force on the tissues even if they want to loosen up and relax. But if you did a manual stretch or used a rod-type extender, instead of having a consistent amount of force, you would have one single length to which the tissues can relax and elongate to. So once the tissues relax and elongate to 7 inches (for example), there is no more additional stress, because the tissues are simply being held at that length, so they can relax once they reach it. But with weights, no matter how much the tissues want to relax, the weight is still pulling on them.

What do you guys think

Good points. The conventional hanger setup is constantly pulling which is utilizing another form of tissue elongation, which is creep. That part he has covered right.

For the manual stretching there is some aspects to re-evaluate. The exercise does induce stress relaxation but only partly because of the static hold at certain length. There is more into it.

The hold , no matter how accurate you try to be with the static hold, is constantly moving and the load changing every second. That makes the exercise some degree of insufficient on the stress relaxation aspect.
What the manual stretching has to patch up the incompleteness, is that it is performed in cyclical fashion.
Repetitive pulls combined with the rest between.

Cyclical stretching alone is known to produce stress relaxation to its maximum with no more than ten repetitions or so. This combined with the static hold, as best we can, surely makes the manual stretching one of the stress relaxation type elongation exercise.

Static extenders are pure stress relaxation devices , even hanger can be tuned up to be one.
There are guys using the hanger with pulley , adding the lock device to attach the hanger cord to a static position once the load has been applied. There are another possibilities as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

The static hold issue is likely also load dependent. Kyrpa has done a real good job of suggesting a quantitative range regarding the load beyond which there is no additional utility if not in fact a negative input up to the point of material failure.

It becomes more a matter of a static hold below a certain load threshold allows for stress relaxation. One needs to consider why it is that stress relaxation to the extent to which it has been compared to creep has yielded better results in the literature.

Also as a practical matter what static devices that are readily available provide a measure of load?

Maybe that’s a factor but anecdotally when reviewing the records here, there seems to be better results reported with spring loaded rather than static devices.


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Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Good points. The conventional hanger setup is constantly pulling which is utilizing another form of tissue elongation, which is creep. That part he has covered right.

For the manual stretching there is some aspects to re-evaluate. The exercise does induce stress relaxation but only partly because of the static hold at certain length. There is more into it.

The hold , no matter how accurate you try to be with the static hold, is constantly moving and the load changing every second. That makes the exercise some degree of insufficient on the stress relaxation aspect.
What the manual stretching has to patch up the incompleteness, is that it is performed in cyclical fashion.
Repetitive pulls combined with the rest between.

Cyclical stretching alone is known to produce stress relaxation to its maximum with no more than ten repetitions or so. This combined with the static hold, as best we can, surely makes the manual stretching one of the stress relaxation type elongation exercise.

Static extenders are pure stress relaxation devices , even hanger can be tuned up to be one.
There are guys using the hanger with pulley , adding the lock device to attach the hanger cord to a static position once the load has been applied. There are another possibilities as well.

Thanks

So you think creep can achieve maximum stress relaxation if done properly? Say for example, hanging with only 1.25lbs for 15 minutes?

Ten rounds of cyclical stretches.. how long for the hold and how long between holds?

Originally Posted by Buckfever
The static hold issue is likely also load dependent. Kyrpa has done a real good job of suggesting a quantitative range regarding the load beyond which there is no additional utility if not in fact a negative input up to the point of material failure.

It becomes more a matter of a static hold below a certain load threshold allows for stress relaxation. One needs to consider why it is that stress relaxation to the extent to which it has been compared to creep has yielded better results in the literature.

Also as a practical matter what static devices that are readily available provide a measure of load?

Maybe that’s a factor but anecdotally when reviewing the records here, there seems to be better results reported with spring loaded rather than static devices.

Excellent view on the matter.

Load cells are available. Another issue is how to incorporate it into equipment already at hand, the manual stretching being the outlier in general.
We have made some trials to make it happen.

The creep is relative easy to produce, all you need to do is attach the weight and wait . Producing stress relaxation is all up to more delicate measures.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Thanks

So you think creep can achieve maximum stress relaxation if done properly? Say for example, hanging with only 1.25lbs for 15 minutes?

Ten rounds of cyclical stretches.. how long for the hold and how long between holds?

No. Your example is purely for creep.

Creep don´t produce stress relaxation and neither is stress relaxation producing creep.
They are two separate, differently working mechanisms of producing strain,or elongation, or displacement in different terms.

The duration is always relative to the load used and more further to the tissue temperature.
Low level load and longer duration stretch is always a good guideline.

If the tissue is heated to the therapeutic temperature then the shorter duration stretches with little more load can do the trick.
I did found the 15 second smoothly ramp up load, 15 sec hold, 15 sec rest making the difference on the elongation with heated tissue.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
No. Your example is purely for creep.

Creep don´t produce stress relaxation and neither is stress relaxation producing creep.
They are two separate, differently working mechanisms of producing strain,or elongation, or displacement in different terms.

The duration is always relative to the load used and more further to the tissue temperature.
Low level load and longer duration stretch is always a good guideline.

If the tissue is heated to the therapeutic temperature then the shorter duration stretches with little more load can do the trick.
I did found the 15 second smoothly ramp up load, 15 sec hold, 15 sec rest making the difference on the elongation with heated tissue.

So your warm-up is ten rounds of 15 second manual stretch, 15 second hold, 15 second rest - under heat? I thought you only used best during the US portion of your routine?

If you guys search “stress relaxation” on the site, there are some great threads on this from a decade ago. One guy built his own stress relaxation extender and there are directions in the thread. Costs less then $20. I’m thinking I’ll make one and use it before my sessions.

On a different note, I’m excited because I went ahead and bought the soundcare plus. It arrives Friday. I’m hoping the high intensity 3mhz option will easily heat the internal tissues.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
So your warm-up is ten rounds of 15 second manual stretch, 15 second hold, 15 second rest - under heat? I thought you only used best during the US portion of your routine?

No warm ups included in the protocol.

Instead of the static cooldown after heated stretch, I went to perform these manual stretches with fine outcome.

I was very blister prone with the vacuum so I couldn’ t wear it during cooldown.
In the respective of BPEL gains, I have suspections of the cyclical stretching having positive effect.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
No warm ups included in the protocol.

Instead of the static cooldown after heated stretch, I went to perform these manual stretches with fine outcome.

I was very blister prone with the vacuum so I couldn’ t wear it during cooldown.
In the respective of BPEL gains, I have suspections of the cyclical stretching having positive effect.

So you aren’t following this routine ?

“Currently, the basic foundation of the protocol consists in 1 hour workout per day, 3 days on, 2 days off.
- 30 minutes of stress relaxation
- 20 minutes of US stress relaxation
- 10 minutes of cool down”

If not, what’s yours?

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
So you aren’t following this routine ?

“Currently, the basic foundation of the protocol consists in 1 hour workout per day, 3 days on, 2 days off.
- 30 minutes of stress relaxation
- 20 minutes of US stress relaxation
- 10 minutes of cool down”

If not, what’s yours?

Look. I have posted more than six hundred posts describing the concept and the methods in my progress log. The search can be used for finding my posts only in the log I believe.

The protocol you posted is mine.

The cooldown phase has been produced both ways, with static stretch in the extender or the cyclical manual as described.

In terms of the outcome for the BPFSL gains, results being similar.

For the simultaneous BPEL gains the latter seems better. This is only a suspection as the sample group being small in any case.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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