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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

With regards to “easy to direct away from the no-go places”, I am envisioning the usage of ultrasound at the bottom of the shaft, which is right next to the balls. Where exactly on the shaft should the device stop? Or even besides the balls, aren’t there other important organs near there? I’ve seen people say they put their penis on their leg to use the device, but even doing that it seems like by the time you get closer to the base, you’d still might be hitting something important inside your body in that lower abdominal region.

If it is safe, the science does seem good, but it’s strange there’s no picture proof from anyone doing this (that I can find). If this is really the best way to do PE, some kind of visual proof should exist by now and way more people should be doing it. The device is not too expensive, but still not something I want to just waste money on.

Originally Posted by Escando
With regards to “easy to direct away from the no-go places”, I am envisioning the usage of ultrasound at the bottom of the shaft, which is right next to the balls. Where exactly on the shaft should the device stop? Or even besides the balls, aren’t there other important organs near there? I’ve seen people say they put their penis on their leg to use the device, but even doing that it seems like by the time you get closer to the base, you’d still might be hitting something important inside your body in that lower abdominal region.

If it is safe, the science does seem good, but it’s strange there’s no picture proof from anyone doing this (that I can find). If this is really the best way to do PE, some kind of visual proof should exist by now and way more people should be doing it. The device is not too expensive, but still not something I want to just waste money on.


The biggest gainers never show pictures and I don’t know why that is?


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

Originally Posted by Patrik_16
The biggest gainers never show pictures and I don’t know why that is?

You must mean BiB on length and BigGirtha on you no what. Most of the rest have been more like the mortal population.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Escando
With regards to “easy to direct away from the no-go places”, I am envisioning the usage of ultrasound at the bottom of the shaft, which is right next to the balls. Where exactly on the shaft should the device stop? Or even besides the balls, aren’t there other important organs near there? I’ve seen people say they put their penis on their leg to use the device, but even doing that it seems like by the time you get closer to the base, you’d still might be hitting something important inside your body in that lower abdominal region.

If it is safe, the science does seem good, but it’s strange there’s no picture proof from anyone doing this (that I can find). If this is really the best way to do PE, some kind of visual proof should exist by now and way more people should be doing it. The device is not too expensive, but still not something I want to just waste money on.

I can hear your concerns and taking them seriously despite the ambiguous reply.

Making it safe it is better not to use it below the pubic bone level. If applied véntrally you feel the heat generating when the wavefront is reflecting from the pubic bone.
Working at the base we can always apply the US laterally on the sides, pointing the wavefront away from the abdomen wall. I am sure there are ways to minimize the risks for you as well

Did you catch the reply concerning the collimated wavefront?

Not that many have taken this course yet. Not all of them have used it as it should. Frankly, my friend, I do believe this is not the way everyone can do it properly.

The best way of PE? I don´t have a clue if it is or not. And for who is another question as well.

I can only answer from my perspective. I did not expect the thing to get in this kind of proportions. Never went into this with the idea of proving or disproving anything.
I was not prepared for it and honestly don´t care if the information produced still continues to be taken seriously or not.

I am curious to hear how you can judge from the pictures if the person has got his gains because of the US or despite of it?

I can see you pondering if taking the route or not. You may need to hang on for a while to see what these guys on the protocol are up to.
I can´t help but you are speaking in the manner the salesmen trailing on your heels. Relax, no one is selling you a thing. You either buy it for the need or leave it. Each way is fine.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I am curious to hear how you can judge from the pictures if the person has got his gains because of the US or despite of it?

If someone was doing PE for a long time and not getting many gains, but then started using US and quickly gained an inch (as iggy has claimed, and your own claims using US are faster than most), then logically it would be obvious the gains are because of ultrasound. But online claims of gains are nearly worthless without picture proof. Anyone can write anything on the internet. Most helpful would actually be people filming their measurements and also entire PE sets. There’s not nearly enough of that out there yet. Being able to visually see the safest and most effective way of doing something, and clear proof of it working, is usually the best way to go about anything like this in life.

Photos are simple to fake. If you are relying on photos to give you confidence to begin, you may be waiting for a long time.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.5” BPEL; 7” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

I have stated this before, and I will repeat it again. The reason why I do not post pictures is because of so many perverts in this sports these days. I am straight like an arrow and I have no interest in feeding the lust or perversion of another dude.

This is not what it used to be back in the day. Many years ago it was a hermetic world, underground forums, where we were all brothers sharing our knowledge and experiments. Today, of course we have great people, but at the same time it has become a magnet for perverts.

