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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Then you dont need IR. There are easier ways.

But that is quite easy sitting in bathroom dick inside cylinder and IR lamp heating cylinder and water inside it.
What would be more easier?

Originally Posted by Trapezius
But that is quite easy sitting in bathroom dick inside cylinder and IR lamp heating cylinder and water inside it.
What would be more easier?

Electric heating pad wrapped around.
Thermometer inside the cylinder providing stable conditions without the need for you to monitor it.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Electric heating pad wrapped around.
Thermometer inside the cylinder providing stable conditions without the need for you to monitor it.

Sounds good. Thermostat set to 41 degrees controlling heating pad. Or preferably set to as hot as one can withstand. Because 41 degree water does not translate to 41 degrees inside shaft.

Originally Posted by Trapezius
Sounds good. Thermostat set to 41 degrees controlling heating pad. Or preferably set to as hot as one can withstand. Because 41 degree water does not translate to 41 degrees inside shaft.

Yeah. It sounds.

The delivery is a completely different thing.
I would like to see the numbers.
Urethral temperature readings.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Igigi makes good points about external heat sources being able heat the superficial TA. That is likely true.

However, it isn’t obvious to me yet that this will be a beneficial method. I will await results. Admittedly, I don’t have much interest in pumped strains. The drawbacks to pumping are just too great from my perspective; edema, discoloration, etc. I’m a bit more favorable to restricted length clamping. It makes much more mechanical sense.

I’ve racked my brain for months testing different ways to achieve sufficient girth oriented strains both for girth gains and converting excess BPFSL to BPEL gains. What it keeps coming back to is finding the most optimal method of bundling. The good part is that bundling removes the blood flow so heat is easier to achieve. It does appear that RF may actually be superior to US for this type of work because the RF intensity is more superficial. But it is very difficult to maintain solid even contact. So US shines due to better coupling.

The difficulty so far is calculating the proper load. It isn’t nearly as straightforward as BPFSL. On the one hand we can determine a rough estimate of the crossectional area of the TA, but there isn’t really a good guess on the pillars. I also cannot come up with a reliable way to measure the strain.

None of my other questions have been answered yet, despite even posting a video to make it easy for people to point out things, but maybe this one can be clarified:

Originally Posted by 7by5
As far as I have read this is advertised as a pulse-only tool. This is not going to work for the purposes of PE. You want a 1 - 3MHz, low BNR ultrasound device emitting a continuous beam not a pulsed beam (interval spacing).

Everyone here recommended the US Pro 2000 2nd edition, but in the booklet I received for the device, the Unit Specifications says “Waveform: Pulsed”.

Does “waveform” mean something else? Or does it mean the US Pro 2000 2nd edition is not actually very good? Or.. Does it mean the product changed recently and what I received is different now?

Originally Posted by Tutt
Igigi makes good points about external heat sources being able heat the superficial TA. That is likely true.

However, it isn’t obvious to me yet that this will be a beneficial method. I will await results. Admittedly, I don’t have much interest in pumped strains. The drawbacks to pumping are just too great from my perspective; edema, discoloration, etc. I’m a bit more favorable to restricted length clamping. It makes much more mechanical sense.

Hi Tutt,

At some point in the past I went through all these same questions. The foundation of these issues such as edema and discoloration, is the vacuum pressure. However, if you lower vacuum to avoid those problems, then the approach to stretch the tunica become useless, simply because not enough vacuum is present.

This is why I am trying a different approach: The vacuum pressure is simply fighting the erection mechanism. Instead of assisting an erection, is forcing an erection by sheer volumetrical pressure. As a consequence, as expected, the body will fight this phenomenon by filling up the gap with fluid, while the internal tissues are barely erected to see a benefit from the stretch.

The solution, an assisted priapism. This eliminates the fight between vacuum pressure and flaccid state. By having the penis inside 100% erect to its maximum capacity, you apply a tiny amount of vacuum pressure and all it does, is assisting the tunica to stretch a tiny percentage more to allow space for more blood that is rushing in product of the chemically induced erection.

When we apply a vasodilator, why the penis doesnt keep growing with blood? Because it reach its maximum capacity of internal pressure. Capacity dictated strictly by the tunica. If you were able to very gently slightly push more blood in, it will put stress in the external tissues such as the tunica which will create a strain pattern that eventually will translate into growth. Since we cannot push more blood by force, we can slightly apply vacuum pressure from outside to a penis that is already 100% erect, just enough to provide a little expansion of the tunica that will allow for more blood to fill up from inside, creating the same strain pattern that will translate into growth. This very small amount of vacuum pressure will not be enough to create edema and/or discoloration which is a trauma from broken tiny capillaries and melanin deposits.

