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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

My US PRO 2000 2nd Edition arrives soon. Your marketing worked if you are with that company! I’m still not sure exactly how to go about using it, but figured I could make a video for people to review. Using it briefly one time shouldn’t be too damaging if I am doing something wrong, and hopefully the corrections from people here will fix any issues for me to use it safely going forward.

Are you guys sure that example when using electric heating pad wrapped around dick that you cannot reach +40 celcius inside shaft? I have experimented with it so that it’s wrapped around for long time and temperature accumulates slowly to almost unbearable to skin and shaft skin feels very hot. I would imagine that when the heat comes from all directions it must transfer to some depth and not only skin?

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Are you guys sure that example when using electric heating pad wrapped around dick that you cannot reach +40 celcius inside shaft? I have experimented with it so that it’s wrapped around for long time and temperature accumulates slowly to almost unbearable to skin and shaft skin feels very hot. I would imagine that when the heat comes from all directions it must transfer to some depth and not only skin?

We have only one example of urethral temperature control with a heating pad, Manko007 needed 20 minutes to achieve 40 C at urethra depth. At this point, skin starts to ache and no more temperature raise inside the urethra detected.
Literature supporting the conduction method having diminishing results going deeper.

With any method the body’s own thermoregulatory system being very effective in cooling the penis with highly accelerated blood flow due to the temperature elevation.
I have never in my life detected a pulse on my resting flaccid penis, but at +40°C with the ultrasound, it is clearly present. The 37°C arterial blood flushing through trying to cool down the thing.
BTW the oxygenation of the flaccid penis is really poor, therefore with deep heating, fresh oxygenated blood pouring through makes this a healing event as well.

Restricting the flow with a clamp will make heating efforts more effective, but I emphasize we can run into all sorts of other concerns with the method.
Adding risky variables to already complex practice should rise the risk level therefore choosing an already effective deep heating method makes more sense.

As we know there are plenty of examples of any heating providing better gains for some. At the same time, there are as many not finding help from conventional methods.

No one other than Manko has come up with the numbers with other methods so it makes the speculation pointless.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Are you guys sure that example when using electric heating pad wrapped around dick that you cannot reach +40 celcius inside shaft? I have experimented with it so that it’s wrapped around for long time and temperature accumulates slowly to almost unbearable to skin and shaft skin feels very hot. I would imagine that when the heat comes from all directions it must transfer to some depth and not only skin?

Others here have confirmed with temperature probes inserted in the urethra using various heating methods. If memory serves, no external conductive heat source was able to exceed 38-39C internal temp. The physics makes sense as well. There is constant blood flow through the penis at a temperature of about 37C and the skin acts as a buffer. In order to get the internal temp to 41-42C, you’d have to get the heating pad at the skin surface to about 47C. Those temps will result in burns.

That’s not to say heating pads are bad. At 39C the beneficial effects of heat begin to manifest. It just isn’t optimal.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Others here have confirmed with temperature probes inserted in the urethra using various heating methods. If memory serves, no external conductive heat source was able to exceed 38-39C internal temp. The physics makes sense as well. There is constant blood flow through the penis at a temperature of about 37C and the skin acts as a buffer. In order to get the internal temp to 41-42C, you’d have to get the heating pad at the skin surface to about 47C. Those temps will result in burns.

That’s not to say heating pads are bad. At 39C the beneficial effects of heat begin to manifest. It just isn’t optimal.

Additional words about the skin acting as a buffer,
Checking out the anatomy of the penis, the superficial layers of the shaft have separated from the cavernous tissue blood delivery system.
Trying to heat the penis with conduction or IR, we need to fight the superficial cooling system first.
Getting deeper the cavernous cooling system will show its impressive effectiveness at 41°C at the latest, making any effort to go beyond a challenge.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

That is shame that conduct heating does not work optimal. But it works at some level, better than no heat. I was thinking of buying IR lamp but reading more about it’s effects to skin and deeper tissues I am not very excited about it. Intense IR can cause inflammation in skin and deeper tissues and so on. On the other hand light IR has been shown to have positive effects to skin aging markers.. What do you guys think, is it safe to roast dick with IR radiation? Balls should be somehow very well protected and that is a problem also.

Can anyone tell me which temperature probe was used and was it narrow enough to insert safely into the urethra? The probe I have is about 5mm diameter and I can’t imagine wanting to push that inside me.


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Originally Posted by Table Lamp
Can anyone tell me which temperature probe was used and was it narrow enough to insert safely into the urethra? The probe I have is about 5mm diameter and I can’t imagine wanting to push that inside me.

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IR doesn’t really do any better than heating pad. Same problems. It just cannot penetrate deeply enough. Ultrasound is different in that it is selective to the types of tissues we are trying to heat. It literally passes right through the superficial layers without generating any heat at all. The trickiest part is that some waves want to go all the way through without full energy dissipation into the tissue.

Originally Posted by Table Lamp
Can anyone tell me which temperature probe was used and was it narrow enough to insert safely into the urethra? The probe I have is about 5mm diameter and I can’t imagine wanting to push that inside me.


Rocco did link already the setup post.

We are using flexible thermocouple which is coated DIY style with heat shrink tube.