I have had many guys asking me for full body pictures for “motivation” purposes, or pictures of my dick.

Will I ever post a pic? Yes I will, and I have done it before throughout the years, those who are good at this can find them here or at MOS. Probably once I reach 10 inches of BPFSL I will post one next to the ruler. I have many naked artistic pics of photoshoots that I would never share here or in private. And I mention that because I love nudity in an artistic way, and I wouldn’t have a problem posting pics of progress like we used to do many years ago, if the conditions were appropriate.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Escando
If someone was doing PE for a long time and not getting many gains, but then started using US and quickly gained an inch (as iggy has claimed, and your own claims using US are faster than most), then logically it would be obvious the gains are because of ultrasound. But online claims of gains are nearly worthless without picture proof. Anyone can write anything on the internet. Most helpful would actually be people filming their measurements and also entire PE sets. There’s not nearly enough of that out there yet. Being able to visually see the safest and most effective way of doing something, and clear proof of it working, is usually the best way to go about anything like this in life.

You’re too new to this. The reason why me and many others are trying different methods without having to see other guys dicks is because we’ve been in this for a long time. And when you see scientific research about the behavior of different tissues and understand it, that is pretty much all the proof you need right there.

I am positive if you start reading and enjoying all the threads related to US and understanding the technology behind and how interact with human tissue, you would be so excited about it that you would prepare your setup and try it in no time.

Some day I am sure we will have like a step by step guide for newbies but it will take a long time for that. We are still working with too many variables and experimentation to consolidate and standardize a more one-size-fit-all approach.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Escando
If someone was doing PE for a long time and not getting many gains, but then started using US and quickly gained an inch (as iggy has claimed, and your own claims using US are faster than most), then logically it would be obvious the gains are because of ultrasound. But online claims of gains are nearly worthless without picture proof. Anyone can write anything on the internet. Most helpful would actually be people filming their measurements and also entire PE sets. There’s not nearly enough of that out there yet. Being able to visually see the safest and most effective way of doing something, and clear proof of it working, is usually the best way to go about anything like this in life.

I hope you find the confirmation you need from your own basis. No one is obliged in providing it.

You see, this is not a race. Either it is not a platform for marketing. We report the process we have and share the information found.

There are always someone wanting a proof of, someone claiming having the proof.

The thing is we are not able to prove anything about the PE until our units are examined.
Without clinical and histological examinations the whole thing remains a plethora of anecdots,
Practical science at best.

I can understand you though. I am sure there will be someone posting the pics you are after at some point.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

My Transducers should arrive on Friday.
I have most of the other gear to emulate the tools and equipment required for the protocol (load cell, 4 port “K” thermometer. gel, phantoms, pulley, clamp, etc).
Still need to place an order for smaller weights and metric rulers. Still need to rig up my pulley system.

I have posted pics in the past and will post more as I document my Ultrasound campaigns and campaigns to then fill in the new BPFSL with BPEL


Starting (07/15/20): BPEL 6.5” BPFSL 6.5” MSEG 4.75” BEG 4.75” BPFL 4.5”

Current (10/27/20): BPEL 7.0” BPFSL 7.5” MSEG 5.0”+ BEG 5.25” BPFL 5.25-5.75”

Goal: BPEL 7.5” MSEG 5.5” BEG 6.0” BPFL 6.5”

Originally Posted by igigi
You’re too new to this.

I’ve been here for 17 years. Seen all kinds of ridiculous measurements and claims, and people trying to sell products.

The most important thing to me with PE is not making my dick less attractive or causing any kind of health-related damage. I want to be sure what I’m doing to myself is going to maintain a beautiful looking penis, and that if there’s risk of injury it will only be temporary, something that will heal up quick. I’ve had injuries over the years, not just from PE but also some quite aggressive sexual encounters, and it always causes me anxiety. The people who’ve been big adventurers in PE and found effective and safe methods are to be commended, but I don’t want to be the extreme experiment.

About proof, you’re certainly free to do as you wish, but it’s a fallacy to say you don’t show any evidence simply because of “perverts” existing. First of all, you are already considered the pervert by mainstream society, by putting extreme effort into PE, constantly talking to strangers about it, and self-promoting your dick (a method of ego boosting, whether intended or not). Secondly, neither you or anyone else gets negatively affected by sharing proof (assuming you’re being truthful); you’re definitely already going to be asked for proof anyway when you claim to have a 9.5 inch dick and the gains you say. The most negative thing would be to strangely call other people perverts like you’ve now done.

