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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

“ Ideally, you gotta rest your penis over the leg but with as little pressure as possible over the leg. Also do not put unnecessary pressure on the shaft with the transducer. just enough for a good contact. Extra pressure will also flatten the shaft allowing waves to pass directly to the leg.”
-Igigi

This is a helpful tip. I thought we had to press down hard with the transducer(s). Grateful to learn from the trailblazers…


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Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

Originally Posted by Stixman
“ Ideally, you gotta rest your penis over the leg but with as little pressure as possible over the leg. Also do not put unnecessary pressure on the shaft with the transducer. just enough for a good contact. Extra pressure will also flatten the shaft allowing waves to pass directly to the leg.”
-Igigi

This is a helpful tip. I thought we had to press down hard with the transducer(s). Grateful to learn from the trailblazers…

You can find multiple youtube videos that will teach you how to properly use a transducer ;)

Originally Posted by igigi
You can find multiple youtube videos that will teach you how to properly use a transducer ;)

Agreed but I doubt there will be any for our intended use. At least for now….

I am almost done reading and taking notes on this thread and will then start Kyrpa’s from the beginning.
Your thread is on my reading list as well.

I am glad I have put in a lot of time to research and test put a vast array for PE techniques and devices before jumping into the Ultrasound Protocol.

I am very excited to strain my steel cord.

I will begin purchasing my Ultrasound setup tonight.


Starting (07/15/20): BPEL 6.5” BPFSL 6.5” MSEG 4.75” BEG 4.75” BPFL 4.5”

Current (10/27/20): BPEL 7.0” BPFSL 7.5” MSEG 5.0”+ BEG 5.25” BPFL 5.25-5.75”

Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

Question for Krypa, Igigi: I am on my second cycle of using US for heat generation, and I’m still finding it difficult to get consistent heat using two US Pros (going based on feel. What are your thoughts about sitting in a hot water bath and attaching the hanger while underwater to a scale to dial in the tension? Would this be sufficient to generate the needed heat for tissue deformation? I tried it using my vac hanger and the setup is much easier, but I don’t have urethral temp measurements to test. A sous vide machine works great for cooking meats, but I realize there isn’t vascular flow to contend with.

Originally Posted by Sthom
Question for Krypa, Igigi: I am on my second cycle of using US for heat generation, and I’m still finding it difficult to get consistent heat using two US Pros (going based on feel. What are your thoughts about sitting in a hot water bath and attaching the hanger while underwater to a scale to dial in the tension? Would this be sufficient to generate the needed heat for tissue deformation? I tried it using my vac hanger and the setup is much easier, but I don’t have urethral temp measurements to test. A sous vide machine works great for cooking meats, but I realize there isn’t vascular flow to contend with.

Hot water works extremely well, but you need to make sure the water itself stays at the needed temperature before thinking about putting yourself in it. Because it will take some time for the internal tissues of the penis to reach target temperature.

A regular bathtub cool down rather fast. It would have to be a Jacuzzi, unless you have a way to constantly keep the hot water recirculating in the bathtub, assuming the water comes out hot enough from the pipe.

I am hoping someone can help clarify “stress relaxation”. I am a little confused.

The post below does help me understand a general guideline in the amount of force to apply:

Kyrpa - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

I would like to use my Totalman Extender to perform the first step of the protocol, Stress Relaxation without Ultrasound. I attached a couple of pictures.

1) Should I remove the springs to achieve “stress relaxation” to make it a static extender or should I keep the springs on so that it is a traction extender?

2). During the first phase of the protocol, I will use a digital scale to find the load/force. As my Dick relaxes, I am assuming the force will decrease. If this is correct, should I then increase the load to maintain the initial load and possibly add a little more load?
The load would be increased by tightening the adjusting nuts which increase the distance of the stretch.

3). If we readjust the length of the extended to maintain the applied load/force as our Dick relaxes, is this still “Stress Relaxation” or is this considered “Creep”? If it is a traction extender with springs is used is this considered “Creep”?
Can “Creep”, while less desirable for the ultrasound protocol, be achieve using a static extender (no springs) and increasing the force every few mins so it is increasing to a force more than the initial force applied?
Can “Creep, while using a traction extender with springs, be achieved?