It is the safest option as solid probes stick deep inside can accidentally cause urethral injury.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I have my US PRO 2000 2nd Edition, used it for a bit on the low setting, and also made a short video that I’ll have to put in the other section. I’m surely not doing it completely correct and still not sure exactly how safe it’s supposed to be going lower down the shaft, especially completely to the base (so I didn’t do it much). One thing I’ve thought of is just putting my dick on a table, but I thought I read somewhere that there has to be flesh underneath the shaft for the waves to penetrate correctly? Not sure. Would like clarification on that, and also which power setting should I be using?

Anyway, using it even not ideally still had an effect, I definitely noticed an especially alert erection last night.

Originally Posted by Tutt
IR doesn’t really do any better than heating pad. Same problems. It just cannot penetrate deeply enough. Ultrasound is different in that it is selective to the types of tissues we are trying to heat. It literally passes right through the superficial layers without generating any heat at all. The trickiest part is that some waves want to go all the way through without full energy dissipation into the tissue.

I have had tremendous success from the beginning with 1Mhz and penis over the leg. Perhaps the thickness of my shaft helps, but even today with 4 thermocouples stick tight over the septum I can pin point and control the temperature at 41 degrees constantly along the septum.

In the case of the IR, I agree and have had that discussion with many people. In order to keep a steady temp of 40-41 degrees inside the penis with an IR lamp, you would need to fry your skin. One scenario in which I believe the IR lamp will be useful, is for my next experimentation for BPEL work. In that case, I will induce a priapism before entering the tube, but the tube will be filled with water at 41 degrees. Then, the IR will be positioned close enough to the tube to keep the water at 41 degrees avoiding direct heat on the skin. While erected, the blood flow inside the CC’s is tremendous and prevents internal structures to remain at 41 degrees, however, since pumping for BPEL is based on tunica, those outer layers I expect them to remain at target temperature. I have to go through a few trials first of course before the complete routine is established.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
I have had tremendous success from the beginning with 1Mhz and penis over the leg. Perhaps the thickness of my shaft helps, but even today with 4 thermocouples stick tight over the septum I can pin point and control the temperature at 41 degrees constantly along the septum.

In the case of the IR, I agree and have had that discussion with many people. In order to keep a steady temp of 40-41 degrees inside the penis with an IR lamp, you would need to fry your skin. One scenario in which I believe the IR lamp will be useful, is for my next experimentation for BPEL work. In that case, I will induce a priapism before entering the tube, but the tube will be filled with water at 41 degrees. Then, the IR will be positioned close enough to the tube to keep the water at 41 degrees avoiding direct heat on the skin. While erected, the blood flow inside the CC’s is tremendous and prevents internal structures to remain at 41 degrees, however, since pumping for BPEL is based on tunica, those outer layers I expect them to remain at target temperature. I have to go through a few trials first of course before the complete routine is established.

Maybe we should discuss the details elsewhere but I think you are not going the benefit a lot from the IR if the water temperature is kept at 41 C by alternating the IR exposure. If so there are a lot easier ways to keep the temperature like a heating pad etc.

If I was you and looking for the full benefits of IR I would go all in and let it shine at maximum all the time instead of alternating the IR exposure.
Then adding a water cooling radiator with a pump for circulating the water for keeping the temperature at 41 - 43C.
Using the water truely for cooling the skin, not for heating.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Maybe we should discuss the details elsewhere but I think you are not going the benefit a lot from the IR if the water temperature is kept at 41 C by alternating the IR exposure. If so there are a lot easier ways to keep the temperature like a heating pad etc.

If I was you and looking for the full benefits of IR I would go all in and let it shine at maximum all the time instead of alternating the IR exposure.
Then adding a water cooling radiator with a pump for circulating the water for keeping the temperature at 41 - 43C.
Using the water truely for cooling the skin, not for heating.

Interesting approach. However, the idea of the IR is solely for heating the water in this case, regardless of other benefits of the IR. Also, the idea is not based on alternating IR exposure, in fact one of the first trials I am going to do is to fill the tube with water at 41 degrees by itself, no penis inside, then expose it to the IR lamp while measuring temp inside the tube. With this, I will determine at which distance the IR lamp has to stay fixed in order to keep the water temperature. Of course the lamp too close, temp will keep rising. Lamp too far, water will slowly cool down. This distance of course will have to be re-calibrated to compensate for a penis inside the tube, but the purpose of the exercise is pretty much to asses the efficacy of the IR lamp as a water heating device. The purpose of using water is to help avoid edema and for better heat distribution.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi

Interesting approach. However, the idea of the IR is solely for heating the water in this case, regardless of other benefits of the IR. Also, the idea is not based on alternating IR exposure, in fact one of the first trials I am going to do is to fill the tube with water at 41 degrees by itself, no penis inside, then expose it to the IR lamp while measuring temp inside the tube. With this, I will determine at which distance the IR lamp has to stay fixed in order to keep the water temperature. Of course the lamp too close, temp will keep rising. Lamp too far, water will slowly cool down. This distance of course will have to be re-calibrated to compensate for a penis inside the tube, but the purpose of the exercise is pretty much to asses the efficacy of the IR lamp as a water heating device. The purpose of using water is to help avoid edema and for better heat distribution.

Then you dont need IR. There are easier ways.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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