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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

As I could not manage to get US anytime soon, can I instead use rice sock or hot water bottle for stress relaxation?


Start 14x11.5cm (05/2020)

Current 18x12.5cm (06/2021)

Goal 20x13.5cm

Originally Posted by steeldek
As I could not manage to get US anytime soon, can I instead use rice sock or hot water bottle for stress relaxation?

Surely you can. And for some it is all needed for steady decent gains. Hopefully for you as well.

Then there is group of men like me, really struggling to have any impact.
For some of us the ultrasound use has been a ticket from non gainer to extremely fast gain rate.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73

On a different note, I’m excited because I went ahead and bought the soundcare plus. It arrives Friday. I’m hoping the high intensity 3mhz option will easily heat the internal tissues.

Great news. It is a fine choice. Start cautiously working with it.

I am certain you will find an effective range without going all in.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Look. I have posted more than six hundred posts describing the concept and the methods in my progress log. The search can be used for finding my posts only in the log I believe.

The protocol you posted is mine.

The cooldown phase has been produced both ways, with static stretch in the extender or the cyclical manual as described.

In terms of the outcome for the BPFSL gains, results being similar.

For the simultaneous BPEL gains the latter seems better. This is only a suspection as the sample group being small in any case.

I’m confused. Perhaps the error was mine. Previously I asked whether you were using the cyclic stretching as your “warm up” before US. You responded that you do not do any warm up. Now, by “warm up” what I meant was the phase before US, the stress relaxation phase. But I think you may have interpreted me literally as talking about a “pre-heat” before the US.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I’m confused. Perhaps the error was mine. Previously I asked whether you were using the cyclic stretching as your “warm up” before US. You responded that you do not do any warm up. Now, by “warm up” what I meant was the phase before US, the stress relaxation phase. But I think you may have interpreted me literally as talking about a “pre-heat” before the US.

No worries, after all it is now cleared and understood, I suppose.

The protocol has three phases, each one of them are basically build around the stress relaxation phenomenon more than for the creep, if we look deep enough on the principles used.

At the first phase it is easiest to see of course.
At second phase the heat does the trick, it increases stress relaxation properties of the tissue with significant amount. No matter the load being constant it is the tissue characteristics altered with the heat.

The third phase is pure stress relaxation exercise if we leave the penis in the elongated state, at static position at the elevated temperature. When the temperature drops the tissue tries to shrink, but is not allowed.
We can see the tension rising by looking at the load cell readings. After a while the tension subsides, the load drops, it is the stress relaxation showcase if any.

If the third phase is performed replacing the static hold with the cyclical stretching it is the repetitive loading making sure the viscoelastic properties of the tissue subsiding resulting the stress relaxation.

As I recently stated, producing creep is easy, you load the tissue and wait the tissue elongating to its maximum potential for the given time.

Producing stress relaxation is a case of using more delicate measures.

The nicest thing is that the knowledge is out there for everyone to explore.

Some of it is already here in the layers of PE catalog, some ignored, some used without knowing what is actually happening.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
I’m confused. Perhaps the error was mine. Previously I asked whether you were using the cyclic stretching as your “warm up” before US. You responded that you do not do any warm up. Now, by “warm up” what I meant was the phase before US, the stress relaxation phase. But I think you may have interpreted me literally as talking about a “pre-heat” before the US.

Perhaps I was eager to swallow the bate as well. It is just that there is no warm- up as such. It is an active work phase already, and important as well.
There is no just-cooldown in the similar terms either, it is an active and crucial phase of tissue manipulation as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Ok cool.

Today I built this stress relaxation device to use during my sessions.

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Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
If you guys search “stress relaxation” on the site, there are some great threads on this from a decade ago. One guy built his own stress relaxation extender and there are directions in the thread. Costs less then $20. I’m thinking I’ll make one and use it before my sessions.

On a different note, I’m excited because I went ahead and bought the soundcare plus. It arrives Friday. I’m hoping the high intensity 3mhz option will easily heat the internal tissues.

Soundcare plus is an excellent piece of equipment. The real benefit is that you can heat the septum on the dorsal side without needing to twist the penis to reach the septum through the ventral side. Do not worry about “tissues”, this approach is primarily to extend the septum which is the ultimate dead end, the limiting factor for BPFSL, and as a consequence, BPEL.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by steeldek
As I could not manage to get US anytime soon, can I instead use rice sock or hot water bottle for stress relaxation?