Thanks in advance for helping me understand this better.

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Starting (07/15/20): BPEL 6.5” BPFSL 6.5” MSEG 4.75” BEG 4.75” BPFL 4.5”

Current (10/27/20): BPEL 7.0” BPFSL 7.5” MSEG 5.0”+ BEG 5.25” BPFL 5.25-5.75”

Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

Originally Posted by Stixman
I am hoping someone can help clarify “stress relaxation”. I am a little confused.

The post below does help me understand a general guideline in the amount of force to apply:

Kyrpa - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

I would like to use my Totalman Extender to perform the first step of the protocol, Stress Relaxation without Ultrasound. I attached a couple of pictures.

1) Should I remove the springs to achieve “stress relaxation” to make it a static extender or should I keep the springs on so that it is a traction extender?

2). During the first phase of the protocol, I will use a digital scale to find the load/force. As my Dick relaxes, I am assuming the force will decrease. If this is correct, should I then increase the load to maintain the initial load and possibly add a little more load?
The load would be increased by tightening the adjusting nuts which increase the distance of the stretch.

3). If we readjust the length of the extended to maintain the applied load/force as our Dick relaxes, is this still “Stress Relaxation” or is this considered “Creep”? If it is a traction extender with springs is used is this considered “Creep”?
Can “Creep”, while less desirable for the ultrasound protocol, be achieve using a static extender (no springs) and increasing the force every few mins so it is increasing to a force more than the initial force applied?
Can “Creep, while using a traction extender with springs, be achieved?

Thanks in advance for helping me understand this better.

Every form of continuously pulling load application is for creep.

Every method allowing to lock the length position once loaded is for SR.
That is if the another end is not moving either.

You can use creep if you chose to, elongation wise there is hard to find difference.
I found the benefits from SR though.
Which were less tissue fatigue and shorter duration for the given elongation.
In general it should be fine pre-exercise prior the heated maximal effort.

I attached a drawing illustrating different scenarios presenting creep or SR.

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When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Good questions Stixman - I have some Totalman gear too, looking forward to using the heat wrap for warm up.


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Originally Posted by Rocco25
Hey Stix,
check out this one: Rocco25 - Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

I tried to explain the difference between SR and creep by a graph.

Maybe it helps you.

Thanks Rocco. This is one of the posts which originally helped and confused me a bit. I was also extremely tired when I first read it. Based on the clarifications and sketch Kyrpa just posted, I will reread your link a few times and further digest it.


Starting (07/15/20): BPEL 6.5” BPFSL 6.5” MSEG 4.75” BEG 4.75” BPFL 4.5”

Current (10/27/20): BPEL 7.0” BPFSL 7.5” MSEG 5.0”+ BEG 5.25” BPFL 5.25-5.75”

Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Every form of continuously pulling load application is for creep.

Every method allowing to lock the length position once loaded is for SR.
That is if the another end is not moving either.

You can use creep if you chose to, elongation wise there is hard to find difference.
I found the benefits from SR though.
Which were less tissue fatigue and shorter duration for the given elongation.
In general it should be fine pre-exercise prior the heated maximal effort.

I attached a drawing illustrating different scenarios presenting creep or SR.

Thank You for this sketch. This helps clarify things tremendously!!! I will now go back to some of the prior posts so I can digest more. I believe I will have more questions surrounding this but let me first see if I can digest the prior posts better first.

I suppose my main question with Stress Relaxation, for the 3 stages of the Ultrasound Protocol, is that I am assuming once a fixed length position is set, our dicks relax into the position as they are stretched and the as this happens, the force registered by our digital scale will decrease (waiting for mine to arrive in the mail). Is this a correct statement?

While we might change the fixed (locked) length of our device (apparatus) between the 3 stages of the Ultrasound Protocol, when we are in the first stage of the protocol do we change the length of our device as the tissue releases after some time?

While we are on 2nd stage of the protocol, and add Ultrasound heat to the Stress Relaxation (at a higher force than we applied at the 1st stage without Ultrasound), do we keep our device at one fixed length (position) for the entire time of this part of the protocol or are we making one or more changes to the length (locked position) of our device (apparatus)?