Of course this is all speculation, as I mentioned before I need to go through many trials before implementing a routine, and then start assessing results session by session. As you pointed out, transference of temperature into all the internal tissues is not necessary with this approach, because the purpose of this exercise is to promote strain in the tunica which is the outer layer of the penis under the dermis. I believe, and again, tests will show, the tunica will perfectly reach therapeutic temperature with heated water.

The water has many benefits, ranging from a barrier for edema prevention, which in this approach will be close to zero, and a better more efficient distribution of heat. Unless we have a heat source that can target the tunica in a 360 degree fashion, heated water becomes the best alternative.

Although as Kyrpa mentioned a heat pad can do the same, the heat pad will not allow me to control temperature unless I remove it or turn it off while watching the thermometer. Or, it could be a pad with thermostat and auto temperature control, but we are talking about more complexity, expenses. The IR lamp I can simply put it closer or further away to control temperature while of course monitoring the water with a thermometer inside.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi

Although as Kyrpa mentioned a heat pad can do the same, the heat pad will not allow me to control temperature unless I remove it or turn it off while watching the thermometer. Or, it could be a pad with thermostat and auto temperature control, but we are talking about more complexity, expenses. The IR lamp I can simply put it closer or further away to control temperature while of course monitoring the water with a thermometer inside.


You don’t need to watch anything if using a temperature controlled heat pad. The thermocouple wiring which is usually inside the pad, is now stripped out and put inside the water cylinder.
Put it on and relax with the literature and a cup of tea.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by igigi
Hi Tutt,

At some point in the past I went through all these same questions. The foundation of these issues such as edema and discoloration, is the vacuum pressure. However, if you lower vacuum to avoid those problems, then the approach to stretch the tunica become useless, simply because not enough vacuum is present.

This is why I am trying a different approach: The vacuum pressure is simply fighting the erection mechanism. Instead of assisting an erection, is forcing an erection by sheer volumetrical pressure. As a consequence, as expected, the body will fight this phenomenon by filling up the gap with fluid, while the internal tissues are barely erected to see a benefit from the stretch.

The solution, an assisted priapism. This eliminates the fight between vacuum pressure and flaccid state. By having the penis inside 100% erect to its maximum capacity, you apply a tiny amount of vacuum pressure and all it does, is assisting the tunica to stretch a tiny percentage more to allow space for more blood that is rushing in product of the chemically induced erection.

When we apply a vasodilator, why the penis doesnt keep growing with blood? Because it reach its maximum capacity of internal pressure. Capacity dictated strictly by the tunica. If you were able to very gently slightly push more blood in, it will put stress in the external tissues such as the tunica which will create a strain pattern that eventually will translate into growth. Since we cannot push more blood by force, we can slightly apply vacuum pressure from outside to a penis that is already 100% erect, just enough to provide a little expansion of the tunica that will allow for more blood to fill up from inside, creating the same strain pattern that will translate into growth. This very small amount of vacuum pressure will not be enough to create edema and/or discoloration which is a trauma from broken tiny capillaries and melanin deposits.

Of course this is all speculation, as I mentioned before I need to go through many trials before implementing a routine, and then start assessing results session by session. As you pointed out, transference of temperature into all the internal tissues is not necessary with this approach, because the purpose of this exercise is to promote strain in the tunica which is the outer layer of the penis under the dermis. I believe, and again, tests will show, the tunica will perfectly reach therapeutic temperature with heated water.

The water has many benefits, ranging from a barrier for edema prevention, which in this approach will be close to zero, and a better more efficient distribution of heat. Unless we have a heat source that can target the tunica in a 360 degree fashion, heated water becomes the best alternative.

Although as Kyrpa mentioned a heat pad can do the same, the heat pad will not allow me to control temperature unless I remove it or turn it off while watching the thermometer. Or, it could be a pad with thermostat and auto temperature control, but we are talking about more complexity, expenses. The IR lamp I can simply put it closer or further away to control temperature while of course monitoring the water with a thermometer inside.

The pressure change needed for putting an extra volume of blood into CC is never confirmed by anyone.
At minimum we need to past 120mm Hg systolic pressure which is the baseline for the stable full proportion erection.

At this stage what we have reached is significant over pressure at CS.
At the erection stage mentioned earlier the pressure inside the CS can be as low as 1/3 of the CC’s pressure.

So pumpers do overly expand the Glans and CS and therefor the Buck’s fascia having already multiple times the inside pressure at 5 to 7 in HG vacuum.

How much of expansion remains to be reached for main tunica albuginea? Non confirmed.

BTW. Studies with animal models when treating erectile dysfunction suggest that to minimizing the adverse effects the 200mm HG for 10 minutes should be the maximum.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 07-11-2021 at .

People clearly here reading the thread and writing, yet STILL no answers to the questions. Hmmmmmmm.

There are 2 key things need to be addressed:

1. The specifics of the Us Pro 2000 2nd edition that I just talked about above. All of you guys constantly said this is the best device that doesn’t cost 1k+, and how a “continuous” rather than “pulsed” beam is needed, which this device is supposed to have. So why does the booklet for the device say “waveform: pulsed”? Does that mean something else?