So really there’s just 3 actual reasons why someone wouldn’t want to show proof if they are already taking the time to constantly measure and talk on a forum:

1. Having a camera-shy hangup that doesn’t allow full measurement to be simultaneously taken, or fear of body judgement.
2. A specific tattoo or feature that might reduce anonymity.
3. They are lying.

Originally Posted by Escando

The most important thing to me with PE is not making my dick less attractive or causing any kind of health-related damage. I want to be sure what I’m doing to myself is going to maintain a beautiful looking penis, and that if there’s risk of injury it will only be temporary, something that will heal up quick. I’ve had injuries over the years, not just from PE but also some quite aggressive sexual encounters, and it always causes me anxiety. The people who’ve been big adventurers in PE and found effective and safe methods are to be commended, but I don’t want to be the extreme experiment.

Now you have come to a right place. The aim is the same, healthy by the looks and well functioning one at the same time.

The heat and the nonthermal effects for tissue regeneration provided by the US will support your cause. Not the opposite you are afraid of.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

@escando

If you’ve been here for 17 years, you should be able to sort through the info and make a reasonable judgment on veracity of claims. Pictures aren’t needed and are actually less reliable than detailed description of progress. I don’t understand what you gain by directly challenging someone on their own thread, besides simply feeding the impulse to troll someone.

In any case, nobody here is trying to sell you anything. Making demands from those whom are simply offering their perspective for free is peculiar. If someone is trying to sell you something, the burden is on them to demonstrate effectiveness. If they aren’t selling something, the burden is fully on you to judge from the info posted.

My opinion is that the proper starting point for PE is to align efforts with existing science on tissues at other locations of the body which have been extensively studied over decades. PE methods counter to that research are highly suspect. Kyrpa and others have linked much of this research throughout the various threads. The preponderance of scientific literature more strongly supports slow low-load heated strain than any of the other methods and techniques throughout this site. The burden is then on everyone else here to prove that their crude methods of arbitrarily tugging on their penises are more effective than decades worth of peer reviewed scientific literature.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Pictures aren’t needed and are actually less reliable than detailed description of progress.

This statement isn’t accurate. If Bib and Girtha actually showed pictures, things would be different. Did Bib really grow 4inches? No ten inch dick pic to show for it. Did Girtha really grow 2inches of girth? No huge 7inch girth pic to prove it.

So do pictures matter? Are they needed? I personally feel that in this community they are needed and matter a lot when it comes to huge claims. We need to be honest and realistic with one another on what is attainable and what is not.


From my point of view , THE JEDI ARE EVIL!

Originally Posted by MHedberg
This statement isn’t accurate. If Bib and Girtha actually showed pictures, things would be different. Did Bib really grow 4inches? No ten inch dick pic to show for it. Did Girtha really grow 2inches of girth? No huge 7inch girth pic to prove it.

So do pictures matter? Are they needed? I personally feel that in this community they are needed and matter a lot when it comes to huge claims. We need to be honest and realistic with one another on what is attainable and what is not.

That misses the point. Anyone with reasonable photo editing practice can easily fake the pictures. When you see that photo evidence, you are 100% relying on the trustworthiness of the poster. What’s the difference between trusting their picture and trusting their verbal claims?

Conversely, a long sequential series of measurement data posted in real-time with sufficient commentary allowing for reproduction of results at small intervals is much more reliable. This is precisely why scientific journals don’t consider pictures with purported results sufficient. The important part is not the pictures, its the methods, the data, and the discussion.

I know that Bib and others are sort of heroes here, but I don’t think their stories hold any value for anyone here. Their methods don’t align with the considerable scientific literature on tissue remodeling and manipulation. Even if they did achieve the proposed results, they did so despite terribly flawed methods. Why would anyone choose to follow that knowing there is a much better way that doesn’t require a life devoted to constant PE and often extreme risk? And IMO, outside of the rare diagnosable micropenis do we really need to convince ourselves that 4” growth is realistic? The vast majority here start at about 5.5-6.5” and at anything around 7.5+ will be large enough that a question of whether another 2 inches is possible really doesn’t matter in a practical sense. IOW, if someone started at 6” and can only gain 2” and he then gets upset because someone led him to believe 4” was realistic, I’m going to tell him to grow up, reprioritize and enjoy his life. He went from average to top 1% and is whining about it?

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