Much Appreciated


Starting (07/15/20): BPEL 6.5” BPFSL 6.5” MSEG 4.75” BEG 4.75” BPFL 4.5”

Current (10/27/20): BPEL 7.0” BPFSL 7.5” MSEG 5.0”+ BEG 5.25” BPFL 5.25-5.75”

Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

My first post, and dual transducers of different frequencies

Hello all,

This is my first post on this site after lurking for a while, and let me start by saying: truly valiant efforts displayed here on a novel approach to PE. Very dense stuff, but the benefits seem to far outweigh the headache of trying to understand all of the science and techniques involved in this US approach. This thread has been a joyous and exciting read thus far.

I’ve actually done a US routine in the past (two cycles) after superficially skimming this thread and longerstretch’s, and I’m ashamed to admit I didn’t read nor care about the science, I just wanted results. This led me to cherry pick the details of a routine, and proceed to immediately and largely ignore the recommendations and create my own based off of the three-step routine discussed here (arbitrary load amounts and times, what I thought was SR but was actually “creep”, etc).

Foolish, indeed. But I was naive and have resolved myself to do it right this time around, starting with all the required readings. Fortunately for me, even with my unscientific, impatient, and overly-strenuous approach, I have gained with this method, so I’m hoping to gain even more with correct procedures. I did keep a log of my past cycles, although they aren’t good for anything aside from showing personal progress in the numbers - too many variables and errors to be useful in crowd-sourced data.

In addition to a vetted routine this time around, I will be keeping a log and using the excel template provided here to help with the data being collected.

I’m sure I’ll have plenty of questions along the way, and here is my first: in my earlier stints, I opted for the Delta 3MHz machine from India, which I now see is largely unreliable. However, it was effective for me to a certain extent, though the exact degree is not known (did not record temps, and hung straight down). I just purchased the US Pro 2000 2nd ed., and I was going to opt for two for the dual transducer setup to easier keep temps at therapeutic levels, but then I got to thinking: can I use my 3MHz machine and 1MHz simultaneously, given they are spaced apart and heating different halves of the shaft? Or, should I nix that idea and just use two US Pros? My apologies if this has been asked before, but I did not see any related questions.

My plan was to attempt this, and measure temps, to see if it’s effective (while also learning how (in)effective my Delta machine is). If it doesn’t yield the results I’m expecting, I was going to purchase a second US Pro.

Thrilled to be here, and much respect for the pioneers blazing trails in this approach!

Originally Posted by Stixman
Thanks Rocco. This is one of the posts which originally helped and confused me a bit. I was also extremely tired when I first read it. Based on the clarifications and sketch Kyrpa just posted, I will reread your link a few times and further digest it.

That’s too bad that my attempt at clarification confused you. I’m really sorry about that. The graph is supposed to show the 1st phase (cold relaxation). You start with a low load (0.5 kg, for example), then you fix the length and the stress decreases in your device. After 5 minutes, you release the fixation, increase the load by, for example, 0.5 kg to 1 kg and fix the new length again so that the load in the shaft can reduce again. You do this until you have reached your originally determined “sweet spot”. Kyrpä has already explained its determination several times.
It is recommended to keep the length, which adjusts with the “sweet spot” load, the last 10 min of the cold relaxation.

Originally Posted by Stixman
I suppose my main question with Stress Relaxation, for the 3 stages of the Ultrasound Protocol, is that I am assuming once a fixed length position is set, our dicks relax into the position as they are stretched and as this happens, the force registered by our digital scale will decrease (waiting for mine to arrive in the mail). I suppose my main question with Stress Relaxation, for the 3 stages of the Ultrasound Protocol, is that I am assuming once a fixed length position is set, our dicks relax into the position as they are stretched and as this happens, the force registered by our digital scale will decrease (waiting for mine to arrive in the mail). Is this a correct statement?

Yes

Originally Posted by Stixman
While we might change the fixed (locked) length of our device (apparatus) between the 3 stages of the Ultrasound Protocol, when we are in the first stage of the protocol do we change the length of our device as the tissue releases after some time?

Yes! That’s what I described above in this post.