2. What materials are ideal to put behind the penis to cause the necessary “bounce” of the wave for proper heating? We should have a comprehensive list. For example Kyrpa, you said a “wood” backdrop is safe and effective. There are lots of others I’m sure people would like to know about; whoever has experience working with a specific material should speak up and this information should listed in a single place. I will do that list work if nobody else will, but it needs to be collected.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
You don’t need to watch anything if using a temperature controlled heat pad. The thermocouple wiring which is usually inside the pad, is now stripped out and put inside the water cylinder.
Put it on and relax with the literature and a cup of tea.

My friend, it all makes sense now. The problem was, I never saw a temperature controlled heat pad lol. By heat pad I understood one of these small square blanket type generic pads that only go on and there rest, good luck. I did not know it existed such a thing as a temperature controlled heat pad. In that case, of course absolutely makes it way easier than an IR lamp.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
The pressure change needed for putting an extra volume of blood into CC is never confirmed by anyone.
At minimum we need to past 120mm Hg systolic pressure which is the baseline for the stable full proportion erection.

At this stage what we have reached is significant over pressure at CS.
At the erection stage mentioned earlier the pressure inside the CS can be as low as 1/3 of the CC’s pressure.

So pumpers do overly expand the Glans and CS and therefor the Buck’s fascia having already multiple times the inside pressure at 5 to 7 in HG vacuum.

How much of expansion remains to be reached for main tunica albuginea? Non confirmed.

BTW. Studies with animal models when treating erectile dysfunction suggest that to minimizing the adverse effects the 200mm HG for 10 minutes should be the maximum.

Great info. I will start researching about tunica right now.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
My friend, it all makes sense now. The problem was, I never saw a temperature controlled heat pad lol. By heat pad I understood one of these small square blanket type generic pads that only go on and there rest, good luck. I did not know it existed such a thing as a temperature controlled heat pad. In that case, of course absolutely makes it way easier than an IR lamp.

Surely there should be models capable of tuning for your application.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Escando
People clearly here reading the thread and writing, yet STILL no answers to the questions. Hmmmmmmm.

These dooshbags aren’t responding to you because they didn’t like your politics in other threads.


From my point of view , THE JEDI ARE EVIL!

Originally Posted by Escando
People clearly here reading the thread and writing, yet STILL no answers to the questions. Hmmmmmmm.

There are 2 key things need to be addressed:

1. The specifics of the Us Pro 2000 2nd edition that I just talked about above. All of you guys constantly said this is the best device that doesn’t cost 1k+, and how a “continuous” rather than “pulsed” beam is needed, which this device is supposed to have. So why does the booklet for the device say “waveform: pulsed”? Does that mean something else?

2. What materials are ideal to put behind the penis to cause the necessary “bounce” of the wave for proper heating? We should have a comprehensive list. For example Kyrpa, you said a “wood” backdrop is safe and effective. There are lots of others I’m sure people would like to know about; whoever has experience working with a specific material should speak up and this information should listed in a single place. I will do that list work if nobody else will, but it needs to be collected.

1. Every ultrasound therapy machine has pulsed waveform in general. It is the nature of the electronics providing the wave format needed to form the alternating voltage piezo electrical transducer needs for operating.

The continuous mode referred is the 100% duty cycle. Putting the waveform out in a continuous fashion.

In your case the H setting which provides the maximum intensity of 1.6w/cm^2 .

The lower settings give out the same waveform but in a pulsed patterns, which are called 50% duty cycle M and 0.8w/cm^
50% on 50% off.

The L mode only having 20% duty cycle, pulsing on 20ms and being off 80ms of the full second cycle.

2. Someone asked if the wood is safe to use as a reflector. Which is fine.

But if you read and understand your reading we are pretty much not after reflectors.
Especially with 1MHz we don’t want it to reflect back. As a opposite we need to have continuity at the boundary of the backing medium and the shaft.

This can be achieved with using materials having similar to flesh, particularly connective tissue acoustic properties. The numbers have explained few times in this thread alone.

The short list is in a top five format.
Water, ultrasound gel pads, ultrasound standoffs, your thigh, silicone rubbers Rocco have listed already.

Now lets sort this out once and for all.
Are you here for trolling purposes?

After you bounced on board in such a demanding fashion it is very hard to decide which is your agenda. Is the grand plan trying to hook us to walk you through as you play us acting ignorant? All because there is no hand in hand guidance you trying to make it happen with such a master plan.

If not do you seriously think you having such a edge that someone would gave you every step on a golden platter after seeing you swiping your dick around with ultrasound transducer as a noobie.

Your buddy fuckface surely is not capable on such a tactics, but you might be.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 07-11-2021 at .
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