You can, but is unreliable and hard to quantify. Ideally you need to measure temperature if you are trying to heat up the tissues to therapeutic zone. If you dont measure, then it applies the old quote “better than nothing” But that is just bro-science, quackery.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Ok cool.

Today I built this stress relaxation device to use during my sessions.

Great job brother!

The traction type device makes it way more accurate to monitor strain and tension. But it makes it more difficult to use the Ultrasound due to the fact that the sound waves leak to the other side of the penis. I haven’t tested that myself, but one of these days I need to just for the hell of it heat up my dick stretched out while having a couple of thermocouples on the other side and see the result. Perhaps I am able to still reach target temperature without using my leg as backing medium.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Ok cool.

Today I built this stress relaxation device to use during my sessions.

Maybe change to a wingnut so that applying tension would be easier?


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Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Ok cool.

Today I built this stress relaxation device to use during my sessions.

As mentioned by Igigi and Buckfever, the difficulty of controlling the load can be the crucial thing keeping you not elongating the tissue as you wish.

It is very easy to tighten the nuts excessively.
At the moment the tissue stiffens you may accidentally increase the load well beyond the target range. Severeral lbs or even kg easily.

Here is what I suggest for you to do, is to purchase pair of springs, for which you can confirm the spring force. The load is linear with the compression of the springs.

By the squish level of the springs you can determine the load and then use the locking knobs or nuts to lock the crate at the position.

For the cooldown part the springs can be squished completely against the crate.

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START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa keeps eluding or warning about this. It’s anecdotal but you see so many examples of this particularly with hanging, reports of gains with creep taken quickly to extreme loads and then full stop halt of gains, with progress never to return. And many of these reports indicating extensive long run effort, it was not for the lack of trying.

Erectile function is essential to survival. It would seem inconceivable that a protective adaptation to excessive load to not have developed.


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Kyrpa - sweet design! Ingenious!!

I just ordered some springs and washers. They’ll be here tomorrow to make the modification.

Buckfever - thanks for reminding me man, when I was at home depot I tried to get a wingnut but it didn’t fit, so I just added a couple to my Amazon order

As a side note, Ive been thinking about PE theory lately. I came up with an analogy. In bodybuilding, there is something called “the pump.” Basically, it has to do with how large the muscle gets temporarily during the workout. Now in bodybuilding, the pump itself isn’t necessarily the best indicator of growth. What you really need is progressive overload - more and more weight for more and more reps. The pump is good, but it’s not the primary thing. But with PE, if we think about BPSFL as “the pump”, and if we make maximal stress relaxation and maximal BPSFL during the session as our main goal, then it does seem that for PE, unlike for bodybuilding, “the pump” (ie the temporary increase in size during the training session) is the best driver of long-term growth.

Originally Posted by BiggerPenis73
Kyrpa - sweet design! Ingenious!!

I just ordered some springs and washers. They’ll be here tomorrow to make the modification.

Buckfever - thanks for reminding me man, when I was at home depot I tried to get a wingnut but it didn’t fit, so I just added a couple to my Amazon order

As a side note, Ive been thinking about PE theory lately. I came up with an analogy. In bodybuilding, there is something called “the pump.” Basically, it has to do with how large the muscle gets temporarily during the workout. Now in bodybuilding, the pump itself isn’t necessarily the best indicator of growth. What you really need is progressive overload - more and more weight for more and more reps. The pump is good, but it’s not the primary thing. But with PE, if we think about BPSFL as “the pump”, and if we make maximal stress relaxation and maximal BPSFL during the session as our main goal, then it does seem that for PE, unlike for bodybuilding, “the pump” (ie the temporary increase in size during the training session) is the best driver of long-term growth.

You are welcome, plenty more where that came from.

You sound like a man on the mission. I really hope your determination will be awarded.

I think you have encapsulated the divider between bodybuilding and PE very closely on this one.
When building muscle we are making it happen by making the muscle stronger, and as a co-product our tendons and ligaments do strengthen significantly.
In PE we just can´t afford allow that to happen , and by using excessive loads and and work hours we will inevitably do so.

What we need is to elongate these connective tissue structures with the least amount of load and working hours we possibly can.
This is unique characteristic of PE, avoiding the strengthening of the structures. At least it should be for everyone.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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