Originally Posted by Stixman
While we are on 2nd stage of the protocol, and add Ultrasound heat to the Stress Relaxation (at a higher force than we applied at the 1st stage without Ultrasound), do we keep our device at one fixed length (position) for the entire time of this part of the protocol or are we making one or more changes to the length (locked position) of our device (apparatus)?

Here I can’t give you a sure answer, because I have worked with creep. Kyrpä or igigi know this better than me in any case.If you would ask me for my opinion, I would loosen the fixation after 10 min, thus apply the full load again and fix again with the new length. But let the guys sort it out to be sure I’m not spreading bullshit here.

Originally Posted by 8mileD
Hello all,

This is my first post on this site after lurking for a while, and let me start by saying: truly valiant efforts displayed here on a novel approach to PE. Very dense stuff, but the benefits seem to far outweigh the headache of trying to understand all of the science and techniques involved in this US approach. This thread has been a joyous and exciting read thus far.

I’ve actually done a US routine in the past (two cycles) after superficially skimming this thread and longerstretch’s, and I’m ashamed to admit I didn’t read nor care about the science, I just wanted results. This led me to cherry pick the details of a routine, and proceed to immediately and largely ignore the recommendations and create my own based off of the three-step routine discussed here (arbitrary load amounts and times, what I thought was SR but was actually “creep”, etc).

Foolish, indeed. But I was naive and have resolved myself to do it right this time around, starting with all the required readings. Fortunately for me, even with my unscientific, impatient, and overly-strenuous approach, I have gained with this method, so I’m hoping to gain even more with correct procedures. I did keep a log of my past cycles, although they aren’t good for anything aside from showing personal progress in the numbers - too many variables and errors to be useful in crowd-sourced data.

In addition to a vetted routine this time around, I will be keeping a log and using the excel template provided here to help with the data being collected.

I’m sure I’ll have plenty of questions along the way, and here is my first: in my earlier stints, I opted for the Delta 3MHz machine from India, which I now see is largely unreliable. However, it was effective for me to a certain extent, though the exact degree is not known (did not record temps, and hung straight down). I just purchased the US Pro 2000 2nd ed., and I was going to opt for two for the dual transducer setup to easier keep temps at therapeutic levels, but then I got to thinking: can I use my 3MHz machine and 1MHz simultaneously, given they are spaced apart and heating different halves of the shaft? Or, should I nix that idea and just use two US Pros? My apologies if this has been asked before, but I did not see any related questions.

My plan was to attempt this, and measure temps, to see if it’s effective (while also learning how (in)effective my Delta machine is). If it doesn’t yield the results I’m expecting, I was going to purchase a second US Pro.

Thrilled to be here, and much respect for the pioneers blazing trails in this approach!

Great first post my friend. I am glad you are committed to do it the right way this time. Once you see your progress and results, you wont regret putting all that time to read and learn pages and pages of knowledge. In fact, you will become so much interested in digging more and more.

To answer your question about transducers, at the end of the day all it matter is temperature. As long as the tissues we need to stretch reach the therapeutic zone, that is all you need, regardless of the method. Granted, it has to be an efficient method. Because sure, technically you could sit in the balcony with a magnifying glass trying to heat your dick to 40 degrees, you might make it, but it will take you probably the whole day. So as long as the methods are efficient and quantifiable, that all it matters.

With that being said, get a good set of thermocouples. I have had great success using it, I use them in every workout, and I stick every thermocouple (4 in total) exactly on top of the septum evenly split apart. It helps tremendously to focus the heat to those specific points, knowing that those exact points are the septum.

I believe by monitoring temperature spread apart that way, I have reduced the time needed to reach target temperature to 4-5 minutes. So again, whatever way you try it, measure temp and that will tell you if its working or not.

Originally Posted by igigi
With that being said, get a good set of thermocouples. I have had great success using it, I use them in every workout, and I stick every thermocouple (4 in total) exactly on top of the septum evenly split apart. It helps tremendously to focus the heat to those specific points, knowing that those exact points are the septum.

I believe by monitoring temperature spread apart that way, I have reduced the time needed to reach target temperature to 4-5 minutes. So again, whatever way you try it, measure temp and that will tell you if its working or not.

igigi, I guess it’s adequat to refer to your post: igigi - Igigi’s quest for the foot long with UltraSound Therapy

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